Orlandomon wrote:ehh all i know is that it SUCKS being over there.................................................. and thats exactly why i wont ever join the military. I dont give a rats@^% if ppl say i dont support the troops, well I DONT. so what? i dont believe thats a crime.
just out of curiosity, are you saying you could give a @!#$less aboot Soldiers or if that is someones perception of you you could care less?
2 totally different things.
ToBoGgAn wrote:Orlandomon wrote:ehh all i know is that it SUCKS being over there.................................................. and thats exactly why i wont ever join the military. I dont give a rats@^% if ppl say i dont support the troops, well I DONT. so what? i dont believe thats a crime.
just out of curiosity, are you saying you could give a @!#$less aboot Soldiers or if that is someones perception of you you could care less?
2 totally different things.
Well, it seems that he is saying that he does not support the troops. That is based on my interpritation of the statment you quoted and his previous statements. Just read the following quote:
Orlandomon wrote:i dont believe that theres a devil... but if there is one, he is american. thats my take, and no one can make me think differently
I really try not to hate people, but of the people I have ran into on the internet Orlandomon ranks pretty high on the "people I despise" list. He is an America/American hater and a close-minded individual. He overlooks the fact that OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS in the armed services sacrifice a lot so that we don't have to when he does not support the troops. I'm not saying that they are fighting for our freedom, that's another topic, I'm saying that they are taking our place in battle and doing so bravely. I am embarrassed to call him an American and embarrassed to call him a Texan, almost as much as Bush. From the bottom of my heart, FU orlandomon.
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oh man im so hurt!
yea right
theres gonna be different points of view. and different opinions . we are all entitled to our own. yes, I do have friends in the military. and yes, i tried to talk every single one of them out of joining the military. it worked with some, but not with all. the ones that did enlist, now regret it. at least the ones i know.
honestly, if i ever travel abroad, id rather say im mexican than american. and trust me, im not the only one who thinks this way, hell even my history teacher said the exact same thing (Im a history major btw), he tells everyone he meets on vacation that hes canadian.
again, i may have a different point of view, but that does not give u the right to say that my point of view is wrong and yours isnt. heck im not even saying your point of view is incorrect, im only saying i dont agree with it... so whos the close minded individual now?
Robby002 wrote:Quote:
Being against the war does not mean you don't support the troops.
see, I'm confused 
To me, That's like saying I don't want you to go to school but I want you to become a doctor?
I understand people don't like war and I don't like war but its best to fight there than fight here in our land.
how can we win a battle that we are against of? call me idiot or whatever but it doesn't make sense to me at all. You're in or you're out, we can not be in neutral all the time.
Robby, Agustin is right: You're not separating the macro from the micro.
I'll try to explain this logic of mine further.
If er wllok at a sildier, Ariman, seaman, or marine in and of themselves, they make a choice to have a certain lifestyle--to lay down their life and fight for a cause they believe in or fight for something greater than themselves.
THAT ideal is what I support. That your average run-of-the-mill military person is making that stand for what they believe in.
Now, if we look at the war itself, any way you slice it an dice it, it was, is, and will be a bad idea--at least in my opinion. The U.S., it's freedom, it's soverienity, and it's very existance was not a threat to anyone, and this was basically a calculated invasion under the white elephant of removing a brutal dictator from power.
I do not support that.
I support the fact that all of the troops are basically laying down their lifes for a cause they believe in. I don't support the fact that some comeplete wastes of a saturday night in Washington looking for ways to pillage more cash and relieve the citizens of their basic rights as guarenteed by the constitution are sending America's finest to pillage another country for political gain.
Hence, i support the troops, slaute aevery one of them (except the bad apples), and hope they all make it home safely.
Meanwhile i loathe and despise the government and all of it's cronies that caused this war and the fact that they are making money and consolifdating power with the live of our honorable troops.
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Orlandomon wrote:oh man im so hurt! yea right
I don't care, nor do I expect you to, I'm just speaking my mind.
Orlandomon wrote:theres gonna be different points of view. and different opinions . we are all entitled to our own. yes, I do have friends in the military. and yes, i tried to talk every single one of them out of joining the military. it worked with some, but not with all. the ones that did enlist, now regret it. at least the ones i know.
Yes you have a right to your opinion, you live in America. I don't support the war but I just can't understand how someone could not care about our troops. I don't understand what makes them deserve less kindness than the average citizen. Sure, they made the decision but that is even MORE of a reason to respect them and we should care about them because they are decent human beings.
