Cable - being a rabit fan of Apple, how do you react with the massively growing base of other-wise Apple-fans such as yourself, who are increasingly getting quite pissed at Apple, and are even predicting that "Apple will be the new Microsoft within 10 years" or such things to that effect? I'm sure someone who keeps up on Apple as you do must know exactly what I'm talking about...




I've never heard of this "part throttle" before. Does it just bolt on?

The only ill will I currently hold against Apple is the fact they don't make a good mid range machine that is not all in one.. I would like to see a Mac pro tower type machine, but instead of xeons, I would like to see a core 2 duo or core 2 quad; a full size hard drive or 2, and a freaking upgradeable graphics card... hell SLi would be nice too..

apple is too interested in the bottom line, and I dont blame them, but even though they may sell less of these machines than any others, there are a market for them, and they should do it..

As far as becoming like M$ in ~ 10 years --- We can only pray

I doubt Apple will make the same mistakes, I would like to say they build their business like their computers, and their OS.. ROCK SOLID.

M$ has their hand in too many pots at the same time, and they are losing money in almost everything they do except Software Sales. Also you can tell from a usability standpoint their programmers are suffering from brain damage, or being limited for one reason or another to only making @!#$e software.

All I can say is I work on Windwos more than OSX, and I hate it more and more everyday.. Vista included...

I cant wait for the new ubuntu tho, 14 days till launch, x.org will be integrated.

I don't know of many Apple fans who are really pissed at apple,, sure some iphones were turned into bricks.. but those people violated the EULA.

Leopard should also be out by the end of the month.

Any Mac users "REALLY" creating a stink are probably doing it for "other" reasons.

Cable wrote:

Any Mac users "REALLY" creating a stink are probably doing it for "other" reasons.

Definition of Fanboi-ism and being too close Steve's RDF.

"Apple can do no wrong, if you think otherwise then your stupid,gay,lame,M$ shill"

Jesus Christ, wake up. Steve Job is one of the biggest pricks on the planet. He's the worlds most over paid spokes person.
He doesn't design the product, he doesn't code the product. He gets up there to a bunch of fanboy bloggers spouts off about the new product that is
better than the old product because it fixes the flaws the old one had to begin with.

Gates gives billions away in charity, aids in destroying world health issues, speaks on the behalf social causes and takes an active role in society.
Jobs, gives little, shuns any journalist that disagrees with him, to the point of suing, and the only issue he supports is making more money.

Rock solid OS? Not Steve Jobs. Aesthetic design? Not Steve Jobs.

This is Apple employees. You know what you get with a prick leading a bunch of talented people around? Talented people that eventually realize that they
have other options. And I call already tell you what's going to happen, when Steve realizes his prickness is going to cause everyone to quit, he will step down
and have the board appoint some schlep who will take the fall for his @!#$. See: John Sculley.

Who will then get a bunch of new people in there who will propose some new stupid device that will fail. See: Newton.

There is no one company that is the best. People who consistently change and adapt to things around are the ones that will stay competitive.
By aligning yourself with one OS or brand fanatically, you're just setting yourself up for a brutal awakening when it fails. Apples greatness is cyclical and it's on
an upswing right now.

Emor8t wrote:


"Apple can do no wrong, if you think otherwise then your stupid,gay,lame,M$ shill"

Apple can do wrong, they just rarely do.

Emor8t wrote:
Jesus Christ, wake up. Steve Job is one of the biggest pricks on the planet. He's the worlds most over paid spokes person.
He doesn't design the product, he doesn't code the product. He gets up there to a bunch of fanboy bloggers spouts off about the new product that is
better than the old product because it fixes the flaws the old one had to begin with.

Steve's annual salary is $1 - He only makes money off the profit sharing from stock that he owns - if apple doesn't make money, he doesn't make money.

Emor8t wrote:
Gates gives billions away in charity, aids in destroying world health issues, speaks on the behalf social causes and takes an active role in society.
Jobs, gives little, shuns any journalist that disagrees with him, to the point of suing, and the only issue he supports is making more money.

Their charity #1 isn't very efficient (look it up) they spend money on stupid things... #2 He gets a HELL of a tax write off every year, it would probably cost him more if he didn't have the charity set up.

Emor8t wrote:
Rock solid OS? Not Steve Jobs. Aesthetic design? Not Steve Jobs.

Can you think of a more rock solid OS? and how do you know he isn't in there everyday talking to the programmers and designers and engineers? If he doesn't have anything to do with the success he must have just gotten really lucky that the company turned around after he came back. and he was behind NeXtOS which is what OSX is based on.

Emor8t wrote:
This is Apple employees. You know what you get with a prick leading a bunch of talented people around? Talented people that eventually realize that they
have other options. And I call already tell you what's going to happen, when Steve realizes his prickness is going to cause everyone to quit, he will step down
and have the board appoint some schlep who will take the fall for his @!#$. See: John Sculley.

The biggest 'Macfags' are Employees... get over it. you will not be changing any of our opinions any time soon.

Emor8t wrote:
Who will then get a bunch of new people in there who will propose some new stupid device that will fail. See: Newton.

There is no one company that is the best. People who consistently change and adapt to things around are the ones that will stay competitive.
By aligning yourself with one OS or brand fanatically, you're just setting yourself up for a brutal awakening when it fails. Apples greatness is cyclical and it's on
an upswing right now.

You will be happy to know that they are brining the newton back (it will be slightly larger and way more capable than the iPhone and iPod touch)

Feature to feature and usability the Newton BLEW PALM AWAY, Apple however did not want to make a $99 device at the time.. and MS soon after released their Mobile OS, things happen, people made fun of the cube when it came out, and now they are in museums and still fetching decent money on ebay.

There are a helluva lot more solid OS's than Apple's OS X. Pick a linux distro.

