Here's my take on creationism;
I'm a church-going catholic and I believe in evolution. Why? because I've read about it, I've gone to museums and have seen fossils and monkeys kinda look like us
But I have a God approach to it that I'm sure some people will yell at me for, so be it. I believe that God made the universe and made evolution possible. Why does evolution and intelligent design have to be mutually-exclusive? Couldn't God have designed life to start out as a single cell amoeba, work there way to a little fish, crawl out of the water to avoid enemies, grow feet, and eventually evolve into Steven Colbert? I have no problem at all with the scenario. I believe the God has his hand in all the evolutionary changes in all lifeforms. People seem to forget that we're talking about God, he doesn't work with the same rules as you and I so he can do 5 million things at once.
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Jarret, you slightly mistook me, and i didn't make myself clear.
My point was that my take on the article says that anything that is *not christian* is pagan. Well, ask yourself:
What sect of christianity is the end-all-beat-all litimus, since i'd put money on saying that ALL of the sects of christianity now have strayed considerably from the original teachings of christ?
How can you define Paganism, which it's definition is more broad than the comibination of Bill Clinton and Rush Limbaugh's waistline? Moreso, how can you assume that every pagan out there believes in creationism?
We don't. Some do, some don't.
Further, the common thread really is just the holidays, which shows you the power of marketing. Since observances can be changed to quell the great unwashed, i don't look at those as a common thread because it's impossible to say what days Easter, Chrit's birth, and the All Hallows Even days *really* are supposed to be, and how they relate to the many Fall, Spring, and Winter celebrations of the Pagan realm.
In other words, You can say that Constantine and the other Christian leaders change the religion to suit their needs....
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KOTL, I was just bringing up the pagan influence in modern day Christianity, and where it stems from. that's all buddy. I'm well aware that there is no finite definition of "paganism" these days. most people would define paganism as "anything not Christian". it really depends on the person you ask.
my mother, sister, and several family friends are pagan (a couple are considered more Wiccan than anything). they observe official pagan holidays, perform wiccan rituals (I'm still waiting for them to bring the virgins over... my mom says that they don't use virgins... I'm still holding out), etc.
I've just been learning quite a bit about religion lately, and it is funny how a majority of the masses read into their respective religion how they want, to fit their needs. (My ex's mom, supposedly orthodox Catholic, divorced 5 times. my ex... 12 tattoos, 14 piercings... go figure.)
my take on it is that today's teachings of Christianity is a bastardization of the original teachings as well. however, the complexities of society today, compared to then, seem to warrant it. since there was no world economy, trade, war, etc. on the scale that there is today, what else was "the church" going to do?
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zero wrote:Here's my take on creationism;
I'm a church-going catholic and I believe in evolution. Why? because I've read about it, I've gone to museums and have seen fossils and monkeys kinda look like us But I have a God approach to it that I'm sure some people will yell at me for, so be it. I believe that God made the universe and made evolution possible. Why does evolution and intelligent design have to be mutually-exclusive? Couldn't God have designed life to start out as a single cell amoeba, work there way to a little fish, crawl out of the water to avoid enemies, grow feet, and eventually evolve into Steven Colbert? I have no problem at all with the scenario. I believe the God has his hand in all the evolutionary changes in all lifeforms. People seem to forget that we're talking about God, he doesn't work with the same rules as you and I so he can do 5 million things at once.
The official stance of the church has been that God "planted the seeds of life" in a created evolutionary model, for over 1700 years. You are not at all in conflict with dogma, in fact you are in line with it. Since before 300AD the church has supported the idea of "created evolution". It fits with both science and the written record, the two where never opposed. The church knew about and acknowledged evolution more than 1000 years before Darwin.
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Ideally, Jarret, not organize, since most of the problems that have religion as their root seem to stem form it being organized and the fallacy that someone can tell someone else what to believe. This could be easily ended by outlawing organized religion...
...But rational thought never solved anything
Seriously, I tink the would would be a better place spitual-wise if people stopped listening to people wearing funny hats and funny clothes trying to hawk salvation like a carnie (read: Canrivangelist), and listened to what their own soul had to say, and followed it.
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[quote=Keeper of the Light™]Seriously, I tink the would would be a better place spitual-wise if people stopped listening to people wearing funny hats and funny clothes trying to hawk salvation like a carnie (read: Canrivangelist), and listened to what their own soul had to say, and followed it.
Got that right. And maybe if people would stop fighting so-called "holy wars" we wouldn't have half of the problems our society faces as a whole. It's disturbing when massive armies justify the deaths of millions on the basis that God commands it.
I find it funny how mankind is so curious about everything.. space, oceans, cloning, etc... but the mass majority are spoon-fed by organized religion, and take it as face value.
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