[quote=Keeper Of The Light™ (Strazca)]The thing is, I think that will be dependent on Obama's regime in his first, and maybe only 4 years. If Obama, like his nutswingers predict, is basically another FDR, and the economy gets fixed under his regime...
I agree with the majority of your post, but this leads me to believe that you think FDR fixed the economy. You do realize that he made it worse, right? I believe Obama is absolutely going to be another FDR. He's going to push socialist policies and drag out the sh!tty economy for years to come, and everyone who supports him right now will refuse to see it, and think he turned things around.
I hope I misunderstood your post, because although you and I don't always agree, I believe you to be intelligent enough to see that FDR sucked.
seriously, if i hear obama and socialist/socialism in the same post again, ill prolly implode
Go ahead and implode. He's a f#&king socialist. Deal with it. The country elected him. The Country will become more socialist.
Everyone who voted for him can STFU when they realize the truth.
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Quiklilcav wrote:Keep your head in the sand. Everything will just be fine if you ignore it. 
HEY
people like that make awesome Targets!
Chris
"An appeal to arms and the God of hosts is all that is left us. But we shall not fight our battle alone. There is a just God that presides over the destinies of nations. The battle sir, is not of the strong alone. Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death."
Speech at the Second Virginia Convention at St. John's Church in Richmond, Virginia (23 March 1775) Patrick Henry
Quiklilcav wrote:Everyone who voted for him can STFU when they realize the truth.
Dude chill the hell out he got elected and he is the new president get over it move on or go see a doctor.
I didn't think bush did too bad.. I thought he did pretty good..
Quiklilcav wrote:Go ahead and implode. He's a f#&king socialist. Deal with it. The country elected him. The Country will become more socialist.
Everyone who voted for him can STFU when they realize the truth.
its ridiculous that you constantly blurt out that the person you didnt vote for is the complete opposite side of the spectrum
its really more that you are a sore loser than anything
grow up
i thinks Bush will be remembered as a hero. I in the past bashed him like every one else. I cried about the war , the illegals and unfair trade policy with other nations. Then some thing magical happened while other republicans condemned GM, Ford ,Chrysler. After all hope was lost he saved the day, he didn't have too. He could have let them die off But he didn't. To think a Republican president helping out a blue state it blows my mind. President Bush in my opinion redeemed himself and his party with that act of kindness. Im so glad i got what i wanted that was my X-mas present. Ya did a great job Mr President sorry to see ya GO
Quiklilcav wrote:Go ahead and implode. He's a f#&king socialist. Deal with it. The country elected him. The Country will become more socialist.
Everyone who voted for him can STFU when they realize the truth.
I'll hold you to that standard too. When the truth(whatever it may be) comes out, that is.
Yep Obama's such a "socialist" that Hugo Chavez(Socialism's messiah) is already coming out against him -->
Chavez says Obama has "stench" of Bush
Furthermore, YOU voted for someone who's VP choice is governor over
the most socialist state in the union. AND that nameless VP choice INCREASED the level of socialism by increasing the tax waged against the oil companies(an additional $6 BILLION this year) who drill there, so that she could increase the government handout given to everyone(more than a 50% increase). Therefore given your support for such a candidate, some might then call YOU a socialist sympathizer... So lets see your rebuttal to that.
were people not waving swiss flags at his "victory"
That's not a position of leadership of this nation I want to see.
But I will hold most judgment till he has become the president and dose SOMTHING.
Chris
"An appeal to arms and the God of hosts is all that is left us. But we shall not fight our battle alone. There is a just God that presides over the destinies of nations. The battle sir, is not of the strong alone. Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death."
Speech at the Second Virginia Convention at St. John's Church in Richmond, Virginia (23 March 1775) Patrick Henry
There is one thing I never liked about Bush, and I want to preface this by saying that this has nothing to do with party or polittics and strictly to do with the man's ability to present himself, it's that during speeches about the war in Iraq he always seemed to be trying not to grin. And I don't care WHO you are on this board, you KNOW what I'm talking about. Every damn speech he'd have that stupid retard grin on his face. STOP SMILING YOU IDIOT!!!
