There are so many retards in here we could have our own special olympics.
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and I'm NOT a pedo. everyone knows i've got a wheelchair fetish.
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It is unjust and unfair why should the "rich" have to pay more that isn't fair.
OMFG.... go cry into your 1200 thread count Ralph Lauren pillow.
I can't believe you actually said that...... I understand the logic behind from what your saying.... but jesus.
Try sitting at home going over your finances after working your ass off all day just to find out that you have to decide between gas money or the electric bill..... all while a little less money taken out of your check would mean your kids dont have to go to bed hungry....
Now compare that to someone that makes WELL over $100k a year...... omg.... you have to pay a few hundred dollars more a month in taxes... but you can still afford the payment on your Porsche without even having to double check your checkbook ..... ya........ thats terrible.
People that make more money...... pay more taxes...... thats the way it should be. BECAUSE THEY CAN AFFORD IT.... they call it a percentage for a reason.
As for the god thing....... I believe that "god" should be kept out of the government... and public in general..... keep it in your home, and in church.
Also.... as far as being Muslim having anything to do with being white or black.... it doesn't..... plenty of white people are Muslim.... so that argument is worthless.
Oh..... btw.... I know an ex crack head..... that cleaned up years ago and is a damn good person..... and is actually one of the more kind minded and responsible people I know..... so judging someone on there past mistakes is worthless if they learned from them and changed there life for the better.
Another thing..... some people here already know this..... but I'm one of the more anti government "conspiracy asshat" people on this site..... and I can see though all this BS.... so why cant you people.
Although.... I've finally decided to use my 154 IQ to actually think into these things.... instead of just believing what I want to...... maybee some of you should try that.
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Ok so you understand there are three lawsuits about this invilving different parts. Second the U.S. Supreme court is meeting to discuss this so sorry to tell you but it is on the agenda.
Try again...
Two cases both denied
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No. 08A391
Title:
Philip J. Berg, Applicant
v.
Barack Obama, et al.
Docketed:
Lower Ct: United States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit
Case Nos.: (08-4340)
~~~Date~~~ ~~~~~~~Proceedings and Orders~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Oct 31 2008 Application (08A391) for an injunction pending disposition of the petition for a writ of certiorari, submitted to Justice Souter.
Nov 3 2008 Supplemental brief of applicant Philip J. Berg filed.
Nov 3 2008 Application (08A391) denied by Justice Souter.
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No. 08-570
Title:
Philip J. Berg, Petitioner
v.
Barack Obama, et al.
Docketed: October 31, 2008
Lower Ct: United States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit
Case Nos.: (08-4340)
Rule 11
~~~Date~~~ ~~~~~~~Proceedings and Orders~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Oct 30 2008 Petition for a writ of certiorari before judgment filed. (Response due December 1, 2008)
Oct 31 2008 Application (08A391) for an injunction pending disposition of the petition for a writ of certiorari, submitted to Justice Souter.
Nov 3 2008 Supplemental brief of applicant Philip J. Berg filed.
Nov 3 2008 Application (08A391) denied by Justice Souter.
Nov 18 2008 Waiver of right of respondents Federal Election Commission, et al. to respond filed.
http://www.supremecourtus.gov/oral_arguments/hearinglist.html
Don't see him on the list for Nov or Dec for Oral Arguments
Or scheduled at all DEC, JAN or other wise...
http://www.abanet.org/publiced/preview/briefs/home.html
Philip Berg is the no talent ass clown who started this whole mess
this is so pathetic its hilarous
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Yes it is LOL
Maybee I'll do some more homework on this stuff just for fun though...
For all you Muslim hating people that dont read.....
Doesn't seem much different from Christianity than Judaism to me...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim
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A Muslim (Arabic: مسلم
, pronounced /ˈmʊslɪm/, is an adherent of the religion of Islam. The feminine form is Muslimah[1] (Arabic: مسلمة. Literally, the word means "one who submits (to God)". Muslim is the participle of the same verb of which Islām is the infinitive.[2] Muslims believe that there is only one God, translated in Arabic as Allāh. Muslims believe that Islam existed long before Muhammad and that the religion had evolved with time from the time of Adam until the time of Muhammad and was completed with the revelation of verse 3 of Surah al-Maeda:
This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion.
