dodge 2.2/2.5 4 cylinder. turbo and/or n/a. hot rod magazine as well as other magazines and car enthusiast polls rates this the best, most fun, and easiest engine to modify in america. where else can u run 10's on a daily driven reliable 4 banger fo under 2 grand? my point exactly. it's mopar or no car. mest w/ the best and die like the rest. case closed. no further questions your honor.


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4G63=FTW!!

Nothing beats an engine, that in turbo form, can place a whuppin' on Mustangs, F-Bodies, and Corvettes. And this is with a few bolt-ons. Where else can you get a $1000 car, that with another $3k, you can easily make into a 12 sec car, that is reliable!!

I bought my 91 Talon TSi. front wheel drive, for $500 dollars. I put another $1500 into it, getting it running correctly, and tuning it. I took it to the track and ran a 12.9 @ 107mph. Front wheel drive! Torque steering, traction limited, 12.9 sec quarter mile.

Try that with any other 4 cylinder, and keep it reliable.

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4G63=FTW!!

Nothing beats an engine, that in turbo form, can place a whuppin' on Mustangs, F-Bodies, and Corvettes. And this is with a few bolt-ons. Where else can you get a $1000 car, that with another $3k, you can easily make into a 12 sec car, that is reliable!!

I bought my 91 Talon TSi. front wheel drive, for $500 dollars. I put another $1500 into it, getting it running correctly, and tuning it. I took it to the track and ran a 12.9 @ 107mph. Front wheel drive! Torque steering, traction limited, 12.9 sec quarter mile.

Try that with any other 4 cylinder, and keep it reliable.

uuummmm you need to read my post and get educated cause your lil mitsu 4g63 just don't cut it as far as reliability issues are concerned. you wanna tell me that a 4g63 can be made faster, stronger, and more reliable for less money than the 2.2/2.5 turbo dodge?


People say that what doesn't kill you in this life
will make you stronger. I'm not sure if that is true
or not, but i do know one thing-You have to learn from
it and it has to make you better.......it has to.......

Daily driven 450HP 4G63T are not rare. Top HP I've heard is about 850HP, just insanity.

They are reliable, just do your maintenence. The turbo dodge engines are good, that's true, but who helped them design.. That's right, they're Mitsu too, just made buy chyco instead of Mitsu. The original deal way back with Mitsu was just for 4 cyl. engine designs. Sorry man, fact of life.

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Daily driven 450HP 4G63T are not rare. Top HP I've heard is about 850HP, just insanity.

They are reliable, just do your maintenence. The turbo dodge engines are good, that's true, but who helped them design.. That's right, they're Mitsu too, just made buy chyco instead of Mitsu. The original deal way back with Mitsu was just for 4 cyl. engine designs. Sorry man, fact of life.

well what you said is true. mitsu did help dodge design the engine and supplied dodge w/ an a$$load of turbochargers, however the 4g63/t and mopars 2.2/2.5 are still two completely designed engines. and where else can you run 12 sec 1/4's for under 1500.00 w/out touching the bottom end on a 4 banger? thats my point. i was only talking $hit earlier when i mentioned about the 4g63 being an unreliable engine, because it is in a way. how ever the no. 1 spot for reliability and cheep speed still and always will go to...........


People say that what doesn't kill you in this life
will make you stronger. I'm not sure if that is true
or not, but i do know one thing-You have to learn from
it and it has to make you better.......it has to.......

strohlly7 wrote:

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Daily driven 450HP 4G63T are not rare. Top HP I've heard is about 850HP, just insanity.

They are reliable, just do your maintenence. The turbo dodge engines are good, that's true, but who helped them design.. That's right, they're Mitsu too, just made buy chyco instead of Mitsu. The original deal way back with Mitsu was just for 4 cyl. engine designs. Sorry man, fact of life.

well what you said is true. mitsu did help dodge design the engine and supplied dodge w/ an a$$load of turbochargers, however the 4g63/t and mopars 2.2/2.5 are still two completely designed engines. and where else can you run 12 sec 1/4's for under 1500.00 w/out touching the bottom end on a 4 banger? thats my point. i was only talking $hit earlier when i mentioned about the 4g63 being an unreliable engine, because it is in a way. how ever the no. 1 spot for reliability and cheep speed still and always will go to...........

Absolutely!!

I know for a FACT that the Dodge engine cannot handle more than 250whp from the factory, save maybe the 2.2L 16 valve.

The 4G63T can reliably handle 400 whp on a stock bottom end. Many have done it. I have a lot of respect for the Turbo Dodges, especially after being smoked at the track by a low 12 sec Turbo Caravan, but there is no way that the stock bottom ends of the 2.2/2.5 can handle that, reliably.