Also, this didn't impress me too much:
Again, keep in mind that I'm no bleeding heart moron that thinks politicians have to be pure and perfect. Hell, I voted for Jean Chretien in 1996 strictly because he did this:
God, Chretien was a badass. Bush though? Meh...
billary always pissed me off (when i was 8 LOL) because of this lip licking..
we get it already, you did\do way to much blow.......
speaking of, why did he not have to take drug tests?
Chris
"An appeal to arms and the God of hosts is all that is left us. But we shall not fight our battle alone. There is a just God that presides over the destinies of nations. The battle sir, is not of the strong alone. Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death."
Speech at the Second Virginia Convention at St. John's Church in Richmond, Virginia (23 March 1775) Patrick Henry
Crap like this worries me though
Quote:
"...just because you have an individual right does not
mean that the state or local government can't constrain
the exercise of that right..."
Barack Hussein Obama, 2008
Philadelphia primary debate
“From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs”
Karl Marx
“We must redistribute wealth”
Barack Hussein Obama
So, I see were the "haters" get there worry from.
Once more,
Keep your Powder Dry.
Chris
"An appeal to arms and the God of hosts is all that is left us. But we shall not fight our battle alone. There is a just God that presides over the destinies of nations. The battle sir, is not of the strong alone. Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death."
Speech at the Second Virginia Convention at St. John's Church in Richmond, Virginia (23 March 1775) Patrick Henry
Bottom line is if you were president and in the same situation as Bush was what would you have done? After 9/11 what would you have done differently? All I have to say is the people of America better be glad it was Bush in office and not me cause the world would be short two countries right now. On the flip side we could have two giant fishing ponds in the middle east!!!! YEAH!
That's what i would have done
Nuke there ass and take there gas
after all, we have to think of ourselves first....
Not striping our rights as osoma wants..
Chris
"An appeal to arms and the God of hosts is all that is left us. But we shall not fight our battle alone. There is a just God that presides over the destinies of nations. The battle sir, is not of the strong alone. Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death."
Speech at the Second Virginia Convention at St. John's Church in Richmond, Virginia (23 March 1775) Patrick Henry
I read here about how you all bitch the "sky will fall" about him "redistributing the wealth." And how how much he is a "socialist." How he eats babies for a breakfast and how he squeezes toothpaste from the middle and all the idiocy that sore loosers will say.
My question is: What the FU-CK are you doing in a Cavalier site? Shouldn't you be in Rolls-Royce site or a Bugatti site bitching that all your millions and billions of dollars will now be be affected under Obama? Seriously you numb-skulls bitch as if you're Ted-Turner or Bill Gates or some some oil tycoon and that Robin Hood will steal from you and give to the poor.
I guess since you are so f-ing wealthy it was ok when Ronald Reagan's new tax rate was lowered from 50% to 28% for the folks making $360K+ while the bottom rate was raised from 11% to 15% (- the only time in the history of the U.S. income tax that the top rate was reduced and the bottom rate increased together). In addition, capital gains faced the same tax rate as ordinary income. I guess it is ok when you have tax incentives when you build out side of the US and get taxed more when build in-house. I guess it is ok when we subsidize a failed banking system with tax payer's money (no capitalist mentality here). It is ok when oil companies get tax money for "exploring" when they are making record profits. I guess it is just fine when we went to occupy Iraq with tax-payer's money and did a no bid contract and put ex-CEO Dick Chaney's Haliburton to control Iraq's oil was just right thing to do. I guess it is ok that tax-payer's $9 Billions in cash was lost in Iraq for cash "transactions and restructuring" in the beginning in Iraq. I guess it is ok when Reagan decided to go Jumbo Jet and Nancy Reagan spend an ungodly amount of tax-payer's money in re-decorating the White House, or when Bush doubled his salary as soon as he stepped in office. It is justifiable to give corporate welfare, but just plain wrong to get needy welfare, correct?
