GAM (The Kilted One) wrote:tabs: I think the whole idea that you're better off carrying gold than you are cash is the first really REALLY stupid idea I've heard in a long time. There's a reason Bullion is no longer the standard for trade.
i dont think hes advocating carrying gold. just getting back on the gold/silver standard.
it doesnt matter if money has something to back it up, because the value of what backs it up fluctuates a lot as well
money is more digital now-a-days than anything its ridiculous, having a piece of metal back up bits of data seems pointless
Tracer Bullet wrote:it doesnt matter if money has something to back it up, because the value of what backs it up fluctuates a lot as well
money is more digital now-a-days than anything its ridiculous, having a piece of metal back up bits of data seems pointless
money needs to be based on SOME thing. when it isnt then people (govt) can just keep printing it, raising the amount of money in circulation but devaluing the money itself. this is what happened in russia when communism fell. the govt kept printing paper money, but it basically made it worthless.
when money is based on gold or silver or whatever, then the amount of money in circulation is set at X (equivalent to the amount of whatever is backing it). money is supposed to be a representation of something. it was invented so you didnt have to carry around 10 pounds of gold on you at all times.
(tabs) wrote:Tracer Bullet wrote:it doesnt matter if money has something to back it up, because the value of what backs it up fluctuates a lot as well
money is more digital now-a-days than anything its ridiculous, having a piece of metal back up bits of data seems pointless
money needs to be based on SOME thing. when it isnt then people (govt) can just keep printing it, raising the amount of money in circulation but devaluing the money itself. this is what happened in russia when communism fell. the govt kept printing paper money, but it basically made it worthless.
when money is based on gold or silver or whatever, then the amount of money in circulation is set at X (equivalent to the amount of whatever is backing it). money is supposed to be a representation of something. it was invented so you didnt have to carry around 10 pounds of gold on you at all times.
so whats todays money backed by? it hasnt been backed by a metal for awhile now and had been fine, going back to something like that would be pointless
youre right that it hasnt been backed by anything for awhile. but thats the problem---it ISNT fine. our current monetary system is going to explode on us (maybe soon, as in the next 20 year or so) if we dont do something else about it.
if you are honestly interested in how our current system is set up,
then this is a great video to check out. its a nice, simple vid that isnt too long.
seriously, do yourself a favor and check it out. if you still think our current system is fine, then.....well i dont know what to say. but i certainly wont try to convince you otherwise anymore.
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Tracer Bullet wrote:(tabs) wrote:Tracer Bullet wrote:it doesnt matter if money has something to back it up, because the value of what backs it up fluctuates a lot as well
money is more digital now-a-days than anything its ridiculous, having a piece of metal back up bits of data seems pointless
money needs to be based on SOME thing. when it isnt then people (govt) can just keep printing it, raising the amount of money in circulation but devaluing the money itself. this is what happened in russia when communism fell. the govt kept printing paper money, but it basically made it worthless.
when money is based on gold or silver or whatever, then the amount of money in circulation is set at X (equivalent to the amount of whatever is backing it). money is supposed to be a representation of something. it was invented so you didnt have to carry around 10 pounds of gold on you at all times.
so whats todays money backed by? it hasnt been backed by a metal for awhile now and had been fine, going back to something like that would be pointless
Yeah..... um our money isn't doing fine at all.
i havnt seen what obamas plan on healthcare is but i know hillary is for universal health care and i dont want to see that come about.
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Money is based on its ability to buy other money.
Thats the gist of it.
Weak US economy = weak dollar.
Stronger EU and Asia economies = weaker US dollar
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sndsgood wrote:i havnt seen what obamas plan on healthcare is but i know hillary is for universal health care and i dont want to see that come about.
she wants control of the universe!
i guess people missed the HAD part in my statement, meaning it had been fine until recently
but anyways, i am interested as to why you dont wanna see universal healthcare sndsgood
crack heads and drug addicts will abuse the system and people will become more and more lazy and dependable on the government and at the end, we will end up like mexico or guatemala.
Then the government will decided who and who doesn't get health care and control it.
Hillary is control freak but people don't see it coming.
is my opinion, but I could be wrong. the drug addicts might stop using drugs, who knows
Hillary 2008!! Awesome!!
Universal health care is horrible.
If you don't have a job that doesn't provide it get a better job. This is AMERICA after all.
