sndsgood wrote:GAM (The Kilted One) wrote:You have to understand something first Joey:
- As the pool of premium payers increases, the total fees they have to pay decreases.
- You're already paying a HELL of a lot of money to look after the crackheads etc.
It will work when someone pushes hard enough to make it happen.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Canada
any truth to long wait times to get into the doctor up there. ive heard of people making appointments 6 months in advance.
same here...also heard there really arent pediatricians, and kids go see general doctors....which you have to wait to get in for.
Joey Baggs (JCE Designs) wrote:sndsgood wrote:GAM (The Kilted One) wrote:You have to understand something first Joey:
- As the pool of premium payers increases, the total fees they have to pay decreases.
- You're already paying a HELL of a lot of money to look after the crackheads etc.
It will work when someone pushes hard enough to make it happen.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Canada
any truth to long wait times to get into the doctor up there. ive heard of people making appointments 6 months in advance.
same here...also heard there really arent pediatricians, and kids go see general doctors....which you have to wait to get in for.
come on gam shed some light on the subject.
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Okay, to get a family doctor, yes, there is a shortage, however that is being addressed by getting foreign doctors up to Canadian standards... Part of the reason we have a shortage is that US money is too tempting, you can get up to (I'm guessing here) $150,000 as a Canadian GP, and easily double that in the US...
As far as pediatricians, no, they're a speciality here just like in the US, and because most Doctors that come out of school here go south we're in a real crunch. Part of the problem is that we subsidize a huge amount of tuition for doctors, but we really don't expect them to stay here after they graduate. And to be sure, most US doctors don't want to come here to make less money. As far as kids going to see GPs, that doesn't usually happen unless they're going for clinic care... A lot of Pediatricians are accepting more patients and OHIP (ontario health insurance plan) is paying them a little more per patient as an incentive.
Part of the solution to the crunch is first to get foreign doctors up to Canadian standards, and second, there is a movement in Ontario and several other provinces to force medical doctors that are studying in the province to have to sign a contract that binds them to a Canadian hospital for a set amount of time. The US is going through a similar crunch with rural doctors too.
As a consequence, there are fairly long wait times, however I'll give you a personal for-instance just to illustrate why universal health-care works:
- In Canada, if you were to break your leg, once you got to the hospital (either by driving or a ride in an ambulance) you'd get registered in, get an initial assessment, and wait to see a doctor... wait times vary by area and time. Once you get assessed, x-rayed, bone set, casted and discharged, your total would be about $30 for the casting if you decided you wanted a fibreglass cast, and about $20 for a cane if you needed it. If you didn't have a vehicle, you'd get a taxi chit to get you home. Total time: about 3-4 hours, Total cost: about $50.
- In the US, same situation: You'd likely HAVE to take an ambulance if you didn't arrive at the hospital on your own. On admission, you're put in a private waiting exam room and charged $80 for this. You get assessed by the Admissions nurse, and then an ER doctor ($100) and fill out medical forms ($12 transcription fee), you're likely given an unnecessary analgesic ($8 for a couple Tylenol 3) or even a mild sedative ($15), You get your X-rays done ($130) and you see the osteopath ($200 depending on the severity). Once you're set, and casted ($90-$230 depending on the type of cast... some people want a CF cast these days... why I don't know, and get a cane for however much your pimp-budget allows), you're wheeled out to the curb where you get to call for a taxi, or get a patient transfer service ($75 usually) to ferry you home. Total time: about 1-2 hours. Total cost: $695.
This kind of care is usually covered by your health insurance plan, but laying your hands on between $700 and $1000 isn't something most people can do easily, and then get reimbursed later for... The total cost for the hospitals in Canada is much lower because of a couple reasons,but ultimately, we have a much broader base of payers as opposed to in the US, where you have people that will default on payments etc... I like to say that the medical profession isn't one you'll get filthy rich at in Canada, but we do have a bunch of plastic surgeons that are making a butt-load of money.
Transeat In Exemplum: Let this stand as the example.
but is it really working if you have a shortage of workers and your having to come up with laws to force doctors to stay in your country? ive heard of 6 month wait times to see doctors and me personally i like knowing that if my kid is sick (and he has had allot of respitory issues) that i can basically at anytime call my pediatricion and 9x out of 10 i can usually have my son sitting in the room with the doctor within the hour. i can make a call to them at 2am and within 15 minutes time im on the phone with the doctor discussing his condition.
does it cost more? yeah it does but i'd rather pay a bit more and know my son is okay. then to always be taking him to the e.r. and hoping i can get in to get him looked at and go "hey. ive saved a few dollars here".
as for the e.r. deal. i can go into the e.r. and not pay a dime. i dont have to pay and then get my insurance to reinbuse me. the only time that issue has arisen is when weve been at a ski resort and went to their medical facilities instead of the local hospital.
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Cheap, yes it is cheap and you get what you pay for.
if canadian's health care is so great, then why do they come to the States to receive health care. knowing that is expensive. and not just canadians, but Mexicans and people from around the world come to the the US to get receive health care.
Why?
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Like all the women who voted for Clinton because he was handsome. Or my fellow latino's who voted for Bush simply because he speaks spanish. I think voting without having even the slightest idea of what you're actually voting FOR is wrong.
But that's just my two dollars.
I agree with you. It is no different than women voting for Hillary just because she is a woman or african americans voting for obama just because of skin color. It is no different than voting for a canidate just because it is what your peers are doing.
There is only one reason you should vote for a canidate and that is because you beleive they are the best person to lead the country as a whole. If it would be beneficial to you but not to the country as a whole perhaps you should take a moment to rethink things from someone elses point of veiw.
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sndsgood wrote:but is it really working if you have a shortage of workers and your having to come up with laws to force doctors to stay in your country?
