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Re: McCain announces Sarah Palin...(who?) as his VP cadidate
Friday, September 12, 2008 6:49 AM on j-body.org
Wade: It's part of the reason I think there's a big chasm between both sides of the debate. I'm not particularly religious either (I had a divided household, Mom's side was fiercely protestant - Dad's equally roman catholic), and I don't like the idea of abortion for population control, but I prefer that rape/incest/health of the mother abortions be left alone and kept legal.

The other thing that I find kind of disturbing is that if abortions are made illegal, they'll still happen but in medically unsafe situations. As far as that is concerned, if it can kill the mother it's not an alternative. My personal opinion is that the reps have been trying to subjugate women's reproductive rights for a long time... basically since Roe vs. Wade was struck. Since the Carter administration every republican congress and senate has tried to pass a bill to limit abortion. I understand why (christian doctrine, or rather an interpretation of it), but I don't agree.

Not to create another oil debate that's going to go on for ages I'll just say that making all abortions illegal isn't a good idea, and combining that with teaching abstinence based sexual education is going to make things incredibly bad for the women and children. If more men (and let's face it, women as well) were responsible, this topic would be moot: I still prefer the idea that a medically safe abortion be the last option, with abstinence, and safer sex practices being the first and second respectively.

Hell, I'm with Ron White... instead of making Viagra or Cialis drug companies should make a pill that makes semen taste like chocolate. That would be an effective population control right thur.




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Re: McCain announces Sarah Palin...(who?) as his VP cadidate
Friday, September 12, 2008 11:17 AM on j-body.org
Palin asked about the Bush Doctrine... She doesn't know:

GIBSON: Do you agree with the Bush doctrine?

Quote:

PALIN: In what respect, Charlie?

GIBSON: The Bush -- well, what do you -- what do you interpret it to be?

PALIN: His world view?

GIBSON: No, the Bush doctrine, enunciated September 2002, before the Iraq war.

PALIN: I believe that what President Bush has attempted to do is rid this world of Islamic extremism, terrorists who are hell bent on destroying our nation. There have been blunders along the way, though. There have been mistakes made. And with new leadership, and that's the beauty of American elections, of course, and democracy, is with new leadership comes opportunity to do things better.

GIBSON: The Bush doctrine, as I understand it, is that we have the right of anticipatory self-defense, that we have the right to a preemptive strike against any other country that we think is going to attack us. Do you agree with that?

PALIN: Charlie, if there is legitimate and enough intelligence that tells us that a strike is imminent against American people, we have every right to defend our country. In fact, the president has the obligation, the duty to defend.




So everybody is supposed to know everything Bush has a policy on? Geez, asking for a little clarification about what area of government he's referring to doesn't mean she's stupid.
It was a poorly framed question. If he had said "As for defense, how to you feel about the Bush Doctrine?" At least you'd have a clue what he's fishing for.


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Consider what a diversity of views on the meaning of the Bush Doctrine can be found simply within the archives of ABC News itself:

September 20, 2001
PETER JENNINGS: . . . Claire, the president said at one point, 'From this day forward, any nation that continues to harbor or support terrorism will be regarded by the United States as a hostile regime.' Should we be taking that as the Bush doctrine? CLAIRE SHIPMAN reporting: I think so, Peter,

September 21, 2001
CHARLIE GIBSON: The president in his speech last night, very forceful. Four out of five Americans watched it. Everybody gathered around the television set last night. The president issued a series of demands to the Taliban, already rejected. We'll get to that in a moment. He also outlined what is being called the Bush Doctrine, a promise that all terrorists organizations with global reach will be found, stopped and defeated.

September 21, 2001
CHARLIE GIBSON: Senator Daschle, let me start with you. People were looking for a Bush Doctrine. They may have found it when he said the war on terror will not end until every terrorist group of global reach has been found, stopped or defeated. That's pretty broad. Broader than you expected?

December 9, 2001
GEORGE WILL: The Bush doctrine holds that anyone who governs a territory is complicit in any terrorism that issues from that territory. That covers the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. Second, the war on terrorism is indivisible, it's part of the Bush doctrine.