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Tracer Bullet wrote:but anyways, i am interested as to why you dont wanna see universal healthcare sndsgood
how about the most obvious reason to be against it: its government run. how many things does the government run efficiently? not a damned thing. why would this be any different?
sure, on paper the idea of providing everyone with health care sounds nice. but how does that work in practice? where does that money come from? i dont want to have to pay 50 percent in taxes for something that i never use. i dont want to pay that much money just so some fat ass can eat mcdonalds all his life, suffer a heart attack, run up half a million in health bills that i have to cover, then get out of the hospital and start doing it again. youve got to keep in mind, the majority of americans are obese. i dont want to have to pay for them to continue in that lifestye. just like you shouldnt have to pay for a new liver for me if i decide to pickle the one God gave me. after all, why should you be responsible for the way i run my life?
furthermore, universal health care is a form of socialism and welfare, both of which i do not support.
tabs hit on it good. look at any goverment ran program and most people will complain it sucks. i dont want the goverment meddling in healthcare. is it perfect now? not by any means, it can use some regulation and changes but for the most part its not bad. i havnt heard any glowing reviews on the canadian system. i can only imagine it getting worse if we went with universal care, not get better. how are you going to get it to everyone. money has to come from somewhere. are you going to start capping what doctors earn? if thats the case who's goign to want to go to college for 7 years and bust their ass if their not going to get paid for it. look at the army a goverment ran entity. you always see bills for hammers for $800 and stuff like that and people scream about the goverment waisting our money and how poorly they run it. this will be the same. bills will start showing up where they are spending $500 for a bedpan. the quality of doctors will drop off the wait time to see someone will increase dramatically and my care will suffer, but little jonny lowlife who spends his money on playstation games and dvds will now have free healthcare.
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if you are educated and work you should be able to afford health care.
Because here in America people are not choosing health are or food. We are choosing a flat screen or health care.
cell phone or health care, rims for my car or health care. and those are the people who are too lazy to pay for their own health care and want the government (The tax payers) to take care of that problem for them.
That's the kind of freedom they want.
And lets not talk about people addicted to prescription drugs.
All they have to say to the doctor is I'm hurt I think I'm going to die and they get pain prescription.
That's why I don't like this woman. She's dishonest and corrupted
I am democratic and I don't support universal health....yet.
I personally think that it will be over abused for reasons already said. I work I pay for health insurance. Even when I didn't have a full time job I found "basic" health insurance that I paid every month. I also believe there are people in the country who CAN'T move up or find a better job and are stuck. I don't like putting a general blanket answer for everybody in this country, everybody is different and have different situations. I think the government should be there to help the people who truly need help (and you know exactly who) not the people who fall in the lazy and looking for handout so they don't have to...category
On topic I really like Obama, and in the word of of Bill Maher, "I think the country needs to hear the phrase, now here is something completely different"
Hilary and McCain and same old, same old.
I really like this article about how a Obama/Clinton ticket is unlikely. I say it now, it will be Obama- Edwards or Obama-Richardson
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/04/roland.martin/index.html?iref=newssearch
with the way the economy is going, the war in iraq, GMs profit lost and they keep going down, people losing their homes, and jobs we really need someone who is going to do something about it and say look, we are in debt and we are going to rebuild this country. Like Obama said, we need hope. If we lose our hope in this country I believe we might hit a recession and a depression and it would take years to recover.
Hillary on the other hand, she wants those profits from the oil company and give it to the government and she's part of the government its just too much me me me me, I , I, I, I I want, She just doesn't have what it takes to protect this country and give us the freedom to be responsible for our on actions.
i had been under the belief that it was a good idea, but i never really looked into it, or thought of it in the way you guys do
i personally do not need that much coverage in health care either, so the idea of paying for more than i need is not appealing
it seems to work pretty good in Canada, at least from what i have heard, i do not know
i dunno, universal healthcare wasnt something i was too concerned about as an issue anyways, which is why i didnt really have a strong opinion or look into it too much because in order to implement something that large in one term would be such a drastic change, it would never happen
Tracer Bullet wrote:i had been under the belief that it was a good idea, but i never really looked into it, or thought of it in the way you guys do
i personally do not need that much coverage in health care either, so the idea of paying for more than i need is not appealing
it seems to work pretty good in Canada, at least from what i have heard, i do not know
i dunno, universal healthcare wasnt something i was too concerned about as an issue anyways, which is why i didnt really have a strong opinion or look into it too much because in order to implement something that large in one term would be such a drastic change, it would never happen
this is why they call it insurance. your insuring that you will have coverage in case of an accident. this is why allot of people dont get it. they go well im not sich that much i dont need insurance. and then bam they get sick, bad but dont have the insurance. hell ive had car insurance for 15 years now paying every year but ive never had an accident. should i stop paying for car insurance just because ive never really used it? hell i could be living a way diffrent lifestyle if i droped my health dental eye car house life insurance policies and just spend all that extra money but i choose to take responsibility for me and my family and make sure we are all covered in case of something going wrong. and i feel like if i am responsible enough to take care of my family you should be responsible for taking care of yours. none of this we all put in a percentage so everyone is covered.
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that sounds like Freedom to me because is you who is taking the responsibility and not the government so you're a great American.
usually in 3rd world countries, after the government takes over utilities, water, health care, freedom, ect.. they privatise it.