That Steve's annual salary is $1 is a bunch of bull@!#$. So is Warren Buffets. What of it?
That doesn't surpass the fact that he is worth over $4 billion, not including his $3-4 billion in Disney stock.

Mac's are a cult, get over it.

Your opinions won't change no matter what? Not even reality? Wow, so you're all NeoCons?

Apple didn't want to make a $100 device to compete?

You really are a brainwashed fan boy.

Emor8t wrote:There are a helluva lot more solid OS's than Apple's OS X. Pick a linux distro.

So whats more stable UNIX or Linux? Why?

Emor8t wrote:That Steve's annual salary is $1 is a bunch of bull@!#$. So is Warren Buffets. What of it?
That doesn't surpass the fact that he is worth over $4 billion, not including his $3-4 billion in Disney stock.

If you owned stock wouldn't you want to profit from it? - He reinvests as much as he can back into Apple and Disney Because he has faith in the companies.

Emor8t wrote:Mac's are a cult, get over it.

Kool-aid anyone?

Emor8t wrote:Your opinions won't change no matter what? Not even reality? Wow, so you're all NeoCons?

Reality? last time I checked reality says Mac OSX is the Best all around OS BY FAR.

Emor8t wrote:Apple didn't want to make a $100 device to compete?

Net Profit on a $99 device is not very enticing. Now sell 2 million $399 devices with say a net profit of ~$150 each now thats worth the R&D.

Emor8t wrote:You really are a brainwashed fan boy.

Yes, and loving every minute of it... really... Apple.com is my homepage, MacDailyNews.com is my most read site.. I am constantly tweaking / upgrading / playing with / working on my Mac running OSX.

If Apple made an iProstate exam I would so shove it up my ass.

Cable wrote:

Emor8t wrote:Your opinions won't change no matter what? Not even reality? Wow, so you're all NeoCons?

Reality? last time I checked reality says Mac OSX is the Best all around OS BY FAR.
.

um says who?
reality is, osx isnt the best all around by far
linux is, by far, the best os

Well no, the best OSs in the world have names you'd never recognise and cost amounts far too unreasonable for an average user to afford. think SCO, HPUX, Iris.. Most are Unix or unix(ish). Linux is good but because it is open source it has it's flaws. The real down side to the linux community is that it reacts to hardware and is no proactive, therefore your brand new hardware will have to wait for driver support. Free sure is a good price though.

What the best of everything? VMware and a quad core are your friend

PAX


PS: This is what part of the alphabet would look like if Q and R were eliminated
- Mitch Hedberg (RIP)

...waiting for someone to chime in about OS/2...


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Tracer Bullet wrote:

Cable wrote:

Emor8t wrote:Your opinions won't change no matter what? Not even reality? Wow, so you're all NeoCons?

Reality? last time I checked reality says Mac OSX is the Best all around OS BY FAR.
.

um says who?
reality is, osx isnt the best all around by far
linux is, by far, the best os

Linux is great, don't get me wrong, The new Ubuntu ROXXORZ, and the new suse 10.3 looks really good... If MS would stop suing the linux distros maybe they would be even better.
x.org is rockin... I wish osx and windows would adopt some of their features.

ATi just made their driver open source, so you can modify and compile your own modified driver so it might actually work... Linux is great if you are familiar with compiling kernals.

But even the new linuxes just don't have the ease of use and hardware and software compatibility down yet.. getting better but NOT ready for mainstream use.

Reliability goes out the window when you are using linux.. and most corporations don't want to adopt it because for it to be cost effective they would need to go with an open source distro, and if you do that there is no one to sue.. so what happens.. they stick with windows (which completely sucks ass).

Linux has its place, and it has its future. but rock solid it is not.

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MacDailyNews Take: Has not Apple, since its inception, been treated and judged by the media, developers, and corporate IT by an entirely different set of rules than everyone else? Who here hasn't heard the condescending, "Oh, you're one of those, you use a Mac" from someone who's never used a Mac? Perhaps the blind Apple hate exhibited for over two decades by certain members of the media and the corporate IT guys causes a certain reaction? Ya think? To all you Windows PC users that are calm, rational, objective, and fair: god bless you because you've obviously already switched to Mac. Now, could you please give the Mac-ignorant Windows-only PC Cult members a hard kick in the ass? They're making you look bad. And, while you're at it, Get a Mac. We tell you this for your own good.

There's one thing we've found that's markedly different between Mac cultists and Windows PC cultists: The ones on Macs have used Windows (at school or work) and chosen Mac because they believe it is superior, while those extolling Windows over Mac almost always have little or no familiarity with the Macintosh platform. Vocal proponents exist on both sides of the Mac vs. Windows issue, but we totally prefer those who've made an informed choice instead of no choice at all.

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Report: Apple holds 29% share of premium notebook market; 46% when excluding business computers
"Dividing notebook price ranges into fifths, or quintiles as the statisticians call them, Apple already has a 29% share of the U.S. market for notebook computers in the highest quintile — up 'stunningly,' notes analyst Toni Sacconaghi Jr. of Bernstein Research, from 8% three years ago. In the consumer and education market (i.e. excluding business computers), Apple share of the top quintile notebook market is nearly 46%," Phillip Elmer-Dewitt reports for Fortune.

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Hahahaha wrote:Well no, the best OSs in the world have names you'd never recognise and cost amounts far too unreasonable for an average user to afford. think SCO, HPUX, Iris.. Most are Unix or unix(ish). Linux is good but because it is open source it has it's flaws. The real down side to the linux community is that it reacts to hardware and is no proactive, therefore your brand new hardware will have to wait for driver support. Free sure is a good price though.

What the best of everything? VMware and a quad core are your friend

PAX

All the best OS's are based on UNIX you say? hmmmm.... interesting..... (OSX is based on UNIX - (for the slow ones))

Uhh... ALL Operating systems are permutations of UNIX.