Well, let me put it to you this way:
Figure the state of California has about what, 250,000 doctors, right? Now, ask yourself what would happen if over half of those doctors (not including surgeons, anaesthetists, nurses etc) picked up and said "f**k it, I'm going to retire and go to Tahiti," and you also see that Texas public hospitals have started to pay doctors about 50% more money to practise. You have a MASS exodus of health care professionals, and all the patients are still there. You have a bunch of doctors in school, taking state funds in state schools and they have utterly NO intention of staying to practise medicine in CA, they're going to Texas immediately after graduating.
So, the 30 million people in California are screwed because at that point, they aren't getting any better, and they now have less people to do the work, and the people that are getting trained to do the work are going to be leaving immediately. Does that sound like a fair deal to you?
It sure as hell doesn't to me: part of my Provincial taxes are subsidizing world-class medical training to people that have no intention of living here and paying back part of the money I've sunk into their training in return.
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ive heard of 6 month wait times to see doctors and me personally i like knowing that if my kid is sick (and he has had allot of respitory issues) that i can basically at anytime call my pediatricion and 9x out of 10 i can usually have my son sitting in the room with the doctor within the hour. i can make a call to them at 2am and within 15 minutes time im on the phone with the doctor discussing his condition.
In the case of a serious disease or chronic ailment, you can get to see a specialist, and we have a decent amount of them here depending on the issue. Some of the less common health issues that don't show up all too often are another problem, I mean bare in mind, Canada is 30 million people in a country the size of the US, we have 10% the population, and we have less than 5% of the doctors, because they pull up stakes and move south once they graduate because of the money thing.
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does it cost more? yeah it does but i'd rather pay a bit more and know my son is okay. then to always be taking him to the e.r. and hoping i can get in to get him looked at and go "hey. ive saved a few dollars here".
It's not an issue of money we pay out of pocket, my tax bill is probably 30% higher than it would be in the US, but, I pay out over half my taxes for medical care, I just don't see it. I pay nothing for a hospital visit: I pay next to nothing for required medication for an acute condition, if you were in Canada, you'd only have to pay for your son's prescribed medication because it's a chronic condition.
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as for the e.r. deal. i can go into the e.r. and not pay a dime. i dont have to pay and then get my insurance to reinbuse me. the only time that issue has arisen is when weve been at a ski resort and went to their medical facilities instead of the local hospital.
For us, it wouldn't matter at all. You can't practise Acute care medicine privately, plus, the only things I have had to pay for during a hospital visit is a cane when I had my foot worked on, and parking. I didn't even have to pay all that much for the cane either ($12). As far as paper work, it's diagnostic questions and discharge information: billing is a joke.
Robby002 wrote:Cheap, yes it is cheap and you get what you pay for.
if canadian's health care is so great, then why do they come to the States to receive health care. knowing that is expensive. and not just canadians, but Mexicans and people from around the world come to the the US to get receive health care.
Why?
Depends.
Some want to skip the wait times and are willing to pay.
Some have a condition that there is no-one in Canada (or no one near) that can help: but in that case, it's usually paid for by the province's health plan.
Some are snow-birds, and they just get a US/Canada health insurance plan to cover the times they're in the US.
BTW, it's not "Cheap," we have to pay over half of our taxes into the provincial health plans. It's not cheap, it's invisible.
Transeat In Exemplum: Let this stand as the example.
OK... reasons for voting aside (although I do believe that you should be fully educated on all parties before you vote)
The president (of the USA anyway) really doesn't have that much power....
All they can really do is declare military action (not war), and veto bills.... that pretty much it for the most part...
Congress does everything else.... they have the real power...
About the only thing the president could do to help the US significantly is order the withdrawal of our troops from the middle east.
The President cant just say something like "you cant have guns anymore" and make it be so..... it doesn't work that way. Bills have to be started in the house of reps and in congress.... submitted, pushed through or not, and then vetoed or passed... most the time the president doesn't even see them.... all the president really does is govern our congress to a point by not allowing certain bills to pass..... for the most part... the president doesn't start them.... it works the other way around. Although this national security act is changing that a little and it's not a good thing (it's actually non constitutional)
It really doesn't matter who is elected president for the most part.... with the exception of us invading other countries or not.... you really wont see a difference in your life or in the country regardless of who is elected.
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The president (of the USA anyway) really doesn't have that much power....
Someone oughtta clue Gilligan in on that score... He's used Presidential signing statements to re-interpret or completely violate laws.
As far as it goes though, you're right, the OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT doesn't have all that much power in bigger scheme of things, but, when the President is Republican, the Congress is Republican, the Senate is Republican, and the Judicial branch is being staffed by very staunch Republican supporters (and favors extreme interpretations of the law), you don't have to be Krescan to figure out who's going to lead and who's going to follow in that particular political dance.
Fortunately, the Presidential Veto power is limited.
As far as the bill process, it doesn't HAVE to be started in the Congress... SEMA/PETA/WWF/etc. has model legislation as a way to bolster their causes: it's basically a legislative shortcut, and a LOT of these laws are introduced by congress, but they're not necessarily written by a congressperson, or even their office.
Transeat In Exemplum: Let this stand as the example.
I understand what your saying about the republicans having a monopoly....
OK... after typing what I did..... this is going to make me sound like I don't know what I'm talking about.... but for some reason I can't seem to remember one thing...
Are the democrats or republicans the conservative party? LOL I don't know why I can't freaking ever remember that.
It's reasons like this that I prefer coalition governments and multiple political parties. They are too busy fighting amongst themselves to actively screw the pooch on important matters.
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Isn't that the truth.. I'm sure Bush's campaign promise wasn't to totally screw your country over. But here we are.
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