Orlandomon wrote:honestly, if i ever travel abroad, id rather say im mexican than american. and trust me, im not the only one who thinks this way, hell even my history teacher said the exact same thing (Im a history major btw), he tells everyone he meets on vacation that hes canadian.
I'm sure their are a lot of people are like you and your history teacher. That does not change the fact that the denouncement of your country, not the war, is despicable. Am I embarrassed that we allowed ourselves to be suckered into an unnecessary war? Yes. Am I embarrassed to be an American? @!#$ NO! If someone wants to assume that all Americans are alike or that all Americans support Bush, @!#$'em! It's their problem.
Orlandomon wrote:again, i may have a different point of view, but that does not give u the right to say that my point of view is wrong and yours isnt. heck im not even saying your point of view is incorrect, im only saying i dont agree with it... so whos the close minded individual now?
I am telling you that IMO you are wrong. I do not confuse my opinion with undeniable truth. I have been wrong on MANY occasions. I am basically telling you that I disagree with you and that I have no respect for you because of your opinion. Is that judgmental? It sure is, but people make judgments every day on what they consider right. What exactly makes me close minded? That I disagree with and dislike your view? No, that makes me a person with an opinion and I would gladly change my opinion if you can explain to me why I shouldn't give a @!#$ about the troops. Maybe close minded is the wrong term to use but ignorant is not, so let's use it as a substitute. Of coarse, every post on the internet is an opinion so don't assume that I see mine as anything else.
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^^ much better. everything sounds better when it is stated as an opinion, not a fact.
so u dont like me and think im a #&^tard, awesome its ur opinion. and as i mentioned, you are also entitled to your opinion, so no contest in that.
as i mentioned before, I can think god is a @&^#tard, and that doesnt make me wrong or right. some people may see it "morally" wrong, but remember. we can not legislate morality.
anyway, this could really go on forever, so the point is that IMO i decide not to support the troops, period.
most of u do, awesome knock urself out.
props to bigj and orlando for keeping it civil
If your dad was in the military you would not support him?
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2...
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he would never join, i think he would rather die first.... same for me, or in the case of a draft... flee the country
that's not what I asked.
Would you support him "if he did"?
A. YES
B. NO
i think thats our of the question since i know he wouldnt....
but lets say for some odd reason he did, i would hope he lives. but i would insist on him quitting it
why can't you just say no
Everyone is allowed to think different in this country.
If you haven't gotten a straight answer from him at this point, why are you bothering with pulling teeth further.
The other thing, the 3,2,1 contact thing is irritating.
If you both can't make your points, quit it and move on.
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im still not so sure on whether its a definite NO. but i lean alot more to no then to yes.
so in order for thisto move on, no is my answer. but that doesnt mean i wouldnt give a @&^ if he died.
My is that I support the troops in Iraq.
I support the war because I believe we went to war with good intentions but bad intelligence.
He does not support the troops or the war
^^^i partially disagree.
I think the troops went to war with good intention, i believer the politicans and theleaders went to war with bad intelligence and intentions.
There's a difference. I support the privates, specialis, corporals, seamen, and airmen more than i do the 4-star generals.
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I Support the troops, and I believe (rather know... I've made this more than just a hobby, after reading a little over 15 books on the subject, on both sides of the idea) that there was an axe to grind with Iraq, and there was systematic and endemic problems with Iraq.
Nothing linking Iraq with:
- Terrorism
- 9/11
- Germ Attacks
- Nuclear weapons procurement
- Al-qaeda (to wit: no long term or real attachment)
Basically, Iraq was supposed to be a demonstration of power, and the US is eating crow now... Don't blame intel, HMIS said pretty blatantly that there was nothing linking Iraq with terrorism or CBRN materials (the closest there was was machined pipes that were engineered to a tight tolerance, in fact they were useful for plumbing and 1970's era stores of Mustard Gas with no atomizers for dispersal). Good intentions? If there was, the US wouldn't have fumbled the ball time and time again.
I think if the Political establishment actually supported the troops, the troop surge that just happened would have been done long ago, and Iraqis would have been involved more in the construction, policing and securing of their own country.
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Robby002 wrote:if I'm against the war does not mean I don't support the troops.
so,
just like if I stand under a car garage it doesn't make me a car, right?
then
and if you don't support the war than you support the terrorist
I'm going to buy me a plane ticket to Iraq and come back as a soldier
That is one of the most retarded things I have ever read. I'll make this really simple for you... If I don't support this war, that means that I don't support this war - NOTHING ELSE!! It does not mean I support terrorist or any other stupid @!#$ thing you think! Keep reading below to see what I mean in a way that even people like you can understand.