The Qur'an describes many Biblical prophets and messengers as Muslim: Adam, Noah (Arabic: Nuh), Moses (Arabic: Mūsā and Jesus (Arabic: ˤĪsā and his apostles. The Qur'ān states that these men were Muslims because they submitted to God, preached his message and upheld his values. Thus, in Surah 3:52 of the Qur'ān, Jesus’ disciples tell Jesus, "We believe in God; and you be our witness that we submit and obey (wa ashahadu bil-muslimūna)."
Most Muslims consider making ritual prayer five times a day a religious duty (fard) (see the section on Ismāˤīlīs below for exceptions); these five prayers are known as fajr, dhuhr, ˤasr, maghrib and ˤishā'. There is also a special Friday prayer called jumuˤah. Currently, the number of Muslims is estimated to be between 1.25 and 1.84 billion.[3][4][5]
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Arabic muslimun is the stem IV participle[6] of the triliteral S-L-M "to be whole, intact". A literal translation would be "one who wants or seeks wholeness", where "wholeness" translates islāmun. In a religious sense, Al-Islām translates to "faith, piety", and Muslim to "one who has (religious) faith or piety".
The feminine form of muslimun is muslimatun (Arabic: مسلمة.
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Muslim and mu'min
One of the verses in the Qur'an makes a distinction between a mu'min, a believer, and a Muslim:
The Arabs of the desert say, "We believe." (tu/minu) Say thou: Ye believe not; but rather say, "We profess Islam;" (aslamna) for the faith (al-imanu) hath not yet found its way into your hearts. But if ye obey [God] and His Apostle, he will not allow you to lose any of your actions: for [God] is Indulgent, Merciful ('The Koran 49:14, Rodwell).
According to the academician Carl Ernst, contemporary usage of the terms "Islam" and "Muslim" for the faith and its adherents is a modern innovation. As shown in the Quranic passage cited above, early Muslims distinguished between the Muslim, who has "submitted" and does the bare minimum required to be considered a part of the community, and the mu'min, the believer, who has given himself or herself to the faith heart and soul. Ernst writes:
"The Arabic term Islam itself was of relatively minor importance in classical theologies based on the Qur'an. If one looks at the works of theologians such as the famous al-Ghazali (d. 1111), the key term of religious identity is not Islam but iman(faith), and the one who possesses it is the mu'min (believer). Faith is one of the major topics of the Qur'an; it is mentioned hundreds of times in the sacred text. In comparison, Islam is a relatively less common term of secondary importance; it only occurs eight times in the Qur'an. Since, however, the term Islam had a derivative meaning relating to the community of those who have submitted to God, it has taken on a new political significance, especially in recent history."[10]
For another term in Islam for a non-Muslim who is a monotheist believer (usually applied historically in a pre-Islamic context), see hanif.
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Allah
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Name of Allāh written in Arabic calligraphy by 17th century Ottoman artist Hâfız Osman
For other uses, see Allah (disambiguation).
This article is about the Arabic word "Allah". For the Islamic conception of God, see God in Islam.
Arabic
الله
Transliteration
Allāh
Translation
God
Allah (Arabic: الله, Allāh, IPA: [ʔalˤːɑːh] pronunciation (help·info)) is the standard Arabic word for 'God.'[1] While the term is best known in the West for its use by Muslims as a reference to God, it is used by Arabic-speakers of all Abrahamic faiths, including Christians and Jews, in reference to "God".[2][1][3] The term was also used by pagan Meccans as a reference to the creator-god, possibly the supreme deity in pre-Islamic Arabia.[4]
The concepts associated with the term Allah (as a deity) differ among the traditions. In pre-Islamic Arabia amongst pagan Arabs, Allah was not the sole divinity, having associates and companions, sons and daughters, a concept strongly opposed by Islam. In Islam, the name Allah is the supreme and all-comprehensive divine name. All other divine names are believed to refer back to Allah.[5] Allah is unique, the only Deity, creator of the universe and omnipotent.[2][1] Arab Christians today, having no other word for 'God' than Allah,[6] use terms such as Allāh al-'Ab ( الله الأب "God the Father". There are both similarities and differences between the concept of God as portrayed in the Qur'an and the Hebrew Bible.[7]
Unicode has a codepoint reserved for Allāh, ﷲ = U+FDF2.[8] Many Arabic type fonts feature special ligat
Pre-Islamic Arabia
In pre-Islamic Arabia, Allah was used by Meccans as a reference to the creator-god, possibly the supreme deity.[12] Allah was not the sole divinity and the notion of the term may have been vague in the Meccan religion.[4] Allah had associates and companions, whom pre-Islamic Arabs considered as subordinate deities. Meccans held that a kind of kinship existed between Allah and the jinn.[13] Allah had sons[14] and the local deities of al-‘Uzzá, Manāt and al-Lāt were his daughters.[15] The Meccans possibly associated angels with Allah.[16][17] Allah was invoked in times of distress.[18][17] Muhammad's father's name was ʿAbdallāh meaning the “servant of Allāh.” or "the slave of Allāh"[17]
[edit] Muslims
Main article: God in Islam
See also: Names of God in the Qur'an
In Islam, Allah is the proper name of God,[11] and humble submission to His Will, Divine Ordinances and Commandments is the pivot of the Muslim faith.[1] "He is the only God, creator of the universe, and the judge of humankind."[2][1] "He is unique (wahid) and inherently one (ahad), all-merciful and omnipotent."[1] The Qur'an insists upon "the reality of Allah, His inaccessible mystery, His various names, and His actions on behalf of His creatures."[1]
Allah script outside Eski Cami (The Old Mosque) in Edirne, Turkey.