You just validated Windows there Nick.




Transeat In Exemplum: Let this stand as the example.

GAM (The Kilted One) wrote:Uhh... ALL Operating systems are permutations of UNIX.

You just validated Windows there Nick.

yah yah... and the pentium pro, II, and III are not RISC with a CISC translator at their core right?

but for real.. what part of the OS is based on unix? other than the TCP/IP stack.. I thought MS stole all their technology from other companies.. are they paying any licensing fees for UNIX?

just do what i do and surf your porn at school or work, then you don't need to worry about viruses on your computer.

Mark O wrote:just do what i do and surf your porn at school or work, then you don't need to worry about viruses on your computer.

Thats like saying "Just go offloading in your Dad's impala, because you don't want to damage your pinto at home"

I would much rather have a WRX that can do anything whenever I want.

I see where you're coming from tho.

"Offloading?" I meant Off-Roading... damn spellcheck... edit??????

Cable wrote:

GAM (The Kilted One) wrote:Uhh... ALL Operating systems are permutations of UNIX.

You just validated Windows there Nick.

yah yah... and the pentium pro, II, and III are not RISC with a CISC translator at their core right?

but for real.. what part of the OS is based on unix? other than the TCP/IP stack.. I thought MS stole all their technology from other companies.. are they paying any licensing fees for UNIX?

Like APPLE steals their trademarks from other companies? Don't get me started on this. You're deviating from what you originally said, good work... you're learning. (The Mixed mode CISC/RISC chips that Intel put out won't respond to RISC calls, and use CISC microcode: They're still CISC for all intents and purposes, but internally they work more like RISC, but not totally RISC.)

Anyhow: DOS is based off of Unix (CP/M but who's counting), and Unix was originally open-sourced from Cal-Tech Berkley. Microsoft ended up reverse engineering Berkley UNIX to make it less esoteric and more streamlined (they were originally trying to make AIX, but that was later), they marketed the product to IBM... la-dee-da. NT is based around a Unix 32bit kernel, with a high-level language that makes it socketable to different processors (like the DEC ALPHA, which was a nice fast setup with 128 MB RAM) basically, it's common upper level application without being dependant on a certain processor assembly language...




Transeat In Exemplum: Let this stand as the example.

GAM (The Kilted One) wrote:Like APPLE steals their trademarks from other companies? Don't get me started on this. You're deviating from what you originally said, good work... you're learning. (The Mixed mode CISC/RISC chips that Intel put out won't respond to RISC calls, and use CISC microcode: They're still CISC for all intents and purposes, but internally they work more like RISC, but not totally RISC.)

So internally it only responds to RISC, and externally it only responds to CISC. Thats what I was saying from the beginning... hehehe

GAM (The Kilted One) wrote:Anyhow: DOS is based off of Unix (CP/M but who's counting), and Unix was originally open-sourced from Cal-Tech Berkley. Microsoft ended up reverse engineering Berkley UNIX to make it less esoteric and more streamlined (they were originally trying to make AIX, but that was later), they marketed the product to IBM... la-dee-da. NT is based around a Unix 32bit kernel, with a high-level language that makes it socketable to different processors (like the DEC ALPHA, which was a nice fast setup with 128 MB RAM) basically, it's common upper level application without being dependant on a certain processor assembly language...

So even Vista... ahh who cares...

Windows suxxorz!!!!!

bai

OSX by default sucks as well. And BTW, OSX does have viruses, AND stability issues (if not tell me why I have 2 friends' Macbooks here with OSX and instability issues? And yes, they don't run anything as an Administrator)

And you had said that Pentiums were RISC... I proved that as folly.

But.. let me quote:

Cable wrote:

here we go again....

the Pentium Pro was all RISC

the Pentium Pro is known as the 'P6'

the Pentium II and Pentium III and core series CPUs are all based on the P6.

at their 'core' the ppro, p2, p3 etc are ALL RISC based with a CISC layer

Hahahaha and I both proved you wrong:
http://www.j-body.org/forums/read.php?f=36&i=41999&t=41999&p=5
http://arstechnica.com/cpu/4q99/risc-cisc/rvc-1.html
http://www.pcguide.com/ref/cpu/fam/g6PPro-c.html

P6 Used a mixed mode, it wasn't true to either technology (it's a hybrid but still uses primarily CISC to cut down on overhead that reduced the efficiency of RISC), but it would only respond to CISC instructions.




Transeat In Exemplum: Let this stand as the example.

GAM (The Kilted One) wrote:OSX by default sucks as well. And BTW, OSX does have viruses, AND stability issues (if not tell me why I have 2 friends' Macbooks here with OSX and instability issues? And yes, they don't run anything as an Administrator)

And you had said that Pentiums were RISC... I proved that as folly.

But.. let me quote:

Cable wrote:

here we go again....

the Pentium Pro was all RISC

the Pentium Pro is known as the 'P6'

the Pentium II and Pentium III and core series CPUs are all based on the P6.

at their 'core' the ppro, p2, p3 etc are ALL RISC based with a CISC layer

Hahahaha and I both proved you wrong:
http://www.j-body.org/forums/read.php?f=36&i=41999&t=41999&p=5
http://arstechnica.com/cpu/4q99/risc-cisc/rvc-1.html
http://www.pcguide.com/ref/cpu/fam/g6PPro-c.html

P6 Used a mixed mode, it wasn't true to either technology (it's a hybrid but still uses primarily CISC to cut down on overhead that reduced the efficiency of RISC), but it would only respond to CISC instructions.

What, how can you question his flawless logic

Cable wrote: Steve Jobs has my babies, APPLE APPLE APPLE.