Rollinredcavi wrote:AGuSTiN wrote:^^ lol
Yeah, I don't know anything. I'm a jerk.
You obviously have no idea what is going on in Iraq.
You can try one of your bull @!#$ rants about how I am wrong or some crazy thing. But believing you over someone who has been in Iraq, shot at by insurgents, and actually experienced what is real, would be nothing short of Idiotic.
You go on with your alternate reality because thats your right, but dont be trying to tell soldiers who actually know the truth that they are wrong or doing somthing wrong. They know the world is better because of what they are doing.
But of course your know more than them, right? You sitting at your computer jacking off and watching the liberal news stations reporting how "wrong" this war is, so now your a genious.
Lets just call you General Augustin, because you know the world and the war like no one else.
Do you think you're the only one here who has friends who fought in Iraq? Furthermore do you not realize that some of the people on this board actually fought there themselves? What makes YOU the resident of the Iraq war?
I also have some Iraq war veterans for buddies. One of them is a former Marine with 147 confirmed kills. He now has one leg shorter than another due to his hip being @!#$ up when 3 floors collapsed under him during some heavy fighting. He doesn't support this war. You better believe he supports the troops.
Another of them was(and now is again) in the Army - shot on 3 occasions, stabbed once, and also bluggended over the head with a large object. He's fine BTW.
He actually despises this war. He doesn't support it in the least. Do you know what? He just RE-ENLISTED!! Do you know why? It sure as hell isn't because he supports the war(again he despises it). He supports his fellow troops. He isn't going there to fight for some BS causes. He is going back to fight for something that really matters to him... the lives of his fellow troops. But... according to people like you - since he doesn't support the war then he doesn't support the troops. Isn't that right?!
Logic > Rhetoric.
Real Patriots and Real Heroes > Conservative nut huggers
Your petty weak arguements have been knocked the @!#$ out. Good night.
And for you Orlandomon... WTF is wrong with you?!
I've never heard of this "part throttle" before. Does it just bolt on?
I don't quite get the 3 of them.. RRC, Robby and Orlandomon are a special kind...
Nice post btw, thanks
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lol theres nothing wrong with me, i simply have a different point of view.
Orlando, you're on JBO...of course there's something WRONG with you. The sooner you realize this the better off you'll be
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Quote:
Another of them was(and now is again) in the Army - shot on 3 occasions, stabbed once, and also bluggended over the head with a large object. He's fine BTW. He actually despises this war. He doesn't support it in the least. Do you know what? He just RE-ENLISTED!! Do you know why? It sure as hell isn't because he supports the war(again he despises it). He supports his fellow troops. He isn't going there to fight for some BS causes. He is going back to fight for something that really matters to him... the lives of his fellow troops. But... according to people like you - since he doesn't support the war then he doesn't support the troops. Isn't that right?!
He has a PERSONAL or different view of this war
I truly support that 100%
he's not fighting for the cause of the war, he is fighting for the lives taken away and the sacrifice of our troops.
but the simple fact that he's out there fighting the war, not that he's fighting for the cause, but he's right in the middle of our enemies supporting our troops and fighting back. I support that.
That's why I support the war against terrorist.
[quote=Keeper of the Light™]^^^i partially disagree.
I think the troops went to war with good intention, i believer the politicans and theleaders went to war with bad intelligence and intentions.
There's a difference. I support the privates, specialis, corporals, seamen, and airmen more than i do the 4-star generals.
I guess if you support privates long enough you inevitably may end up supporting seamen as well
^I left myself wide open for that, didn't i....
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Robby002 wrote:Quote:
Another of them was(and now is again) in the Army - shot on 3 occasions, stabbed once, and also bluggended over the head with a large object. He's fine BTW. He actually despises this war. He doesn't support it in the least. Do you know what? He just RE-ENLISTED!! Do you know why? It sure as hell isn't because he supports the war(again he despises it). He supports his fellow troops. He isn't going there to fight for some BS causes. He is going back to fight for something that really matters to him... the lives of his fellow troops. But... according to people like you - since he doesn't support the war then he doesn't support the troops. Isn't that right?!
He has a PERSONAL or different view of this war
I truly support that 100%
he's not fighting for the cause of the war, he is fighting for the lives taken away and the sacrifice of our troops.
but the simple fact that he's out there fighting the war, not that he's fighting for the cause, but he's right in the middle of our enemies supporting our troops and fighting back. I support that.
That's why I support the war against terrorist.
I think that you missed the point entirely... I give up.
I've never heard of this "part throttle" before. Does it just bolt on?
