^^^and you don't think Al-Jazeera puts a spin on it? If you belive that, i have a few million gallons of dehydrated water i'd like to sell you.
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RaiLS wrote:but the whole point of the news is to inform the public of what is going on in the world and letting them make their own decision
Wrong - the whole point of news is to get the largest ratings possible while avoiding important issues as much as possible(unless it gets big ratings of course). No reason to rock the cradle without financial reward of course. That is the modern state of American televised media.
As others have said - and as Jon Stewart has several times pointed out - the Daily Show is sadly the best source of televised news in America - and it is supposed to be pure satirical and fake news - sad but true. The Colbert Report is also awesome(Jon Stewart writes for it too) - Steven Colbert is awesome at representing the majorly overboard conservatives(Ann Coultier etc) - and making them look stupid by exagerating the modern conservative stance and acting serious about it. Of course in a few years (after liberals will most likely take power), we're gonna need a comedian to do the same to liberals (especially if liberals go nearly as overboard - as conservatives have these past several years). Haha.
And no JB4C(or any other mega conservatives), the news today is not liberalized at all - they are scared to even say anything negative about a conservative politician/policy - even if it is 100% percent true - because if they do then that makes them the "liberal media." Sad thing is - if the media gives you anything resembling the truth, in fact ANYTHING EXCEPT
extremeright wing(moderate conservative now equals liberal) talking points - they are slammed as being liberal. No today we just have the mainly conservative media, and then there is also the ridiculously conservative media aka FOX "NEWS." If the non-Fox media still seems liberal to you, then YOU ARE WAY TOO CONSERVATIVE!! Of course a intelligent sane person would not subscribe much to either political philosophy.
And one more thing JB4C - CONSERVATIVE IS NOT the "Christian party." Not even close. The more politically vocal Christians in the USA just happen to be mostly Conservative, so don't read too much into that. The conservative philosophy borrows only selective Christian elements while ignoring/excluding other elements. Democrats, while not pretending to be religiously based, actually tend to follow Jesus's message about caring for others(especially the
meek of the Earth) - better than Republicans do - for example. Also note that God does not say - "Thou shall have no national healthcare" etc. Neither party fully embraces the actual teachings of Jesus Christ - remember that.
Many people need to drop the Conservative vs Liberal mentality - because the reality is more like this -
Liberal vs
Sanity vs
Conservative.
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note here that sanity is being double teamed from the left and the right - which is pretty much true to life.
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I've never heard of this "part throttle" before. Does it just bolt on?
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I was wondering what was taking you so long to chime in. Haven't heard from you in a while. Welcome back.
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the news today is not liberalized at all - they are scared to even say anything negative about a conservative politician/policy - even if it is 100% percent true - because if they do then that makes them the "liberal media."
I am not quite sure I buy that either. It seems to be that it's one side or the other. Reverse from the crap Fox puts out, there is just the flip on other TV shows. The liberal side just jumps to slam the Prez for anything and everything that goes wrong in this country. Granted, he is to blame for a bunch of problems, but you would think he actually conjured up hurricaine Katrina himself to wipe out the black population in "Nah-Oullins".
I just have a general distrust of all media sources. I think I am going to try and stick on print, as GAM pointed out, when I get back. I can't exactly pick up the local gazette out here though. The only print I get my hands on is the Army Times.
Either way, I am going to go out and enjoy a nice cigar and clear my head from the day's worth of misinformation that I have been fed.
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Bastardking3000 wrote:RaiLS wrote:but the whole point of the news is to inform the public of what is going on in the world and letting them make their own decision
Wrong - the whole point of news is to get the largest ratings possible while avoiding important issues as much as possible(unless it gets big ratings of course). No reason to rock the cradle without financial reward of course. That is the modern state of American televised media.
As others have said - and as Jon Stewart has several times pointed out - the Daily Show is sadly the best source of televised news in America - and it is supposed to be pure satirical and fake news - sad but true. The Colbert Report is also awesome(Jon Stewart writes for it too) - Steven Colbert is awesome at representing the majorly overboard conservatives(Ann Coultier etc) - and making them look stupid by exagerating the modern conservative stance and acting serious about it. Of course in a few years (after liberals will most likely take power), we're gonna need a comedian to do the same to liberals (especially if liberals go nearly as overboard - as conservatives have these past several years). Haha.