Do I need to go on?
You all bitch on the socialist and all the BS, but it's clear you don't have a grasp on what it is. If you went to a public school... you used socialism, you driven a paved road or highway or crossed a bridge you used socialism. You like or need to get protection from police that is socialism. You like it when you got the "stimulus check" again socialism. You want to get some money when you retire in a form of social security, hell.... there goes that sinful word "(Social)-ism..." RUN FOR THE HILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Do I need to go on?
Socialism is ALL over the freaking world and it is there because of the imbalance between the rich and poor or CEO or workers as they try to maximize profits the immoral way. Top rank people want to keep it all, lower rank people has a tough time getting by, who do you call? If there was a balance in wages there would be no Welfare at least for bottom rank folks. Corporations don't need welfare, that is if you run your business correct like true Capitalist. I'll give you Costco, Ben and Jerry's and Enterprise rent a car as prime examples.
And here is the kicker for religious folks... Socialism is in tune with Christian values... Help you fellow brother/sister out.
Lastly it is ridiculous to crucify pre-maturely Obama for something that he has not been sworn in yet. The other guys... criticize all you want... it is now done and in the history book.
THE POLITICALLY INCORRECT ONE.
Quiklilcav wrote:Unfortunately, this election didn't give us a really good choice. While I did spend a lot of time on this site making the case for McCain, it was mostly that he was still a much better choice than Obama. McCain isn't exactly the most concervative Republican, either, but he definitely would have been a lot more concervative than what we ended up with. And I won't even bother with the VP's. I believe that she was brought on mostly as someone who would possibly bring in some of the Democrats, by offering what the two leadind Democratic candidates were gaining support for: young, fresh blood, and female. I'm sure that McCain was hoping to pull some of the Hillary loving Obama haters, as well as appeal to the Obama supporters who got sucked into the idea that because he's young and hasn't been in Washington very long that he was going to come in and turn it upside down. (by the way, anyone notice all the backpedaling going on there now?)
I am far from a socialist sympathizer. Had McCain and Palin won, and gotten in there and proposed anything like what is being proposed now, I would have still stood against it. I don't support anything based on who says it, but on the substance. However, the majority of the time, that falls in line with disagreeing with the Democrats.
As far as Chavez goes, Obama isn't going to come out and start talking about making nice with him. It wouldn't do anything for him at the moment. Down the road, it will probably be a different story.
If Obama does actually do things I support, and he succeeds in getting the economy going without more large bailouts and welfare handouts, I'll be surprized, but I will give him the credit do. That being said, look at what he is proposing and tell me you can't see where it's going? Throwing good money after bad isn't the way to fix it. Giving "tax cuts" to people who don't pay taxes now is socialist. If he wants to cut taxes, and really have an effect, cut everyone's taxes, and watch what happens. Cut business taxes, and watch what happens. Bailouts will appear to work immediately, but it's like giving someone $100, and going to their house a couple days later and seeing a full refrigerator, and saying "look, I gave them money, and they are doing well."...To make a truly cliche statement, it's the "give a man a fish/teach a man to fish" idea. The goverment needs to let people keep more of the money they earn, and otherwise stay the hell out of it right now. The more they do, the more of a mess they are going to make. And anyone who is not looking at what the current administration is proposing, and what it's becoming (some change: tons of people who have been in the cabinet before), is just ignoring the facts.
Bob Barr was in this race and he was a good choice IMO, but no one paid any attention to him. I never understood why people who didn't like either main party candidate(and there where alot of those people), didn't put their vote for the guy who they'd probably like rather than choosing the main party candidate they like the least.
Aside from that, your use of the old "teach a man to fish" analogy, I really can't see where it fits here. So you're saying that giving money to average people is "giving them a fish," but giving that money to corporations instead is "teaching them(I assume you mean the average person) how to fish?" Perhaps you could explain that one a bit? Because when you give money to poorer people, they will spend 100% of what you give them anyways, and through their spending, the money ends up with those corporations anyways. But simply giving money to corporations for nothing is not gonna create jobs, why would it? Companies don't create as many jobs as they can afford, they create only as many as they need to in order to pull in money from consumers. If consumers have more money out there waiting for them, they must create jobs(manufacturing, transportations, retail sales) to get that money.