According to the tradition of Islam there are 99 Names of God (al-asma al-husna lit. meaning: "The best names") each of which evoke a distinct characteristic of Allah.[19][2] All these names refer to Allah, the supreme and all-comprehensive divine name.[5] Among the 99 names of God, the most famous and most frequent of these names are "the Merciful" (al-rahman) and "the Compassionate" (al-rahim).[19][2]
Most Muslims use the untranslated Arabic phrase "insha' Allah" (meaning "God willing") after references to future events.[20] Muslim discursive piety encourages beginning things with the invocation of "bismillah"(meaning "In the name of God").[21]
Muslims are recommended to repeat phrases like "Subhan-Allah" (Holiness be to God), "Alhamdulillah" (Praise be to God), "La-il-la-ha-illa-Allah" (There is no deity but God) and "Allāhu Akbar" (God is great) as a devotional exercise of remembering God (zikr).[22] In a Sufi practice known as zikr Allah (lit. remembrance of God), the Sufi repeats and contemplates on the name Allah or other divine names while controlling his or her breath.[23]
[edit] Others
Arabic-speakers of all Abrahamic faiths, including Christians and Jews, use the word "Allah" to mean "God".[3] The Christian Arabs of today have no other word for 'God' than 'Allah'.[6] Arab Christians for example use terms Allāh al-ab (الله الأب meaning God the father, Allāh al-ibn (الله الابن mean God the son, and Allāh al-rūḥ al qudus (الله الروح القدس meaning God the Holy Spirit (See God in Christianity for the Christian concept of God).
Arab Christians have used two forms of invocations that were affixed to the beginning of their written works. They adopted the Muslim basm-allah, and also created their own Trinitized basm-allah as early as the eight century CE.[24] The Muslim basm-allah reads: "In the name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful." The Trinitized basm-allah reads: "In the name of Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, One God." The Syriac, Latin and Greek invocations do not have the words "One God" at the end. This addition was made to emphasize the monotheistic aspect of Trinitian belief and also to make it more palatable to Muslims.[24]
According to Marshall Hodgson, it seems that in the pre-Islamic times, some Arab Christians made pilgrimage to the Kaaba, a pagan temple at that time, honoring Allah there as God the Creator.[25]
[edit] Other usage
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The history of the word "Allāh" in English was probably influenced by the study of comparative religion in 19th century; for example, Thomas Carlyle (1840) sometimes used the term Allah but without any implication that Allah was anything different from God. However, in his biography of Muhammad (1934), Tor Andræ always used the term Allah, though he allows that this 'conception of God' seems to imply that it is different from that of the Jewish and Christian theologies. By this time Christians were also becoming accustomed to retaining the Hebrew term "Yahweh" untranslated (it was previously translated as 'the Lord').[26]
Languages which may not commonly use the term Allah to denote a deity may still contain popular expressions which use the word. For example, because of the centuries long Muslim presence in the Iberian Peninsula, the word ojalá in the Spanish language and oxalá in the Portuguese language exist today, borrowed from Arabic (Arabic: إن شاء الله. This word literally means "God willing" (in the sense of "I hope so").[27]
Some Muslims leave the name "Allāh" untranslated in English.[28] Sometimes this comes from a zeal for the Arabic text of the Qur'an and sometimes with a more or less conscious implication that the God that Jews and Christians worship is not completely true in its details.[29] Conversely, the usage of the term Allah by English speaking non-Muslims in reference to the God in Islam, Marshall G. S. Hodgson says, can imply that Muslims are worshiping a mythical god named 'Allah' rather than God, the creator. This usage is therefore appropriate, Hodgson says, only for those who are prepared to accept its theological implications.[29]
And for all of you that just have to see a birth certifercate.......