Cable - since you don't realize that many old school Apple fans are getting pissed(which surprises me since I assume you kept your thumb on the pulse of all things Apple), I found an older(pre-iBrick) article I read a while ago. This is from ilounge.com aka apple fandom.
Customers Ask: Is Apple Going Rotten?

article wrote:Karma. Doing the "right thing." Thinking different. Apple's enlightened approach to building customer loyalty is now famous, generating big headlines every time CEO Steve Jobs takes on Hollywood or the music industry. Attempts to raise iTunes prices? "Greedy." A fight with NBC over revenues? "Give peace a chance." That's Apple, your socially-conscious corporate friend, who does right by you while standing up to big bullies -- sort of like a character from a Pixar movie.

But over the past two weeks, Apple's fans have been grumbling that the company they knew and loved is transforming into another Microsoft, making short-sighted, anti-consumer decisions and carelessly releasing products with user experience-diminishing problems. In response, an increasingly angry erosion of Apple's brand loyalty is beginning, with complaints mounting all over the Internet, including on the company's own discussion forums. This time, it's not just a cadre of Microsoft fans trying to anonymously stir up trouble for the Cupertino-based company, but rather legitimately upset Apple customers who are threatening boycotts of current and future iPod, iTunes, and Mac offerings.

Put aside Apple's $200 iPhone price drop, which generated a lot of anger but was quickly resolved by the company, and bugs in both new iPod and iTunes software, which the company is certainly working to repair. Instead, consider just four of the issues that are still largely unresolved by Apple, and the extreme anger and disappointment that its customers have been expressing as a result.

Here are a few highlights in case you are too lazy to click or something.

Quote:

Apple Breaks 2005-2007 Video Add-Ons: No Warning, Just Buy New Ones

What Happened? Almost any "Made for iPod" accessory you've purchased with video output no longer outputs photos or videos when connected to the new iPods. This impacts in-car, home, and airplane accessories alike.

I think that speaks for itself. But isn't the wide range of iPod accessories the big reason to buy them vs other competing products? Shouldn't one be reasonably able to assume that "iPod compatible" means that it will work with past, current, and future iPods? This is greed, plain and simple.

Quote:

iTunes Store iPod Games: Buy Them Again for New iPods

What Happened? People who purchased any or all of Apple's past "iPod Games" from the iTunes Store have learned that, unlike music and videos, the games must be re-purchased to work on new iPods.

ummm... Can you repeat after me... "GREEDY A$$HOLES!!"

Quote:

iPod touch Screen Problems: Deny Them, Charge Restocking Fees

What Happened? iPod touch units were shipped with defective screens. When readers tried to return them to Apple Stores, employees denied any problems and charged the customers $30-40 restocking fees.

This is clearly a lie. Apple products are PERFECT. Perhaps even "HOLY". They never have flaws. Good thing Apple decided to say "screw you" to anyone who begged to differ.

Quote:

iPhone Ringtones: Pay Twice for Each Song; Forget Using Your Own

What Happened? Rather than letting users play any of their own audio as iPhone ringtones, Apple locked the iPhone's ringtone feature and requires users to buy both full songs and 30-second song snippets from the iTunes Store for $1.98.

also

Quote:

This limitation is entirely artificial: there's no technical reason the iPhone can't ring with, say, your girlfriend or boyfriend's recorded voice, a song you composed yourself, a sound effect from your favorite TV show, or a snippet from your favorite band. Any of all of these items can be played back through your computer, any digital music player, or the iPhone in iPod mode, and they're all routinely offered by average people, bands, and even TV networks as ways to remember them by.
Consequently, the ringtone creation feature, rolled out in iTunes 7.4, was immediately and widely denounced by iPhone owners, and people began to find ways to create their own iPhone-compatible ringtones.

Rather than ignoring the user-created ringtones, Apple has sought to block them, twice patching iTunes 7.4 (versions 7.4.1 and 7.4.2) to prevent users from adding their own legally-created ringtones to the iPhone.

Yes this is mega-greed once again. And all this is from a pro-Apple site and published BEFORE the bricking. Speaking of that...

Cable wrote:sure some iphones were turned into bricks.. but those people violated the EULA.

Umm so? When you buy a product - any product - it is yours to modify as you please. If you want to smash it into the floor or whatever (non-illegal) thing you want to do to it or use it for - that is your business the moment you buy that phone. It is no longer Apple's possession nor anyone else's but the purchaser's. Fact is - many people often did such things with other manufacturer's phones, and despite those companies not liking it and (rightfully) voiding all warranty - those companies took NO ACTION against those customers. Apple, and Apple alone, has took such anti-consumer measures.

Compare that to Micro$haft (as many people like to call it). Modifying XBOX's is also against their EULA, TOS, or whatever. What did "THE EVIL EMPIRE" do about it?! Basically nothing except voiding warranties - and for those XBOXs where modifying was actually detected - they denied the "XBOX live" service(or so I've read - I don't actually own one). While I disagree with that move(and I'm sure the anti-Microsoft crowd cried bloody murder about it too) - the XBOX's themselves remained quite operational - and that by comparison to Apple is very, very generous/lenient. I'm sure if Microsoft wanted to do worse they could(this thing IS a Microsoft product after all, so I'm sure there are 12,957,428 back-door ways to insert and run code unwanted by the end user).

You want to blame the people for wanting to use make a "smart phone" actually useful? That is the whole point to owning such a device. Make it USEFUL to your specific needs!! Don't tell me that you haven't installed any extra software on your Macintosh computers... To rely solely on proprietary software in light of other (often better) options is STUPID. Most of that software was adding extra functionality that the phone itself didn't come with. And of course not everyone wants to be strapped to AT&T's back. Some people (believe it or not) might like to be able to justify their expensive phone purchase by being able to use it worldwide since some people who could use such a phone also happen to need to travel a bit.