And no JB4C(or any other mega conservatives), the news today is not liberalized at all - they are scared to even say anything negative about a conservative politician/policy - even if it is 100% percent true - because if they do then that makes them the "liberal media." Sad thing is - if the media gives you anything resembling the truth, in fact ANYTHING EXCEPT extremeright wing(moderate conservative now equals liberal) talking points - they are slammed as being liberal. No today we just have the mainly conservative media, and then there is also the ridiculously conservative media aka FOX "NEWS." If the non-Fox media still seems liberal to you, then YOU ARE WAY TOO CONSERVATIVE!! Of course a intelligent sane person would not subscribe much to either political philosophy.
And one more thing JB4C - CONSERVATIVE IS NOT the "Christian party." Not even close. The more politically vocal Christians in the USA just happen to be mostly Conservative, so don't read too much into that. The conservative philosophy borrows only selective Christian elements while ignoring/excluding other elements. Democrats, while not pretending to be religiously based, actually tend to follow Jesus's message about caring for others(especially the meek of the Earth) - better than Republicans do - for example. Also note that God does not say - "Thou shall have no national healthcare" etc. Neither party fully embraces the actual teachings of Jesus Christ - remember that.
Many people need to drop the Conservative vs Liberal mentality - because the reality is more like this -
Liberal vs Sanity vs Conservative.
/\ /\ /\ /\ /\ /\ /\ /\ /\ /\ /\
note here that sanity is being double teamed from the left and the right - which is pretty much true to life.
.
I think Colbert gives a fair shake to both Conservatives and Liberals.
A lot of times he has liberal guests and he just makes them look utterly stupid. Like Robert Kennedy Jr. IIRC, talked about Bush stealing Ohio, and the way he went about accusing Bush about this was just obserd, but thats another thread. and his response was..
"So was it easier for Bush to steal Ohio in 2004, or for your uncle to steal Indiana?"
And there are many other examples, but that one made me shoot beer out of my nose (worse thing ever)
I think what The Colbert Report and to a lesser extent the Daily Show acheive is exposing the over sensationalism, a sort of Prozium for the media (anyone catch that refernce?)
I wrote this post a long time ago, a real long time ago, back in 94.
Emor8t: He's equally biting I think you mean
I don't usually get home to watch TV in time to watch Jon Stewart or Steven Colbert (or I'm doing something productive otherwise) so I missed the reference.
RaiLS: if you can get around to it, look for Reuters or AP News. They're pretty much the defacto news organisations (on line that is), and leave political editorial aside infavor of just reporting the events. They don't employ an editorial (ie subjective writing) staff, but they do edit for length, spelling, etc.
http://hosted.ap.org/
http://today.reuters.com/news/home.aspx
I have to agree that because the news media is supposed to report information on happenings, and possibly contextualise it minimally within a greater frame, some organisations leave that ideal by the wayside. I'm not going to say that it's right or wrong, but it sells. It's definitely not fair, or balanced, and Fox tends to treat "objectivity" as a word in the dictionary and one best avoided at that. I'm really not at all surprised since I found out Rupert Murdoch (read: HEAVY Repbulican National Committee contributor, and the guy who recommended Carl Rove to the Bush Campaign) owns Fox and News Corporation.
CNN/MSNBC, and other news outlets are good for headline news, and maybe reporting a little more in-depth, but they resist going deeper, because of the time factor (most adults have a 12 minute attention span, which would explain why my WF posts usually get glossed over
), and that they don't want to rock the boat too much. Other times, you have to literally read a BOOK on the matter because there is just that much material. News is meant to be short, curt, and to the point... leave the broader picture to the individual or a news "magazine" type show.
Transeat In Exemplum: Let this stand as the example.
[quote=Keeper of the Light™]^^^and you don't think Al-Jazeera puts a spin on it? If you belive that, i have a few million gallons of dehydrated water i'd like to sell you.
No, I know that they do, but it's not the same spin as here in the US.