BAM!......
It wasn't hard to find...
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An anti-tax activist from upstate New York who is questioning whether President-elect Barack Obama is a "natural born citizen" eligible for the nation's top job said Tuesday that his non-profit group spent "tens of thousands of dollars" to get his message across in ads in the Chicago Tribune this week.
Robert L. Schulz, 69, chairman of We The People Foundation, took out ads Monday and Wednesday to raise questions about whether Obama's Hawaii certificate of live birth is authentic.
The ads echo accusations circulated online by some Obama opponents before the election. Cases challenging Obama's citizenship have been tossed out of local courts in several states, and Hawaiian officials have vouched for the authenticity of Obama's birth certificate, which is locked in a state vault. The Obama campaign likewise has always dismissed the accusations.
Nevertheless, some critics remain dubious.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/nationworld/sfl-chi1203obama-citizenship-challenged,0,6297587.story
^^^^
That link debunks many things and yet how many of these people who swear "Obama isn't a citizen blah blah blah" will even bother to click on it? Even if they did, they won't believe it still. You just can't prove some people wrong to themselves - if Jesus came down from the heavens and proclaimed the birth certificate valid it still wouldn't be enough for these people. The denial runs so deep because - what they might have wholeheartedly believed(with no real evidence I might add) - may actually be false, and they simply cannot process the notion.
Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in
America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the
country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along,
whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist
dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the
leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and
denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the
same in any country. - Hermann Goring
^^^ Thats what happens when fear meets ignorance.
I printed out a copy of the certificate to bring to work btw LOL
OMFG...... bs loophole after BS freaking made up loophole.
If it's a legal document.... thats all that matters.... christ. And ther'res a reason I posted that cert... BECAUSE THATS THE ONE RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC... One can be used for the other.
Do some of you tards really think that if he really wasnt a U.S. born citizen that he would have made it this far? .... I'm pretty damn sure they check up on stuff like that when someone runs for president.
F-ing sore loosers.
Some of you people need to accept that he's going to be pres and ther'res nothing you can do about it.... so STFU.
And how about this..
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Birth certificates in the United States
In the U.S. vital statistics is a state function, because it is not a power assigned by the constitution to the federal government. Nonetheless, the federal and state governments have cooperated to improve vital statistics. From 1900 to 1946 the U.S. Census Bureau designed standard birth certificates, collected vital statistics on a national basis, and generally sought to improve the accuracy of vital statistics. In 1946 that responsibility was passed to the U.S. Public Health Service. Unlike the British system of recording all births in "registers", the states file an individual document for each and every birth. In most states, this document was, and still is, entitled a "Certificate of Live Birth". [3][4]
In the U.S., the U.S. National Center for Health Statistics creates standard forms that are recommended for use by the individual states to document births. However, states are free to create their own forms. [5] These "forms" are completed by the attendant at birth or a hospital administrator, which are then forwarded to a local or state registrar, who stores the record and issues certified copies when requested [1].
[edit] Types of certified copies issued
[edit] Long forms
Sample of a long form birth certificate
Long forms, also known as certified photocopies, book copies, and photostat copies, are exact photocopies of the original birth record that was prepared by the hospital or attending physician at the time of the child's birth [6]. The long form usually includes parents' information (address of residence, race, birth place, date of birth, etc.), additional information on the child's birthplace, and information on the doctors that assisted in the birth of the child. The long form also usually includes the signature of the doctor involved and at least one of the parents [7].