Hell, didn't Apple promote the iPhone basically as a minicomputer capable of surfing the Web and playing music and videos etc. Aren't Macintosh users accustomed to using loading up their own computers with various 3rd party programs? So wouldn't it be logical to expect the same out of the iPhone?

You could argue that Apple didn't intentionally brick anyone's phone, and that the bricking is the fault of "unauthorized software" conflicting with apple's official code. And that ignores a few factors.
1. The previous comments directly from Pope Steve Jobs the 1st - talking about plans to do just this - to battle/deter iPhone hackers. So yes that was no accident.
2. It has been widely reported and documented that many iPhones - which have never been hacked/modified in any way, shape, or form - where also bricked. Thank you Micros... I mean Apple... updates!
3. It has also been documented and demonstrated - by the people that write iHacks - that Apple could have VERY EASILY returned all phones to baseline during the update - guaranteeing no software conflicts. That is Apple easily could have done so if it wanted to. But it didn't want to. It's official response is... go buy another iPhone!!
4. To expand on that - Apple could have still (after the fact) offered to restore those bricked phones to baseline operation(minus any 3rd party software of course). This is clearly evidenced by various 3rd party software released that CAN un-brick your iPhone(some of it even will do so concurrently with the most current patch and "claim" to be future-patch-proof). Now if 3rd party developers can do it in their time off... Apple(who built the it and so knows it inside and out) could effortlessly do it better and faster. They could... that is if they weren't just greedy bastards who where solely out to sell more iPhones to people who already bought them.

In fact Apple is facing a lawsuit over their as of late not-so-consumer-friendly tactics. Class action targeting mobile phone locking practices green-lighted.

Yes, like all corporations, Apple is a greedy rat bastard company. Or as one disillusioned Apple fan wrote

Quote:

"We were there when Apple was hurting, we stuck with it, we nursed her back to health, It's our money she has now, and she's turning on us now that she's rich."

Other interesting notes on Apple
1. ATI Graphics May Be at the Root of iMac Freezing Issues So apparently some iMacs have freezing issues. Nah... thats impossible. Apples are perfect machines now and always. It wasn't their fault when iPods got shipped with viruses, and it's not their fault today. /rollNow you can blame it on ATI if you want, but what happened to Apple's QC? Unlike PC's, they don't have that many hardware variations, so why can't they tests this prior to shipping?
2. Security maven: QuickTime flaw threatens PCs, Macs Quicktime is Apple software. Never mind that. This year-old, never patched flaw in their perfect software is most like Microsoft's fault somehow. Trust me... (And yes Macintosh computers ARE vulnerable to this.)
3. The iPhone is toxic, warns Greenpeace So chemicals in the iPhone may cause reproductive harm in Mac-fanboys everywhere... I fail to have any problem with this...

Cable, I wonder how you will continue being an Apple elitist/apologist if they keep up the current trend.




I've never heard of this "part throttle" before. Does it just bolt on?

Oh man this is gonna be FUN!

Bastardking3000 wrote:Cable - since you don't realize that many old school Apple fans are getting pissed(which surprises me since I assume you kept your thumb on the pulse of all things Apple), I found an older(pre-iBrick) article I read a while ago. This is from ilounge.com aka apple fandom.
Customers Ask: Is Apple Going Rotten?

article wrote:Karma. Doing the "right thing." Thinking different. Apple's enlightened approach to building customer loyalty is now famous, generating big headlines every time CEO Steve Jobs takes on Hollywood or the music industry. Attempts to raise iTunes prices? "Greedy." A fight with NBC over revenues? "Give peace a chance." That's Apple, your socially-conscious corporate friend, who does right by you while standing up to big bullies -- sort of like a character from a Pixar movie.

But over the past two weeks, Apple's fans have been grumbling that the company they knew and loved is transforming into another Microsoft, making short-sighted, anti-consumer decisions and carelessly releasing products with user experience-diminishing problems. In response, an increasingly angry erosion of Apple's brand loyalty is beginning, with complaints mounting all over the Internet, including on the company's own discussion forums. This time, it's not just a cadre of Microsoft fans trying to anonymously stir up trouble for the Cupertino-based company, but rather legitimately upset Apple customers who are threatening boycotts of current and future iPod, iTunes, and Mac offerings.

Put aside Apple's $200 iPhone price drop, which generated a lot of anger but was quickly resolved by the company, and bugs in both new iPod and iTunes software, which the company is certainly working to repair. Instead, consider just four of the issues that are still largely unresolved by Apple, and the extreme anger and disappointment that its customers have been expressing as a result.

Here are a few highlights in case you are too lazy to click or something.

Quote:

Apple Breaks 2005-2007 Video Add-Ons: No Warning, Just Buy New Ones

What Happened? Almost any "Made for iPod" accessory you've purchased with video output no longer outputs photos or videos when connected to the new iPods. This impacts in-car, home, and airplane accessories alike.

I think that speaks for itself. But isn't the wide range of iPod accessories the big reason to buy them vs other competing products? Shouldn't one be reasonably able to assume that "iPod compatible" means that it will work with past, current, and future iPods? This is greed, plain and simple.

What is the problem here? does ANY other company guarantee that all the 3rd part products will work with something they havnt even made yet? NO! (not to mention most items still DO work, even though they are not on the compatibility list) are all of your bolt-ons for your cav going to work with a cobalt? some will.

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iTunes Store iPod Games: Buy Them Again for New iPods

What Happened? People who purchased any or all of Apple's past "iPod Games" from the iTunes Store have learned that, unlike music and videos, the games must be re-purchased to work on new iPods. ummm... Can you repeat after me... "GREEDY A$$HOLES!!"