December 11, 2001
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: Two years ago, September 1999, Bush gave his first speech when he was running about terrorism. And his first--had the first explanation of the Bush doctrine, that if you harbor a terrorist, you're going to be attacked. The Bush White House is putting this out, saying it shows that Bush was very prescient, but that was only one speech given in the campaign.

January 28, 2002
BOB WOODWARD: This is now the Bush Doctrine . . . , namely that if we're attacked by terrorists, we will not just go after those terrorists but the countries or the people who harbor them.

January 29, 2002
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: It was striking and significant that the president really expanded the Bush doctrine. If a nation builds a weapon of mass destruction--Iraq, Iran or North Korea--we will reserve the right to take out those weapons even if we're not attacked or even if there's not a threat.

March 19, 2004
TERRY MORAN: That was the Bush doctrine we just heard. On this one-year anniversary of the invasion of Iraq, President Bush offered a very broad justification of American leadership in the world under him since 9/11. Not just since one year in Iraq. For American voters as an argument that the country is safer, but more as you point out, for the world, which has been divided by his leadership, that Iraq is knit, in his mind, very firmly into that war on terrorism. One omission which I believe will be noted around the world, he made no mention of the role of multilateral institutions, the UN and others, in this fight against terrorism. In his mind, it's clear it's American leadership with others following along.

May 7, 2006
GEORGE WILL: Now the argument from the right is the CIA is a rogue agent because it has not subscribed to the Bush doctrine. The Bush doctrine being that American security depends on the spread of democracy and we know how to do that. The trouble is, Negroponte, who is considered by some of these conservatives the villain here and an enemy of the Bush doctrine is the choice of Bush, which makes Bush an insufficient subscriber to the Bush doctrine.

I'll stop there, although anyone with a Nexis account can find far more where that came from. Preemptive war; American unilateralism; the overthrow of regimes that harbor and abet terrorists--all of these things and more have been described as the "Bush Doctrine." It was a bit of a sham on Gibson's part to have pretended that there's such a thing as 'the' Bush Doctrine, much less that it was enunciated in September 2002.


http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2008/09/what_exactly_is_the_bush_doctr.asp





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Re: McCain announces Sarah Palin...(who?) as his VP cadidate
Friday, September 12, 2008 11:40 AM on j-body.org
The Palin interview...
If this is going to be in DC, then...
Seriously this country can't afford this any more.



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Re: McCain announces Sarah Palin...(who?) as his VP cadidate
Friday, September 12, 2008 12:03 PM on j-body.org
Very well put Gary.





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Re: McCain announces Sarah Palin...(who?) as his VP cadidate
Friday, September 12, 2008 12:25 PM on j-body.org
I wouldn't expect her to try and define it, but I do think she should have known it related to terrorism somewhat. Her eventual reply should have been coming out of her mouth as soon as the reference was made.
Personally, I think his definition was quite a bit off base, just look at the other references...




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Re: McCain announces Sarah Palin...(who?) as his VP cadidate
Friday, September 12, 2008 1:53 PM on j-body.org
One question,

Have we been attacked on us soil again?

Chris



"An appeal to arms and the God of hosts is all that is left us. But we shall not fight our battle alone. There is a just God that presides over the destinies of nations. The battle sir, is not of the strong alone. Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death."

Speech at the Second Virginia Convention at St. John's Church in Richmond, Virginia (23 March 1775) Patrick Henry


Re: McCain announces Sarah Palin...(who?) as his VP cadidate
Friday, September 12, 2008 2:17 PM on j-body.org
john317(AKA Gary the Old guy) wrote:So everybody is supposed to know everything Bush has a policy on? Geez, asking for a little clarification about what area of government he's referring to doesn't mean she's stupid.
It was a poorly framed question. If he had said "As for defense, how to you feel about the Bush Doctrine?" At least you'd have a clue what he's fishing for.


Do we think everyone should know everything Bush has a policy on....well of course not, BUT don't you think she should have some sort of knowledge of the Bush Doctrine?! Come on.....you can tell she had no clue what he was even talking about. Ask the same question to Biden and I'm sure he could answer it.

