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Bush signs US-Mexico Border Fence Bill
Thursday, October 26, 2006 10:32 AM on j-body.org
Bush Signs U.S.-Mexico Border Fence Bill
By DEB RIECHMANN, Associated Press Writer

2 hours ago

WASHINGTON - President Bush signed a bill Thursday authorizing 700 miles of new fencing along the U.S.-Mexico border, hoping to give Republican candidates a pre-election platform for asserting they're tough on illegal immigration.

"Unfortunately the United States has not been in complete control of its borders for decades and therefore illegal immigration has been on the rise," Bush said at a signing ceremony.

"We have a responsibility to enforce our laws," he said. "We have a responsibility to secure our borders. We take this responsibility serious."

He called the fence bill "an important step in our nation's efforts to secure our borders."

The centerpiece of Bush's immigration policy, a guest worker program, remains stalled in Congress.

And a handful of House Republican are at the brakes, blocking negotiations with the Senate for a bill that includes the president's proposal.

Still, Bush argues that it would be easier to get his guest worker program passed if Republicans keep their majorities in the House and Senate after the Nov. 7 elections. His proposal would allow legal employment for foreigners and give some of the estimated 11 million to 12 million illegal immigrants in the United States a shot at becoming American citizens.

The measure Bush put into law Thursday before heading for campaign stops in Iowa and Michigan offers no money for the fence project covering one-third of the 2,100-mile border.

Its cost is not known, although a homeland security spending measure the president signed earlier this month makes a $1.2 billion down payment on the project. The money also can be used for access roads, vehicle barriers, lighting, high-tech equipment and other tools to secure the border.

Mexican officials have criticized the fence. Outgoing Mexican President Vicente Fox, who has spent much of his six years in office lobbying for a new guest worker program and a chance at citizenship for the millions of Mexicans working illegally in the U.S., calls the fence "shameful" and compares it to the Berlin Wall.

Others have doubts about its effectiveness.

"A fence will slow people down by a minute or two, but if you don't have the agents to stop them it does no good. We're not talking about some impenetrable barrier," T.J. Bonner, president of the National Border Patrol Council, a union representing Border Patrol agents, said Wednesday.

Customs and Border Protection statistics show that apprehensions at border crossings are down 8 percent nationally for the budget year that just ended, Bonner said. Apprehensions were up in the San Diego sector, he said, an area of the nearly 2,000-mile border that has the most fencing.

A spokesman for Customs and Border Protection would not confirm the statistics or discuss reasons for the increase in the San Diego sector.

Sens. John Cornyn and Kay Bailey Hutchison, both Texas Republicans, had wanted to amend the fence bill to give local governments more say about where fencing is erected. They lost that battle, but Republican leaders assured them the Homeland Security Department would have flexibility to choose other options instead of fencing, if needed.

Cornyn said he voted for the fence because he wanted to help demonstrate that Congress was serious about border security.

"The choice we were presented was: Are we going to vote to enhance border security, or against it?" Cornyn said. "I think that's how the vote was viewed."

Discuss.




Re: Bush signs US-Mexico Border Fence Bill
Thursday, October 26, 2006 12:19 PM on j-body.org
Does this make me feel safer? No.



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Re: Bush signs US-Mexico Border Fence Bill
Thursday, October 26, 2006 12:25 PM on j-body.org
At least it is a start.
Re: Bush signs US-Mexico Border Fence Bill
Thursday, October 26, 2006 12:26 PM on j-body.org
never saw the point... never will... like carlos mencia said... who do you think is going to build the fence...



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Re: Bush signs US-Mexico Border Fence Bill
Thursday, October 26, 2006 12:48 PM on j-body.org
Another victory in the war against terrorism.


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Re: Bush signs US-Mexico Border Fence Bill
Thursday, October 26, 2006 12:58 PM on j-body.org
I hate the way Mexicans terrorize our corn fields.


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Re: Bush signs US-Mexico Border Fence Bill
Thursday, October 26, 2006 1:24 PM on j-body.org
^^^LOL Now all they have to do is build a fence on the other 1,400 miles of border with Mexico.


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Re: Bush signs US-Mexico Border Fence Bill
Thursday, October 26, 2006 1:37 PM on j-body.org
And let's not forget that border crossings are down this year, except near San Diego... where there is already a fence....


hmmmmm


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Re: Bush signs US-Mexico Border Fence Bill
Thursday, October 26, 2006 2:34 PM on j-body.org
Apparently there are Co. senate hopefulls that want to stop kids from "Wasting time in 12th Grade" and going through a "Rite of manhood" by serving as border guards...