There arn't the same "parties" over there.
Al-Jazzera gets a bad name becuase it's one of the few independent news stations in the Middle East, so they are the only ones who put out bin Laden tapes. It's an "audience participation" news station, people can call in, they put everyone on the air, Arab and Israeli.
I just find that they cover the international stories a tad bit better than some of the state-side news orginizations. Not so left or right wing biased as the news here.
Adam: Fox isn't just conservative, their journalistic impartiality is non-existant. I also find their "Fair and Balanced" idea to be at best suspect, at worst, a complete sham to placate people that want something unabashedly biased.
Seriously, if you want to find out what exactly they are about, read the book I keep plugging (because it's from a former Republican strategist, and someone who is basically sick of seeing things warped so badly)
The Republican Noise Machine - David Brock.
Seriously, they played the Katrina debacle like it was a minor problem (with the exception of Geraldo Rivera, who's stunning and impeccable news credentials compelled him to startle yound children when he was on air, but not actually DO anything about the crisis), the ports deal debacle was dealt with similar kid gloves, and Cheney's adventures as the Great White Hunter were given parenthetical mention.
That's not Conservative slant... That's out and out bias in favor of Conservatives. Er go, there's no objectivity, no impartiality, and context is nonexistant.
As for Al-Jazeera: it is independant in that its not state-sponsored, but it's not shown everywhere in the middle east, mainly because it shows women without scarves covering their heads, men that are apostates and allows women to enter debatesas full and active participants. They're also pretty neutral when it comes to reporting events, they don't represent a political party: Fox could take a lesson or 30.
There are lots of good NEWS sources, and Fox isn't one of them.
Transeat In Exemplum: Let this stand as the example.
GAM: Rent Equilibrium, its a matrix knock off, i caught a bit of it the other day on TV. Sensory OFFENSE, SENSORY OFFENSE!
Some of its ok, some parts I thought were rather commical.
I wrote this post a long time ago, a real long time ago, back in 94.
^^Emor8t...that sounds like Max Headroom....
And adam, even if it is MORE balanced, it's still not 100%. Granted, unless you're there you won't get 100%, but the more sources the better. Hell, for the middle east situation you pull a news source from London, US, Canada, "western" europe, "eastern" europe, and Asia and you might have a fairly good sense about what's spin and what's not--the biases cancel.
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The only thing every single person from every single walk of life on earth can truly say
they have in common is that their country is run by a bunch of fargin iceholes.
Definatly this KOTL. The only IMDB for Max Headroom I got was a old tv show.
I wrote this post a long time ago, a real long time ago, back in 94.
I was referring to the old TV show...
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The only thing every single person from every single walk of life on earth can truly say
they have in common is that their country is run by a bunch of fargin iceholes.
I want to add my two cents in this thread. First off I am rather impressed a two paged thread had actually been on topic longer then two pages.
Now as far as the media, after I have take a few Communication and PS course I definitely have a wider view of all media just how unbalanced they are. I suggest watching Control Room and OutFoxed both independent movies covering media.
I like others in this thread get my news from AP, Reuters, DrudgeReport ( I know it is biased but it also links to the AP and others).
One thing I have to note when you read ANY local paper about 60 percent of national new is not writen by your local media. It is the AP. Even CNN uses the AP on most of it's stories. Look next time at the very bottom or top of what your reading and it will say who/where it was writen.
http://www.breitbart.com/
Brings all the sites together.
Oh I love getting news at least a day before it hits the local or even the morning DJs, kinda makes you smarter then they are. I only watch my local new for weather and sports, I really could careless that a dog or a 6 month old dialed 911 to save Timmy from the well.
Well Keeper pretty much said everything i was going to. The only way your going to even come close to getting good news is to read as many different articles from different areas of the world. And for the people that believe certain agencies arent biased, give me a break. All news agencies have a bias, I try to listen NPR, Conservative radio, read foreign articles and watch the tube to get my info and i still have trouble believing some of the stories they all report on. Keeper well most of the time I disagree w/ ya but you hit this thread right on the head. Oh yeah one site to check out for good stories is the
Drudge Report
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