I love how people are saying his questions were unfair, exceptionally rude, unprofessional, arrogant, condescending, etc. Bill O'Rielly was worse when he interviewed Obama, but he handled himself much better than she did.

OBAMA V. O'REILLY

Taetsch Z-24 wrote:One question,

Have we been attacked on us soil again?

Chris
Hmmm......they know that we are now watching closer I would assume. Don't you think they would attack us when and/or where we least expect it? They attacked London in 2005.....who knows where they will hit next.



Re: McCain announces Sarah Palin...(who?) as his VP cadidate
Friday, September 12, 2008 2:52 PM on j-body.org
Obamas answer to the "Bush Doctrine"

Gibson: And let me start with you, Senator Obama, because it was you who said, in your foreign policy speech, that you would go into Western Pakistan, if you had actionable intelligence, to go after him, whether or not the Pakistani government agreed. You stand by that?

OBAMA: I absolutely do stand by it, Charlie. What I said was that we should do everything in our power to push and cooperate with the Pakistani government in taking on Al Qaeda, which is now based in northwest Pakistan. And what we know from our national intelligence estimates is that Al Qaeda is stronger now than at any time since 2001.

And so, back in August, I said we should work with the Pakistani government, first of all to encourage democracy in Pakistan, so you've got a legitimate government that we're working with, and secondly, that we have to press them to do more to take on Al Qaeda in their territory. What I said was, if they could not or would not do so, and we had actionable intelligence, then I would strike.

And I should add that Lee Hamilton and Tom Keaton, the heads of the 9/11 Commission, a few months later wrote an editorial saying the exact same thing. I think it's indisputable that that should be our course.

Let me just add one thing, though. On the broader issue of nuclear proliferation, this is something that I've worked on since I've been in the Senate. I worked with Richard Lugar, then the Republican head of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, to pass the next stage of what was Nunn-Lugar, so that we would have improved interdiction of potentially nuclear materials.

And it is important for us to rebuild a nuclear nonproliferation strategy, something that this administration, frankly, has ignored, and has made us less safe as a consequence. It would not cost us that much, for example, and would take about four years for us to lock down the loose nuclear weapons that are still floating out there, and we have not done the job.

GIBSON: I'm going to go to the others in a moment, but what you just outlined is essentially the Bush doctrine: We can attack if we want to, no matter the sovereignty of the Pakistanis.

OBAMA: No, that is not the same thing, because here we have a situation where Al Qaeda, a sworn enemy of the United States, that killed 3,000 Americans and is currently plotting to do the same, is in the territory of Pakistan. We know that.

And so, you know, this is not speculation. This is not a situation where we anticipate a possible threat in the future. And my job as commander-in-chief will be to make sure that we strike anybody who would do America harm when we have actionable intelligence do to that.



http://mediamatters.org/items/200801080001

About the same answer...






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Re: McCain announces Sarah Palin...(who?) as his VP cadidate
Friday, September 12, 2008 5:09 PM on j-body.org
Tribals wrote:....who knows where they will hit next.
I'm predicting DC either the day before or after elections.
john317(AKA Gary the Old guy) wrote:http://mediamatters.org/items/200801080001
About the same answer...
Are you serious, or insulting our intelligence? One talks about preemptive strikes (like the Bush Doctrine), and the other about a retaliatory strike - far from the same thing.




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Re: McCain announces Sarah Palin...(who?) as his VP cadidate
Friday, September 12, 2008 6:55 PM on j-body.org
Taetsch Z-24 wrote:One question,

Have we been attacked on us soil again?

Chris

Question: was losing 5000 US service personnel worth it?

Question: Do you think that McCain or Palin would be any more or less likely to drop the ball again?




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Re: McCain announces Sarah Palin...(who?) as his VP cadidate
Friday, September 12, 2008 7:57 PM on j-body.org
GAM (The Kilted One) wrote:
Taetsch Z-24 wrote:One question,

Have we been attacked on us soil again?

Chris

Question: was losing 5000 US service personnel worth it?


why didn't you answer me?