Just what you need, 17-18 year olds having to work harder to get into college...

http://www.perlmutter2006.com/node/310

Best I could come up with.




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Re: Bush signs US-Mexico Border Fence Bill
Thursday, October 26, 2006 3:33 PM on j-body.org
perlmutter is a moron.

his opponent is having a field day with that 12th grade border guard idea.



Re: Bush signs US-Mexico Border Fence Bill
Thursday, October 26, 2006 4:59 PM on j-body.org
Mr Bush! Tear down that wall!

Re: Bush signs US-Mexico Border Fence Bill
Thursday, October 26, 2006 5:21 PM on j-body.org
WannaBzee (aka BadAceDesign) wrote:perlmutter is a moron.

his opponent is having a field day with that 12th grade border guard idea.


Read a little bit on in the release, it has really BAD idea written all over it.
I also think that it's kinda funny, Rick O'Donnell hasn't served in the military at all that I'm aware of, I also don't see how it makes sense to pull kids out of school, train and equip them for border guard security detail, and then release them in 6 months. What do you do for the other 6 months of the year?

BTW, Rick O'Donnell is the one espousing that idea, Perlmutter has better ideas (at least in the 3 minute snippets I saw on 9News). Either way, Universal Service is a great idea, but I think that the very FIRST to serve should be the people that bring the idea into law, and those that voted for them.

There's a song either by DOA or George Thorogood that has a line in it that says: At 18, you can elect a moron, and get sent over seas to get your ass killed, but you CAN'T BUY BEER!


Quote:

Copyright 2004 The Denver Post

All Rights Reserved

The Denver Post

January 3, 2004 Saturday FINAL EDITIONSECTION: RMN; Pg. C-15LENGTH: 769 wordsHEADLINE: A new rite of passageBYLINE: Rick O'Donnell, COLORADO VOICES, GoldenSurprising his father, the son bolted into the cabin with eyes wide as saucers and a face pale as a ghost. All he said was, 'I saw a bear.'

Not even his father could have planned such a fitting end to his son’s rite of passage into manhood. They had spent a weekend near Salida hiking, camping and talking - not father to son, but man to man. The last night, the son was left alone in the wilderness. Early the next morning, he came face to face with the bear. Fraternity, acceptance, adventure and risk are ingredients necessary for an initiation to manhood.

My friend spent considerable time planning this rite of passage for his teenage son because he understands that modern America is failing to adequately prepare its boys for manhood.

Men commit suicide four times more than women. The federal prison population is 93 percent male. Only 47 percent of Colorado's sixth-grade boys pass the writing CSAP, compared to 62 percent of girls. On the 10-grade reading CSAP only 61 percent of boys pass, compared to 73 percent of girls. Among kids labeled as learning disabled, 73 percent are boys. More women now go to college than men; and for every 100 women who get a college degree, only 67 men do.

There are many complex causes for this sad streak of problems among young men. The largest contributor is the epidemic of absent fathers. Almost 35 percent of boys live without their biological father. Forty percent of children in fatherless homes have not seen their father even once during the past year. Boys without fathers are twice as likely to be dropouts and four times as likely to need behavioral treatment as boys with fathers.

We've all seen how a young boy intently watches and imitates his father's behaviors and values. Boys must learn from their fathers how to become men. If they don't, they'll learn from a coach, teacher or mentor - or be left to try to figure it out from movies, television and music. It's sad that for too many young men, sex, sports and violence are all that is left as anchors of their souls, rather than family, faith and hard-work.

That's why mentoring is so critical. Two mentors in my life greatly shaped me in ways that a sometimes-disengaged father never did. Now as a mentor myself to a fatherless teenager, I've seen how much he thrives on doing and learning about guy things with an adult male - things his mother, as great as she is, can never teach her son.

But even with more mentors, a bolder approach is needed to help boys successfully become men of character. A Colorado legislator recently asked, 'What's the use of 12th grade?' If more than 25 percent of Colorado men drop out before the 12th grade, and for those who remain it is a blow-off year, why are we paying for it? Good questions.

That's why it's time to institute a national service corps for men. I propose that after the first semester of 12th grade, all young men in America do six months of service. For those who drop out of high school, they replace those lost years with additional service. No one would be exempt, rich kids couldn't buy their way out of service, and it wouldn't involve the informality of AmeriCorps.