If you buy ANY other game for ANY other platform can you install it twice on 2 computers? No, why would you think you could have it on 2 ipods? also how do you know the API didn't change and they had to rewrite them which costs time and money? ("Apple could have disabled it on the old ipod, but let me use it on my new one." (you say) How do you propose they do that? (I say)

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iPod touch Screen Problems: Deny Them, Charge Restocking Fees

What Happened? iPod touch units were shipped with defective screens. When readers tried to return them to Apple Stores, employees denied any problems and charged the customers $30-40 restocking fees. This is clearly a lie. Apple products are PERFECT. Perhaps even "HOLY". They never have flaws. Good thing Apple decided to say "screw you" to anyone who begged to differ.

uhm, store policy - return = restocking fee (period) they could have exchanged it. "But they were sold out." (you say) "They could have waited and exchanged it in a day or two." (I say) No restocking fee for exchanges.

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iPhone Ringtones: Pay Twice for Each Song; Forget Using Your Own

What Happened? Rather than letting users play any of their own audio as iPhone ringtones, Apple locked the iPhone's ringtone feature and requires users to buy both full songs and 30-second song snippets from the iTunes Store for $1.98. also This limitation is entirely artificial: there's no technical reason the iPhone can't ring with, say, your girlfriend or boyfriend's recorded voice, a song you composed yourself, a sound effect from your favorite TV show, or a snippet from your favorite band. Any of all of these items can be played back through your computer, any digital music player, or the iPhone in iPod mode, and they're all routinely offered by average people, bands, and even TV networks as ways to remember them by.
Consequently, the ringtone creation feature, rolled out in iTunes 7.4, was immediately and widely denounced by iPhone owners, and people began to find ways to create their own iPhone-compatible ringtones.

Rather than ignoring the user-created ringtones, Apple has sought to block them, twice patching iTunes 7.4 (versions 7.4.1 and 7.4.2) to prevent users from adding their own legally-created ringtones to the iPhone. Yes this is mega-greed once again. And all this is from a pro-Apple site and published BEFORE the bricking. Speaking of that...

oh it just gets better!!

most ring tones are $3-$6 from other companies... apple charges $1.99 AND YOU GET THE ENTIRE SONG TOO BOOT (I think this is where you say "I'm Sorry for being such an idiot.") (Apple also lets you cut which part of the song you would like for the ring-tone so it can be very custom)

Again, why do YOU think you deserve things for free? Apple is in the market of making money - they are also in the market of giving you the best DEAL and most flexible options available (and yet you complain) - You know people downloading the latest movies and songs using bittorrent bit*h when the cops show up at their door too.. what are ya gonna do?

Cable wrote:sure some iphones were turned into bricks.. but those people violated the EULA.

Bastardking3000 wrote:Umm so? When you buy a product - any product - it is yours to modify as you please. If you want to smash it into the floor or whatever (non-illegal) thing you want to do to it or use it for - that is your business the moment you buy that phone. It is no longer Apple's possession nor anyone else's but the purchaser's. Fact is - many people often did such things with other manufacturer's phones, and despite those companies not liking it and (rightfully) voiding all warranty - those companies took NO ACTION against those customers. Apple, and Apple alone, has took such anti-consumer measures.

WRONG. Apple owns the intellectual rights to the hardware and software, and they have the obligation to make this and future uses of the product awesome. Deal with it, if you dont want to play in Apple land you shouldn't have gotten an iphone. If you REALLY want to hack and iphone, like I have said before.. BUY TWO. or get a job at apple. I am sure that Tivo, etc. would lock your @!#$ out if they see you messing with their property (how do they know you are not a competitor?) The iphone works, and it is awesome, 3rd part web apps are plentiful, and by december or early 2008, standard 3rd party apps will be available. (and AGAIN, if YOU MUST HACK THE THING BE READY FOR IT TO BE BRICKED JUST BECAUSE THEY CAN, AND FOR 100 OTHER JUSTIFIED REASONS.) I do know alot of people that have smashed other manufactures phones into the floor tho.

Bastardking3000 wrote:Compare that to Micro$haft (as many people like to call it). Modifying XBOX's is also against their EULA, TOS, or whatever. What did "THE EVIL EMPIRE" do about it?! Basically nothing except voiding warranties - and for those XBOXs where modifying was actually detected - they denied the "XBOX live" service(or so I've read - I don't actually own one). While I disagree with that move(and I'm sure the anti-Microsoft crowd cried bloody murder about it too) - the XBOX's themselves remained quite operational - and that by comparison to Apple is very, very generous/lenient. I'm sure if Microsoft wanted to do worse they could(this thing IS a Microsoft product after all, so I'm sure there are 12,957,428 back-door ways to insert and run code unwanted by the end user).

Hack an xbox, and that xbox is PERMABANNED from playing online... no big deal right? M$ doesn't do stuff like that right? Whats that you say? you got the elite xbox, and 1 year of XBOX Live? Sorry buy a new unit, and a new subscription. (remember what I said about buying 2 iphones? most people I know with modded xboxes have 2 OR 3!)

Bastardking3000 wrote:You want to blame the people for wanting to use make a "smart phone" actually useful? That is the whole point to owning such a device. Make it USEFUL to your specific needs!! Don't tell me that you haven't installed any extra software on your Macintosh computers... To rely solely on proprietary software in light of other (often better) options is STUPID. Most of that software was adding extra functionality that the phone itself didn't come with. And of course not everyone wants to be strapped to AT&T's back. Some people (believe it or not) might like to be able to justify their expensive phone purchase by being able to use it worldwide since some people who could use such a phone also happen to need to travel a bit.

The iphone works overseas, and in alot of other countries... call AT&T for details.

Current apps 100% legal to use on iphone today:
216 in total: http://www.apple.com/webapps/
Will Apple Open the iPhone?
An official software-development kit may finally be announced at January's Macworld. Why the wait? It may have something to do with Leopard
http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/oct2007/tc20071015_258257.htm
Doing things right takes time and intelligence.