Chris




"An appeal to arms and the God of hosts is all that is left us. But we shall not fight our battle alone. There is a just God that presides over the destinies of nations. The battle sir, is not of the strong alone. Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death."

Speech at the Second Virginia Convention at St. John's Church in Richmond, Virginia (23 March 1775) Patrick Henry



Re: McCain announces Sarah Palin...(who?) as his VP cadidate
Friday, September 12, 2008 10:45 PM on j-body.org
Taetsch Z-24 wrote:
GAM (The Kilted One) wrote:
Taetsch Z-24 wrote:One question,

Have we been attacked on us soil again?

Chris

Question: was losing 5000 US service personnel worth it?


why didn't you answer me?

Chris


He did. Why didn't you answer him?



Re: McCain announces Sarah Palin...(who?) as his VP cadidate
Saturday, September 13, 2008 5:20 AM on j-body.org
No he did not.

Chris




"An appeal to arms and the God of hosts is all that is left us. But we shall not fight our battle alone. There is a just God that presides over the destinies of nations. The battle sir, is not of the strong alone. Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death."

Speech at the Second Virginia Convention at St. John's Church in Richmond, Virginia (23 March 1775) Patrick Henry


Re: McCain announces Sarah Palin...(who?) as his VP cadidate
Saturday, September 13, 2008 5:28 AM on j-body.org
Quote:

Are you serious, or insulting our intelligence? One talks about preemptive strikes (like the Bush Doctrine), and the other about a retaliatory strike - far from the same thing.



Finally,somone really pays attention to details.

After watching thIs a few more times I think she did a great job of answering. I think she just threw the dagger back at Charlie so fast he almost gagged on his own spit and he couldn't collect his thoughts fast enough.

If you don't think she had watched some tapes of his other interviews/debates to be ready for this I'd bet your worng...


Just a little more research, Charlie Gibson apparently was referring to the Bush doctrine as of Sept. 2002. That doctrine is out of date. Actually Ms. Palin, while not 100% correct, was more on target than Mr. Gibson.

Attached is an article which explains the Bush doctrine as of 2005.

Bush Doctrine? Old American Doctrine!
© 2005, IRED.Com, Inc., Simeon Mitropolitski
Simeon Mitropolitski.

"So it is the policy of the United States to seek and support the growth of democratic movements and institutions in every nation and culture, with the ultimate goal of ending tyranny in our world." U.S. President Bush

In the U.S. foreign policy there were many doctrines named after sitting presidents. When the current president G.W. Bush announced last week that his policy would be to seek and support democratic movements around the world that was looked upon as no less than a radical shift in the U.S. foreign policy. Looking at so many comments that share this premise, it's necessary to open the history textbooks in order to make some important corrections.

Seeking and supporting liberty and having the ultimate goal of ending the tyranny in the world are some of the basic premises of the American Revolution. From the beginning it wasn't only about making America safe for liberty. It was considered as political lab that could have repercussions for the world as s whole. The experiment in the U.S. was more than successful; the experiment in the world is so far inconclusive. What indisputably we have is freedom existing in many large countries, which contradicts the 18th century political philosophy assumptions.

19th century, which usually was depicted as an "age of isolationism", in fact didn't isolate the American public opinion from what was going on in the world. The American response to the national liberation movements in Latin America was the famous "Monroe doctrine". Now the left looks at it as symbol of the U.S. neo-imperialism, but at the time it was hailed by all revolutionaries in the world. Look at the American newspapers from the mid-19th century onward and you won't find any article hailing tyrants and condemning the national movements. The American public had made its mind and it was to support morally the freedom around the world.

Jumping ahead we reach the famous WWI statement by the president W. Wilson that the U.S. must enter the war and join the forces of all freedom-loving nations to make the world "safe for democracy". Why? He argues that democracy makes the wars unlikely. More democracies among the nations mean less wars, deaths and destruction. That was 1917.