I have a 2G Talon with a 91 6 Bolt swap. It has a stock rebuilt bottom end, and I reliably make over 300whp on pump gas all day long, and I know it can handle more. The only mod that is planned for that engine is a set of ARP Head Stubs so I can throw more boost at it. :-)

Only other 4 cyl that I can give crazy repect for is the EcoTec. I drool everytime I see the Solstice GXP.

the best 4 cyl in my opinion is the B-series motors from Honda.

Well, well well...

Lotsa good responses and I learned quite a bit here.

The Ecotec was a big favorite. Other names that kept popping up were Mitsu 4G63 , Dodge 2.2/2.5, Toyota 22R, Honda 1.6/1.8, VW Air Cooled and my own choice of the Ford 2.3 Lima engine.

Reliability in my mind is a strong factor, but not ULTIMATE reliability. I'd rather go fast than drive a tank you know? At the same time I'd like the engine to survive a good pain free 50-75k after a buildup. So you don't want the equivalent of a racehorse geeked on speed either.

The Mitsu seems to win for top potential in a street-ish combo. Next (always in my own opinion) is the Ford 2.3 Lima and the Dodge 2.2/2.5 with the advantage to Ford because it's a RWD design and fits in a Mustang. Next is Honda with the B-series engine which provides less top power than all of the above but MASSIVE reliability. The VW gets some love for it's simplicity and cheapness and lego-like ease of build. Finally the Toyota 22R gets a shout-out for it's indestructibilty but a few boos for a total and complete lack of power, lack of potential and fuel economy that can bested by a Corvette LT1.

There were other names dropped as well but these were the ones that struck me.

With this in mind the following would be a wise choise for someone wanting to build something fast and cheap:

1990-97 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX/Plymouth Laser RS Turbo/Eagle Talon TSi (Need I say that AWD models are preffered?)
1979-86 Ford Mustang/Mercury Capri 2.3 Turbo models (ALL 1979-93 Mustangs can be had with the N/A 2.3, which can be modded)
1984-89 Merkur XR4Ti
1984-88 Ford Thunderbird Turbocoupe/Mercury Cougar XR7 (1984-86)
1983-92 Dodge/Chrysler FWD Turbo cars and vans (too many to list)
1993-06 Honda Civic/Acura Integra (1988-01)/Acura RSX (01-06)

DSM hands down, they break alot but thats anything that makes power.


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i'm not too familiar w/ the ecotec breed at all but i have heard many good things about the motor.


People say that what doesn't kill you in this life
will make you stronger. I'm not sure if that is true
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it and it has to make you better.......it has to.......

cavmania wrote:DSM hands down, they break alot but thats anything that makes power.

They only break when they are not properly taken care of or tuned. I've killed two modified DSMs, and both due to my own stupidity. My 90 FWD TSi I blew up because I cranked the boost a little to high on a weak headgasket. My 91 AWD I blew up the tranny at the track when I attempted a 7K rpm clutch drop with drag radials and over 400lbs/ft of torque.

But then again any car will do that.

Honda's k20 motor thats in the RSX Type-s and the S2000 motor are hands down the best naturaly aspirated 4 cylinder motors on the market, i mean come on 8K and 9K redlines pushing 100hp per liter? and far as turbo 4 bangers go i would say the 4G63 has top honors.. I mean look at all the modded GST's and GSX's out there, and now that we have the EVO in the states, once again the 4G63 proves wut its worth...

Want gob of naturally aspirated HP/L? How about the Yamaha R6 engine or the Honda CBR600. The CBR makes about 117HP with only 600cc displacement. Redline is a screaming 15 000 RPM. 117/.6= 195 BHP/L and it not the peekiest of bike engines, some 600s can make 140hp (in a very narrow band, but still) that would be about 230BHP/L. Torque? Not really, hense the insane rev limits, but still very tight, technical little engines that make tons of fun for their owners. Bikes are suprisingly reliable considering the extremes they endure.

My Hat off to the designers at HRC, Yamaha Motors, Suzuki (bikes only) and Kawasaki Heavy industries for making gobs of power with tiny packages.

PAX

I'm saying LD9 because I can run the hell out of my car and have zero problems with it ever. It's a strong motor and I've put a beating on about all the 4 bangers around whether it be a turbo talon or a vtec Honda or Acura.



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I would have to say either the majority that has been mentioned or gm's iron duke... I mean you can run it low on oil and anything else and it will still keep going.


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