Young men could have a choice of where to serve, such as homeland security, armed forces or community service. After a basic-training type orientation, they would be given various duties in sore need of attention: securing our border with Mexico; thinning our national forests to reduce fire risk; providing homeland security at ports and other vulnerable locations.

Each year, 4 million young men would do something productive for their country, rather than drop out of school or waste time in 12th grade. They would undergo a society-wide rite of passage into manhood, one that provides discipline, positive role models, fraternity, physical effort and a sense of adventure and risk. Additionally, it would help assimilate the children of immigrants into being Americans.

We spend more than $ 370 billion every year on K-12 public education in this country. By eliminating the last semester of senior year for men, we could devote billions of dollars toward establishing the service corps.

It might not be as exciting as coming face to face with a bear in the woods, but it will help America turn its boys into men of character.

Rick O'Donnell (rfohome@comcast.net) is executive director of the Colorado Department of Regulatory Agencies.




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Re: Bush signs US-Mexico Border Fence Bill
Thursday, October 26, 2006 7:27 PM on j-body.org
Glace wrote:Another victory in the war against terrorism.


Since when are hispanic immigrants terrorists?



Re: Bush signs US-Mexico Border Fence Bill
Thursday, October 26, 2006 8:06 PM on j-body.org
They're committing economic terrorism.






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Re: Bush signs US-Mexico Border Fence Bill
Thursday, October 26, 2006 9:18 PM on j-body.org
GAM (The Kilted One) wrote:They're committing economic terrorism.




haha you know gam at least you think about your answers before you say them. that's actually pretty funny. haha.

wait if Economic terrorism can be shortened to Eco Terrorism.....

Eco Terrorists? but wait... mexicans grow crops...


What the hell is going on here?



Re: Bush signs US-Mexico Border Fence Bill
Thursday, October 26, 2006 10:02 PM on j-body.org
I'll dissent with you on Universal service: I think it's a horrible idea. I don't think anyone should be forced to serve a bunch of politicians as they attempt to expand their sphere of influence and line their pockets with money under the white elephant of patriotism--at least without a good checks and balances system--which we don't have.


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Re: Bush signs US-Mexico Border Fence Bill
Thursday, October 26, 2006 10:27 PM on j-body.org
I personally don't really mind them coming over.
I do think it would be nice to have some sort of registration system though.

No matter how you look at it, the immigrant population is quite a large workforce in the US.
And don't come on here saying you want them to leave because the americans need the jobs. Most americans would never do the jobs that the immigrant population does.

A fence aint gonna help a huge amount because like our governor said...
You build a 12 foot wall and Walmart is still gonna sell 14 foot ladders.

I hate that Bush is passing all these laws just to help rebublicans get re-elected.
First one I heard about was the one that got rid of Habeas Corpus then the one where they legalized same sex classes/schools in public schools and now this. Just what we need. A bunch of bullsh!t laws.
And now he's saying that the war isn't going how it should and that it needs a change and what not.
No sh!t. I love how we have a president that's controlling a war with a country he couldn't even find on a map.

-Seth



Re: Bush signs US-Mexico Border Fence Bill
Friday, October 27, 2006 12:16 AM on j-body.org
Quote:

At 18, you can elect a moron, and get sent over seas to get your ass killed, but you CAN'T BUY BEER!



AMEN.



Re: Bush signs US-Mexico Border Fence Bill
Wednesday, November 08, 2006 10:41 PM on j-body.org
Hey guess what I worked w/ Illegal immigrants, please dont say americans wont do the work they do. Im proof right here. I worked w/ them for well over a year. Worked in warehousing, hot unpleasant hours, but I worked with them. Please do not assume all americans are fat and lazy. Honestly the fence may or may not work, I dont know not my specialty but I would like to see changes in our citizenship process. It needs to be streamlined, however if you are over here illegally you should not recieve amnesty because you are here. What about all of the people that are actually waiting in line now to become a citizen? We give everyone who has come over here illegally a break and the ones who waited get screwed. Pretty @!#$ up sounding to me, all amnesty will do is increase illegal immigration because people will expect in the next 20 years for the govt to do the same things.

Things that could help w/ illegal immigration

Central and South American countries improve economies, not holding my breath on that
Streamlining citizenship process
Go after companies hiring illegal immigrants(my company didnt hire, used temporary worker services)

just a couple of ideas



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Re: Bush signs US-Mexico Border Fence Bill
Thursday, November 09, 2006 4:12 AM on j-body.org
how is it that americans used to do all the jobs that the mexicans do and now everyone claims that you could never get americans to do those types of jobs. is our memory really that bad?