Another leap ahead in time. Another president-democrat F.D. Roosevelt makes explicit link between the popular governments and peace. His child, the United Nations, must prevent new wars by making nations join together forces. His successor Truman makes in 1947 his famous doctrine that explicitly links the freedom in remote countries like Greece and Turkey with the freedom at home. 15 years later another president democrat J.F. Kennedy makes inevitable the peaceful decolonization by strongly supporting liberation movements and condemning colonial oppressors.

Do we have to go even further and see the president-republican Reagan naming the USSR "Empire of evil" and calling for liberation of its millions slaves despite its thousands of nuclear weapons? How can we name this policy apart from supporting freedom?

In short, what some have already called "Bush doctrine" is in reality the "American doctrine". It's about making possible for every man and woman on this planet to enjoy the fruits of their hard labor, to obey the laws they have taken part to promote, to live in dignity and respect within their communities. The means to achieve this goal may slightly differ from military intervention to stop wars and genocide to diplomatic pressures but the goal remains the same. There should be no doubts the Americans will live much happier in a world of free people. That isn't just a dream of one man sitting in the Oval Office no matter how influential he is. This dream lives for more than 2 centuries and that's the guarantee that it will live long after the current administration is part of the future history textbooks.







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Re: McCain announces Sarah Palin...(who?) as his VP cadidate
Saturday, September 13, 2008 9:51 AM on j-body.org
Taetsch Z-24 wrote:No he did not.

Chris


Quote:

rhetorical: 1 a: of, relating to, or concerned with rhetoric b: employed for rhetorical effect ; especially : asked merely for effect with no answer expected <a rhetorical question>


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implied: 4: to express indirectly <his silence implied consent>








Re: McCain announces Sarah Palin...(who?) as his VP cadidate
Saturday, September 13, 2008 9:51 AM on j-body.org
john317(AKA Gary the Old guy) wrote:Actually Ms. Palin, while not 100% correct, was more on target than Mr. Gibson.
I already said that
OHV notec wrote:I think his definition was quite a bit off base
Although, I still wouldn't call it a great interview on her part, and I still don't agree with the Doctrine itself.




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Re: McCain announces Sarah Palin...(who?) as his VP cadidate
Saturday, September 13, 2008 12:00 PM on j-body.org
Bad Ace Design wrote:
Taetsch Z-24 wrote:No he did not.

Chris


Quote:

rhetorical: 1 a: of, relating to, or concerned with rhetoric b: employed for rhetorical effect ; especially : asked merely for effect with no answer expected


Quote:

implied: 4: to express indirectly


hey, with all that pussey footing around, you could run for office on a democratic ticket!

Chris




"An appeal to arms and the God of hosts is all that is left us. But we shall not fight our battle alone. There is a just God that presides over the destinies of nations. The battle sir, is not of the strong alone. Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death."

Speech at the Second Virginia Convention at St. John's Church in Richmond, Virginia (23 March 1775) Patrick Henry


Re: McCain announces Sarah Palin...(who?) as his VP cadidate
Saturday, September 13, 2008 12:22 PM on j-body.org
Taetsch Z-24 wrote:hey, with all that pussey footing around, you could run for office on a democratic ticket!
And with your consistent inability to see below the surface, you could run for infantry!




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Re: McCain announces Sarah Palin...(who?) as his VP cadidate
Saturday, September 13, 2008 12:27 PM on j-body.org
ya.......another person that has yet do anything with his life.

sweet!

Chris




"An appeal to arms and the God of hosts is all that is left us. But we shall not fight our battle alone. There is a just God that presides over the destinies of nations. The battle sir, is not of the strong alone. Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death."

Speech at the Second Virginia Convention at St. John's Church in Richmond, Virginia (23 March 1775) Patrick Henry


Re: McCain announces Sarah Palin...(who?) as his VP cadidate
Saturday, September 13, 2008 12:34 PM on j-body.org
Taetsch Z-24 wrote:ya.......another person that has yet do anything with his life.
Since you seem to firmly believe that the only way someone can "do something" with their life is enlist in the military...I'll take that as a compliment




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Re: McCain announces Sarah Palin...(who?) as his VP cadidate
Saturday, September 13, 2008 12:59 PM on j-body.org
No, Do ANYTHING for SOMEONE, but you seem to be a hippy collage kid.

normal...

anywho, lets look at some quotes, from another nation, in another time a strife.