Long forms may become obsolete in years to come, as many states have begun to use Electronic Birth Registration systems [8]. The use of these systems will enable information typically seen on certified copies (long forms) to be available in computer databases that typically issue short form certificates, thus eliminating the need for "hard copy" long form certificates and having all birth information stored in computer databases only. This benefits parents in many ways; registration can be completed via computer at the hospital, meaning that parents can stop by their Vital Statistics office on the way home from the hospital to purchase the birth certificate instantly [9]. It also means that the extra cost for long form certificates will no longer be a factor.
[edit] Short forms
Sample of a short form birth certificate (certification of birth)
Short forms, known sometimes as computer certifications, are not universally available, but are cheaper than photocopies and much more easily accessible. Limited information is taken from the original birth record (the long form) and stored in a database that can be accessed quickly when birth certificates are needed in a short amount of time. Whereas the long form is a copy of the actual birth certificate, a short form is a document that certifies the existence of such certificate, and is usually titled a "Certification of Birth" or "Certificate of Live Birth". The short form typically includes the child's name, date of birth, sex, and place of birth, although some also include the names of the child's parents. When the certification does include the names of the parents, it can be used in lieu of a long form birth certificate in almost all circumstances [6]. Nearly all states in the U.S. issue short forms certifications, on both state and local levels [10].
[edit] Other forms
In addition to short forms and long forms, many registration authorities also have wallet-sized short form birth certifications available, and apostille/exemplified certifications which are hand signed by the registrar and are to be used when being presented before the government of a foreign country, pursuant to the 1961 Hague Convention. Other registration authorities will even issue commemorative certificates, many of which are legal certifications of birth [11].
Most hospitals in the U.S. issue a souvenir birth certificate which typically includes the footprints of the newborn. However, these birth certificates are not legally accepted as proof of age or citizenship, and are frequently rejected by the Bureau of Consular Affairs during passport applications. Many Americans believe these souvenir records to be their official birth certificate, when in reality it holds little legal value [12].
African is a race?
Hmmm
In the 60's no less
Chris
"An appeal to arms and the God of hosts is all that is left us. But we shall not fight our battle alone. There is a just God that presides over the destinies of nations. The battle sir, is not of the strong alone. Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death."
Speech at the Second Virginia Convention at St. John's Church in Richmond, Virginia (23 March 1775) Patrick Henry
M-1 Erma Jean maybe you should do more research on health care. You have stated that people that eat fast food or have poor hygiene should take care of their own. While that is a valid argument. What about people with Cancer who never had a chance or another born deficiency. Life is not always certain and all men are certainly not created with the same health as others. Not every American is born into wealth, and some have a hard time going to the top. I have seen people work hard and never become successful. They say its who you know or who knows you that gets you that high paying position, regardless of how good you are at how well you do your work. Life is not always certain and instead of helping our own neighbor and making every person in America health care free you strike it. I can see how you feel about spending your Tax dollars for another mans health. What other useless things have we wasted our Tax dollars on.
Giving money to france*
Chris
"An appeal to arms and the God of hosts is all that is left us. But we shall not fight our battle alone. There is a just God that presides over the destinies of nations. The battle sir, is not of the strong alone. Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death."
Speech at the Second Virginia Convention at St. John's Church in Richmond, Virginia (23 March 1775) Patrick Henry
Welfare that goes unchecked. I cant stand watching someone using a bridge card (or whatever the @!#$ the government card is called) to buy groceries get into a @!#$ new Cadillac. Every time some one brings up a proposal to include random drug and alcohol testing, limitations on length of assistance, and work aid programs we get to hear a @!#$ load of bitching about how that isnt fair to the people on government aid. Some people deserve it but far to many abuse it and it comes out of the tax money that everyone that is working has to pay.
Well just to clear the air yes I work for my money. I drive a Sunfire so I guess it should be easy to see that I am not spoiled. I know all people aren't born into wealth, My grandfather had nothing I mean nothing he was the youngest in his family worked on a farm and paid for his college. He worked hard as hell and worked up a ladder to run a company. He has given me what I have and I use that to get higher and help more. I didn't have everything either and there were times that money was tough for my family as well. So screw off with your ignorant stereotypical come back. I thought profiling was bad Weebel.
No if a man cares for his life he will take care of himself. I have experienced the need for health insurance my cousin had MD which has crippled him and will more than likely kill him before he becomes 18, my cousin was born with it. So yes know people cannot simply choose good health but that doesn't mean people can't take care of themselves and as well save their money for an emergency.