Bastardking3000 wrote:Hell, didn't Apple promote the iPhone basically as a minicomputer capable of surfing the Web and playing music and videos etc. Aren't Macintosh users accustomed to using loading up their own computers with various 3rd party programs? So wouldn't it be logical to expect the same out of the iPhone?

We do... too bad you dont know what you are talking about

Bastardking3000 wrote:You could argue that Apple didn't intentionally brick anyone's phone, and that the bricking is the fault of "unauthorized software" conflicting with apple's official code. And that ignores a few factors.
1. The previous comments directly from Pope Steve Jobs the 1st - talking about plans to do just this - to battle/deter iPhone hackers. So yes that was no accident.
2. It has been widely reported and documented that many iPhones - which have never been hacked/modified in any way, shape, or form - where also bricked. Thank you Micros... I mean Apple... updates!
3. It has also been documented and demonstrated - by the people that write iHacks - that Apple could have VERY EASILY returned all phones to baseline during the update - guaranteeing no software conflicts. That is Apple easily could have done so if it wanted to. But it didn't want to. It's official response is... go buy another iPhone!!
4. To expand on that - Apple could have still (after the fact) offered to restore those bricked phones to baseline operation(minus any 3rd party software of course). This is clearly evidenced by various 3rd party software released that CAN un-brick your iPhone(some of it even will do so concurrently with the most current patch and "claim" to be future-patch-proof). Now if 3rd party developers can do it in their time off... Apple(who built the it and so knows it inside and out) could effortlessly do it better and faster. They could... that is if they weren't just greedy bastards who where solely out to sell more iPhones to people who already bought them.

What? WHAT?? they DID brick them, they DID do it on purpose, and NO they wont fix it for you, there are ways to fix all the lockouts that apple has done, you are the iphone "hacker" figure it out.. Apple will not be of any assistance, how do they know you didn't modify some of the protected memory with a decompiler, and as soon as they fix it for you they are giving up their source code? (just an example, but again, you are going to have to get over it.. most people didn't hack their iphone anyway.. and the types of hacks that apple actually bricks for are like network hacks, and bootup hacks, not application hacks.. ) 3rd party apps are coming as soon as Apple can guarantee they will not be able to cause any problems, they dont want to have the reputation that Palm has.. install a handfull of apps, and bam, your phone reboots every 20 minutes... AWESOME. You are dealing with a world changing revolutionary product that was and will continue to be made correctly.. you will have to wait.. sorry.. you could always use your.. oh wait there is nothing better right now anyway.

Bastardking3000 wrote:In fact Apple is facing a lawsuit over their as of late not-so-consumer-friendly tactics. Class action targeting mobile phone locking practices green-lighted.

That suit will be LAUGHED out of court.. mark my words.

Bastardking3000 wrote:Yes, like all corporations, Apple is a greedy rat bastard company. Or as one disillusioned Apple fan wrote

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"We were there when Apple was hurting, we stuck with it, we nursed her back to health, It's our money she has now, and she's turning on us now that she's rich."

News flash. Apple is a corporation in a capitalist soceity. Its job is to make its shareholders MONEY.

Bastardking3000 wrote:Other interesting notes on Apple
1. ATI Graphics May Be at the Root of iMac Freezing Issues So apparently some iMacs have freezing issues. Nah... thats impossible. Apples are perfect machines now and always.

only the brand new 24" models from what I have heard.. and a fix is coming, the product has been out for about a month.

I do hate ATi tho.. I wish they would use more nVidia stuff.. I think that particular chip was more efficient than nVidia's offerings.

Bastardking3000 wrote:It wasn't their fault when iPods got shipped with viruses, and it's not their fault today. /rollNow you can blame it on ATI if you want, but what happened to Apple's QC? Unlike PC's, they don't have that many hardware variations, so why can't they tests this prior to shipping?

one of their manufacturing facilities in china was using a WINDOWS PC for final configuration of ONE BATCH of ipods about a year ago, that machine was infected with a virus that spread itself to any portable media plugged into the machine, #1 the virus was a windows virus, #2 apple fixed the problem, I dont know if they told the guy running the line he couldn't look at porn anymore or if the upgraded the machine to a mac but wither way.. fixed.

Bastardking3000 wrote:2. Security maven: QuickTime flaw threatens PCs, Macs Quicktime is Apple software. Never mind that. This year-old, never patched flaw in their perfect software is most like Microsoft's fault somehow. Trust me... (And yes Macintosh computers ARE vulnerable to this.)

by vulnerable you mean if I am running firefox (I use safari), and open an infected quicktime page it will attempt to do something to my computer that requires me to enter my password? I am shakin in my boots.. I would love to see the proof of this one.
btw.. 7/8 of the articles on theregister are BS! its a joke site for the most part... for real.. try to get facts on ANY of their stories.. they are ALL BS. as soon as I see theregister in the url I first laugh, and secondly dont click on it because its CRAP.
Why dont you know this?
really? theregister?? HAHAHAAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!!!!! theregister...? you are such teh newb

Bastardking3000 wrote:3. The iPhone is toxic, warns Greenpeace So chemicals in the iPhone may cause reproductive harm in Mac-fanboys everywhere... I fail to have any problem with this...

I have news for you.... greenpeace lies... I challenge you to find evidence of their claims from any other source. either way, dont eat the iphone and you will be fine.

Bastardking3000 wrote:Cable, I wonder how you will continue being an Apple elitist/apologist if they keep up the current trend.

Apple: Mac OS X Leopard leaps October 26; Everyone gets ‘Ultimate’ version for just $129

Apple today announced that Mac OS X Leopard will go on sale Friday, October 26 at 6pm at Apple's retail stores and Apple Authorized Resellers, and that Apple's online store is now accepting pre-orders.