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You have enemies? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.


Quote:

Courage is the first of human qualities because it is the quality that guarantees all the others.


Quote:

If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.


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I never worry about action, but only about inaction


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Danger - if you meet it promptly and without flinching - you will reduce the danger by half. Never run away from anything. Never!


Quote:

Kites rise highest against the wind, not with it.


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There is no such thing as public opinion. There is only published opinion


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If you're not Liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not Conservative when you're 35, you have no brain.


If all goes well, and i have yet to MEET someone that wants otherwise, McCane will be elected for a 8 year term, shortly fallowed by Palin.

Chris




"An appeal to arms and the God of hosts is all that is left us. But we shall not fight our battle alone. There is a just God that presides over the destinies of nations. The battle sir, is not of the strong alone. Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death."

Speech at the Second Virginia Convention at St. John's Church in Richmond, Virginia (23 March 1775) Patrick Henry



Re: McCain announces Sarah Palin...(who?) as his VP cadidate
Saturday, September 13, 2008 1:34 PM on j-body.org
Taetsch Z-24 wrote:No, Do ANYTHING for SOMEONE, but you seem to be a hippy collage kid.
Damn, I forgot that anyone who goes into college instead of the military is a hippie. And also that it is not possible to do anything related to the outside world while in college... It's not like college students live in a BioDome watching Michael Moore movies on their iPhones 24/7 (although many do ).
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You have enemies? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.
Until everyone is your enemy, then you may want to question if you are standing up... or throwing punches.
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Courage is the first of human qualities because it is the quality that guarantees all the others.

I'm going to be honest, I'm not sure how to reply to this one, but not from a lack of courage, lol.
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If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.
Damn you Bill Clinton!
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I never worry about action, but only about inaction
Damn you Bill Clinton!
And for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction... See, I can quote, too.
Quote:

Danger - if you meet it promptly and without flinching - you will reduce the danger by half. Never run away from anything. Never!
Damn you Bill Clinton! Although, I'd be the first to run from the charging bulls in Pamplona...sometimes intelligence and intuition MUST trump outright bravery.
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Kites rise highest against the wind, not with it.
I'm not about to argue this one, every meaning I can draw from this I agree with 100%. Doesn't show infantry in a very good light though, proving every rule/theory/belief must have an exception.
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There is no such thing as public opinion. There is only published opinion
It's funny how when you buy what is given to you, you are a sheep; but when you don't, you are an extremist. You can't win.
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If you're not Liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not Conservative when you're 35, you have no brain.

Oh well, I've already farked that one up.
Taetsch Z-24 wrote:If all goes well, and i have yet to MEET someone that wants otherwise, McCane will be elected for a 8 year term, shortly fallowed by Palin.
I live in AZ, so I know many McCain supporters, but I have yet to meet anyone who believes Palin has any business working in the Oval Office. My biggest concern with McCain was that his answer to everything is military-related. But now, I'm more afraid of what would happen when he croaks and Palin takes the lead. Don't get me wrong, I'm afraid of what Obama might try, but am satisfied that there are enough down-to-earth people in DC that will be willing to put him in his place when necessary.




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Re: McCain announces Sarah Palin...(who?) as his VP cadidate
Saturday, September 13, 2008 8:29 PM on j-body.org
Guessing ya don't know who's quotes those are?

A Man's true charter can only be measured in great strife, along with a nations people. Luckily we did rise to the occasion.

Chris


"An appeal to arms and the God of hosts is all that is left us. But we shall not fight our battle alone. There is a just God that presides over the destinies of nations. The battle sir, is not of the strong alone. Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death."

Speech at the Second Virginia Convention at St. John's Church in Richmond, Virginia (23 March 1775) Patrick Henry


Re: McCain announces Sarah Palin...(who?) as his VP cadidate
Saturday, September 13, 2008 8:49 PM on j-body.org
Churchill.
I was attempting to show that regardless of who said it, EVERYTHING has an exception. Looking at the world in black and white, you will not ignore the details, but miss them altogether.




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