I quote Clarence Thomas, ( A U.S. Judge)
My grandfather was once a slave and came from nothing and always saved for a rainy day. He was always ready for a rainy day and it was suprising that there usually weren't rainy days.
If people want help they have to help themselves. Save some money there are a lot of ways to. I am sympathetic to cases like to help people. So guess what my terrible rich family uses our evil wealth to give money for cancer research. Guess we couldn't if the government takes it away. That is only one of the causes we give money to.
The proper way of using the word seen. It is not I seen it that would be I saw it. He has seen the car is the right way to use the word. English class is Cool. By the way thats my sig
Just to be clear.... I wasn't calling "rich" people evil... I have no problem with sombody that worked hard and was lucky enough to mkae a wealthy life for themselves.... that is as long as said person doesn't become smug.
I dont know how much money you make, nor how much money you have.... and I really dont care.... but weather you realized it or not... you did come off as a rich spoiled brat in that post... even if your not.
I've been working since I was 12 years old (I have a ss form somewhere to proove it)... and everthing I have is due to that...... I dont have a lot.... but I'm doing OK.. Hell... I put myself through college while I was working at Hardees for christs sakes so I understand how people that are better off can look down on those "wellfare" people that are mooching off the system and then do nothing but complain about there situation when they are doing nothing to make it better... even though they could..... I feel the same way about that.
But you have to understand that there are insanely rich people out there that have never had to lift a finger thier whole lives.... and they complain about the goverment taxing there money when they could easily loose a Million dollars and not have it effect them... The government taxes people on the poverty level too.... that actually need every dime they make.... and the good hard working ones... work harder to make up the difference...
I personally dont think that Income tax should exist... but thats another story..... but since it does.... it should at least be set up so it evens the playing field just a little...
The rich keep getting richer.... and the poor keep getting poorer... and thats not right..
The rich can keep getting richer... I don't have a problem with that..... but the hard working poor people that are out there should be getting a little richer too.
And then there are these rich bastards that got that way off the backs of others misfortune.... but thats a whole other bag of worms.
If your "hard working" and not getting richer, I would have to say, you have saving\spending problems.
Tax brackets are there for a reason,,,,, the "rich" do pay...a lot more.
Chris
"An appeal to arms and the God of hosts is all that is left us. But we shall not fight our battle alone. There is a just God that presides over the destinies of nations. The battle sir, is not of the strong alone. Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death."
Speech at the Second Virginia Convention at St. John's Church in Richmond, Virginia (23 March 1775) Patrick Henry
Taetsch Z-24 wrote:If your "hard working" and not getting richer, I would have to say, you have saving\spending problems.
Tax brackets are there for a reason,,,,, the "rich" do pay...a lot more.
Chris
Apparently you never heard of the word "circumstance." It has a great role in determining success as well. Some people get rich through hard work, some people never do, some people get rich through no hard work - it just falls into their laps, and some people are born into wealth.
The rich pay "more taxes" technically, and but that is obviously on more income, which that represents a smaller percentage of their income than what you or I get taxed. This is especially true of the uber rich more than the somewhat rich. People who can pay for tax attorneys will pay almost nothing relative to their income thanks to tax deductions and especially tax loopholes. They DO NOT pay the base tax rate(which in theory is higher) and yet that is where Republican talking points on tax come from.
Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in
America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the
country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along,
whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist
dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the
leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and
denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the
same in any country. - Hermann Goring
^^^^^^^
1/3 rd of my paycheck goes to uncle sam.....
for comparison...
Weebel wrote:^^^^^^^
1/3 rd of my paycheck goes to uncle sam.....
for comparison...
Yep - show me one billionaire that pays 1/3rd of his income to taxes. Just one. Make that 1/4th, or 1/5th even. You won't find one.
Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in
America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the
country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along,
whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist
dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the
leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and
denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the
same in any country. - Hermann Goring
Why won't Obama prove himself? He seems kinda fishy to me too.
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News Item: The Supreme Court has turned down an emergency appeal from a New Jersey man who says President-elect Barack Obama is ineligible to be president because he was a British subject at birth.
As we get closer to January 20th the so-called legal presidential inauguration of Barack Obama, there are far too many questions dealing with the propriety of Obama becoming president. Not the least is whether he is legally eligible to be president.
The Supreme Court has decided that it will not be listening to the Barack Obama birth certificate court case, but it should not stop those who believe that this is a country of laws and Obama should come clean before he is allowed to take his seat at 1600 Pennsylvania.