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Re: Bush signs US-Mexico Border Fence Bill
Thursday, November 09, 2006 6:31 AM on j-body.org
It's not about jobs Americans won't do, it's working conditions Americans won't accept. Nobody in a free country should have to work for minimum wage (or under) doing backbreaking work in hot disgusting conditions while under the constant harrassment of bosses to work harder and faster or be fired. A garderner makes about the same wage today as they did 20 years ago. This is not progress for those in the gardening profession.

But this whole fence thing is ridiculous. You wanna get rid of illegals? Stop prosecuting them for one thing. Stop focusing on the illegals. That's totally useless. They're blameless in this. It's our own damn fault, not theirs.

Here's MY solution.

Set up a 1-800 number for illegals to rat on their employers and make it so that anyone who hires an illegal worker (and has it proven in court) has to pay said worker 2000$ and a plane ticket back home.

In cases of mass (more than 10 illegal immigrants at one time) and repeated hirings the employer gets ten years in prison and has to pay EACH worker 10,000$ and (again) send them back home. All out of his own pocket.

Stop moralizing, it's clouding the issue. This isn't about race, money, poverty or anything like that. Mexico and South America suck economically? Very sad, still not part of this issue. We have immigration laws and they're being broken, end of story. Personally I don't blame the immigrants at all, in their position I'd do the same thing. And since I understand them, I also know that they'll never stop coming no matter how high the wall or how tough the penalties.

So your best bet is to start making it hurt in the pocketbook. I've always said that greed and fear are the best two emotions to exploit when manipulating people. Make the illegals greedy and ready to snitch on their bosses and make their bosses fearful and afraid to hire anyone because they'll be terrified to be caught.

Oh, and as a safety precaution, you don't take illegals at their word. You set up sting operations and get some evidence and THEN bust the employers. All nice and proveable in court. No wasted time.

Make the immigrants greedy, make the people who hire them afraid...

PROBLEM SOLVED.

Re: Bush signs US-Mexico Border Fence Bill
Thursday, November 09, 2006 8:52 AM on j-body.org
^^^as long as they get rid of club fed, make them stay in normal prison, and have them risk salad tossings.




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Re: Bush signs US-Mexico Border Fence Bill
Thursday, November 09, 2006 11:18 AM on j-body.org
How is it not part of the issue? The reason they come here is becuase there economies at home are terrible, we fix the economies what is the reason they come here. They come here to make money because there is no money at there home countries. We can help fix the problem by helping them fix there economies. Illegal immigrants know they can make more money working minimum or less here than they can usually make in a year at there home countries. Most are not here to become citizens and stay here, they want to make for there families. I agree you sue the @!#$ out of the companies that are hiring illegals, so you send back the illegals, what is preventing them from coming back. What is the reason for them to stay at there home countries. MONEY clear and simple, that is the key. Not becoming a citizen.


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Re: Bush signs US-Mexico Border Fence Bill
Thursday, November 09, 2006 11:42 AM on j-body.org
Big Smurf 01GT wrote:How is it not part of the issue? The reason they come here is becuase there economies at home are terrible, we fix the economies what is the reason they come here. They come here to make money because there is no money at there home countries. We can help fix the problem by helping them fix there economies. Illegal immigrants know they can make more money working minimum or less here than they can usually make in a year at there home countries. Most are not here to become citizens and stay here, they want to make for there families. I agree you sue the @!#$ out of the companies that are hiring illegals, so you send back the illegals, what is preventing them from coming back. What is the reason for them to stay at there home countries. MONEY clear and simple, that is the key. Not becoming a citizen.


It is not our job to fix other countries.

Keep the illegals out. If they cant get money in their country, sucks to be them. They can wait in line to come here legally.

I still dont understand how anyone can argue anything at all for the illegals.

Is it ok for a man to rob someone because he needs money to support his family? Even if he lives in an area where he cant get work? Breaking the law is breaking the law.



Re: Bush signs US-Mexico Border Fence Bill
Thursday, November 09, 2006 11:53 AM on j-body.org
WannaBzee (aka BadAceDesign) wrote:
Is it ok for a man to rob someone because he needs money to support his family? Even if he lives in an area where he cant get work? Breaking the law is breaking the law.


What the hell do you know? You're 19 years old. I'd become a gay prositute before I'd let my children starve.

Do you have kids?


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