Leopard is packed with more than 300 new features and introduces a brand new desktop with Stacks, a new way to easily access files from the Dock; a redesigned Finder that lets users quickly browse and share files between multiple Macs; Quick Look, a new way to instantly see files without opening an application; Spaces, an intuitive new feature used to create groups of applications and instantly switch between them; and Time Machine, an effortless way to automatically back up everything on a Mac.

"Leopard, the sixth major release of Mac OS X, is the best upgrade we've ever released," said Steve Jobs, Apple's CEO, in the press release. "And everyone gets the 'Ultimate' version, packed with all the new innovative features, for just $129."

Leopard's new desktop includes the redesigned 3D Dock with Stacks, a new way to organize files for quick and easy access with just one click. Leopard automatically places web, email and other downloads in a Downloads stack to maintain a clutter-free desktop, and users can instantly fan the contents of this and other Stacks into an elegant arc right from the Dock. Users can also create their own Stacks for quick access to folders, documents or applications. Leopard's gorgeous new look extends to all applications, with every window on the desktop offering a consistent design theme and active windows outlined by deeper shadows that make them stand out.

The updated Finder includes Cover Flow and a new sidebar with a dramatically simplified way to search for, browse and copy content from any PC or Mac on a local network. Content on any computer on a local network can now be searched using Spotlight, browsed using Cover Flow or copied across the network with a simple drag and drop. .Mac members can use the new Back to My Mac feature to browse and access files on their remote Macs over the Internet.

Quick Look is the fastest and easiest way for users to look inside files without launching them or even having the application that created them. With Quick Look, users can instantly view full-screen, high-resolution files of virtually anything, even media files, from any view in the Finder.

Spaces gives users a powerful new way to organize their work by creating customized desktops which can contain only those applications or documents needed for each project, with the ability to quickly switch between Spaces with the mouse or keyboard.

Time Machine lets users easily back up all of the data on their Mac, find lost files and even restore all of the software on their Mac. With just a one-click setup, Time Machine automatically keeps an up-to-date copy of everything on the Mac. In the event a file is lost, users can search back through time to find deleted files, applications, photos and other digital media and then instantly restore the file. If it's ever necessary, Leopard can also easily restore an entire system from the Time Machine data on an external drive.

Mail has been updated in Leopard and features more than 30 stationery designs and layouts that look great on a Windows PC or Mac so users can easily send stylish, personalized emails with beautiful graphics and photos. Notes and To Dos help users stay organized by acting just like emails that can be easily created, saved as drafts, synced across multiple Macs and stored in Smart Mailboxes. Data detectors automatically sense phone numbers, addresses and events so they can be added to Address Book or iCal with just a few clicks, and users can keep up-to-date by getting the latest news and blog feeds delivered directly to the their mailboxes with a built-in RSS reader.

iChat, the easiest-to-use video conferencing application on any personal computer, offers even richer video chats in Leopard with iChat Theater, which makes it easy to show photos, presentations, videos or files in a video conference; screen sharing which lets users remotely view and operate another Mac; and Photo Booth effects for fun distortions and video backdrops that can instantly make users appear to be anywhere they choose.

Other new features in Leopard include:
• improved Parental Controls, aiding parents in managing their kids' online activities with automatic identification of unsuitable content before allowing website access, plus time limits and activity logs that can be accessed from any Mac on a home network
• the complete Boot Camp release, previously available only as a beta, making it possible to run Windows natively on Intel-based Macs?• Web Clip, bringing anything that a user wants from a web page to Dashboard as a live widget
• new Photo Booth features, helping users create animated iChat buddy icons or fun effects and backdrops with still or video images
• an enhanced Dictionary with Wikipedia built in, allowing users to access up to date information on virtually any subject in a snap
• a newly updated iCal with multi-user calendaring based on the new CalDAV standard
• an updated version of Front Row, making it even easier to play music or watch movies, TV shows and photos on a Mac using the Apple Remote.

Mac OS X version 10.5 Leopard will be available on October 26 at Apple's retail stores and through Apple Authorized Resellers for a suggested retail price of US$129 for a single user license, and online pre-orders can be made through Apple's online store starting today. The Mac OS X Leopard Family Pack is a single-household, five-user license that will be available for a suggested retail price of $199. Volume and maintenance pricing is available from Apple. The standard Mac OS Up-To-Date upgrade package is available to all customers who purchased a qualifying new Mac system from Apple or an Apple Authorized Reseller on or after October 1, 2007 for a shipping and handling fee of $9.95. Leopard requires a minimum of 512MB of RAM and is designed to run on any Macintosh computer with an Intel, PowerPC G5 or G4 (867 Mhz or faster) processor.

Full system requirements can be found at http://www.apple.com/macosx/techspecs??Pre-order Mac OS X Leopard now from the Apple Store. Just $129. Free Shipping.

lol @ capitalism.

When MS does that stuff they are being greedy, when Apple does it, it's to appease their shareholders. Is one really better than the other. Apple has a much bigger customer
base than share holders.

Apple raised the price of educational copies of OS X. Microsoft lowered their educational copies of Office. Tell me what's more greedy? Not to mention stupid.
Apple: I know, let's piss off the people who are most likely to get pirated copies of our OS and software!

And no, before you even attempt to say it, OS X is not pirate-proof, Project OSX86, is one good example of this.

(sigh) I could rebuttal everything you just said Cable, but what is the point? You missed the point on most all of what I posted, and managed to spin the rest in ways that would make most politicians uncomfortable. So this is what it's like to live in complete denial...

It is pointless to try to give facts to someone who only can see iFacts in all things. In reference to you - I give up. Steve Jobs could savagely beat you and your mother with a baseball bat - and your response would be that you two probably deserved it.

If someone else wants to have a even slightly logical debate about Apple, I'd welcome it.




I've never heard of this "part throttle" before. Does it just bolt on?

can i play half-life 2 in leopard?

awwwwww...... nope.

mac FTL.