He has ducked the peoples' right to see his birth certificate and has gotten away with it...so far. But why? Is he afraid to admit that he was born on a Russian submarine transit and rushed to a secret drop off point off the coast of Alaska. Probably not. With Palin on the watch, we would have already known that. But it doesn't mean we should stop asking the questions.
If he is afraid to show us his birth certificate because it's more than him not being born in the U.S. Perhaps he wasn't born at all. And I'm not trying to say he's some sort of Jesus incarnate. Not at all. That would be ridiculous. Being an android wouldn't be out of the question. Know anyone who has seen even one of his X-rays?
How do we know he's not from Argornia in the star system Thraxos and that he came here through some sort of Stargate? I'm not saying he did, but if Keanu Reeves can come to Earth from another planet, it's not beyond reason that someone a whole lot brighter who seemed to come out of nowhere and is about to become the most powerful person on Earth could also make the trip. And if not so, that why does he refuse to show us whether he has gills or a third arm in the middle of his back, that is if he has a back? While it seems pretty obvious that he has feet, does anyone know how many toes? Does he even have genitalia? He certainly hasn't revealed them for the record.. You say Michelle has seen them? Why should we believe her? She is so angry.
The Obama questions keep piling up, but not the answers.
What does he know about Roswell?
Where is the capital of New Hampshire?
What happens after death?
Do I look fat in these jeans?
What is the opposite of Orange?
Simply, if there are so many unanswered questions that Barack Hussein Obama - if that is his name - refuses to respond to, perhaps being a crazed ideologue who's grasping at infinitesimal drippings of sour grapes to keep a duly-elected President-elect out of the White House, isn't so crazed. And if the U.S. Supreme Court won't hear us, then maybe it's time to bring it to some court who isn't afraid to take on those refuse to answer to a higher power...
Hello...Judge Judy?
I think that article asks some questions that are just as valid as many asked in this thread. It fits in well.
Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in
America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the
country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along,
whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist
dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the
leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and
denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the
same in any country. - Hermann Goring
so wait......Obama is a Muslin??
Gotta love the debates on here
FackCheck.org
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Recently FactCheck representatives got a chance to spend some time with the birth certificate, and we can attest to the fact that it is real and three-dimensional and resides at the Obama headquarters in Chicago. We can assure readers that the certificate does bear a raised seal, and that it's stamped on the back by Hawaii state registrar Alvin T. Onaka (who uses a signature stamp rather than signing individual birth certificates). We even brought home a few photographs.
Alvin T. Onaka's signature stamp
The raised seal
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The certificate has all the elements the State Department requires for proving citizenship to obtain a U.S. passport: "your full name, the full name of your parent(s), date and place of birth, sex, date the birth record was filed, and the seal or other certification of the official custodian of such records." The names, date and place of birth, and filing date are all evident on the scanned version, and you can see the seal above.
The document is a "certification of birth," also known as a short-form birth certificate. The long form is drawn up by the hospital and includes additional information such as birth weight and parents' hometowns. The short form is printed by the state and draws from a database with fewer details. The Hawaii Department of Health's birth record request form does not give the option to request a photocopy of your long-form birth certificate, but their short form has enough information to be acceptable to the State Department. We tried to ask the Hawaii DOH why they only offer the short form, among other questions, but they have not given a response.
The scan released by the campaign shows halos around the black text, making it look (to some) as though the text might have been pasted on top of an image of security paper. But the document itself has no such halos, nor do the close-up photos we took of it. We conclude that the halo seen in the image produced by the campaign is a digital artifact from the scanning process.
We asked the Obama campaign about the date stamp and the blacked-out certificate number. The certificate is stamped June 2007, because that's when Hawaii officials produced it for the campaign, which requested that document and "all the records we could get our hands on" according to spokesperson Shauna Daly. The campaign didn't release its copy until 2008, after speculation began to appear on the Internet questioning Obama's citizenship. The campaign then rushed to release the document, and the rush is responsible for the blacked-out certificate number. Says Shauna: "[We] couldn't get someone on the phone in Hawaii to tell us whether the number represented some secret information, and we erred on the side of blacking it out. Since then we've found out it's pretty irrelevant for the outside world." The document we looked at did have a certificate number; it is 151 1961 - 010641.