And either way, either with traditional welfare or the corporate welfare you suggest, its still welfare. A better approach IMO, is to invest most of this money
in infrastructure, which directly creates jobs for those involved. And creating jobs, creates income, stimulating the economy. Handing out money, probably isn't the most ideal solution. On the other hand, Obama is currently taking his advise on what to do with the economy from a "who's who dream team" of professionals in that area, and they likely know something I don't. So we'll see...
Mr.Goodwrench-G.T. wrote:
My question is: What the FU-CK are you doing in a Cavalier site? Shouldn't you be in Rolls-Royce site or a Bugatti site bitching that all your millions and billions of dollars will now be be affected under Obama?
Because its more fun getting you all worked up then it is for me to go on LS1GTO. OR gunbroker.
Chris
"An appeal to arms and the God of hosts is all that is left us. But we shall not fight our battle alone. There is a just God that presides over the destinies of nations. The battle sir, is not of the strong alone. Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death."
Speech at the Second Virginia Convention at St. John's Church in Richmond, Virginia (23 March 1775) Patrick Henry
spoiler wrote:Quiklilcav wrote:spoiler wrote:Bush is a lunatic and I'm glad he is out of the office
Congrats on drinking up all the MSM's Kool-Aide 
Kool aid? sounds like you need to get over your racial problem against black people. I mean, why kool aid? why not orange juice? or Water? or coke? or sprite? you said koolaid because he's black didn't you?
Your first post told me you are an idiot and your second post removed the .0000001% posibility that you might not be. You might want to have someone explain this to you...it could take you a long time for you to comprehend what I just said.
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FORGET GIRLS GONE WILD WE HAVE GOVERNMENT SPENDING GONE WILD!
themarin8r wrote:Quiklilcav wrote:Go ahead and implode. He's a f#&king socialist. Deal with it. The country elected him. The Country will become more socialist.
Everyone who voted for him can STFU when they realize the truth.
its ridiculous that you constantly blurt out that the person you didnt vote for is the complete opposite side of the spectrum
its really more that you are a sore loser than anything
grow up
It is not even like that. If you spent any time whatsoever learning about Obama's past it would be plain as day to see that he IS the most socialist president we have ever had but that is asking to much. Once people like a canidate that person can do no wrong so of course you would never want to look into the fact that he is a socialist and has been for as long as he has had any noted intrest in politics.
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FORGET GIRLS GONE WILD WE HAVE GOVERNMENT SPENDING GONE WILD!
Wiezer Walley wrote:Bottom line is if you were president and in the same situation as Bush was what would you have done? After 9/11 what would you have done differently? All I have to say is the people of America better be glad it was Bush in office and not me cause the world would be short two countries right now. On the flip side we could have two giant fishing ponds in the middle east!!!! YEAH!
What I would have done... First off I wouldn't have spent most all of the beginning of my presidency ON VACATION. Instead I'd have been paying attention to the country and especially to potential external threats to the country instead of ignoring them. So I may (or may not) have prevented 9/11, but no matter the case, I'd have then kicked Al Queda and Afghanistan's candy asses, and stuck with the mission. I wouldn't have given up on completely destroying the people who attacked us to attack someone else entirely. No, I would have stayed fully engaged in Afghanistan and finished the job, never going into Iraq. I would therefore keep the balance that kept Iran from getting too influential and too cocky(because Iran had to deal with their former nemesis in Iraq thus keeping them in check). Also because I wasn't tied into Iraq, I'd have the military resources to deal with Iran - should conditions require it(we honestly aren't in the condition to be doing this now) - or do deal with any other threat that comes our way.
Most of all, I wouldn't have backed off at the last moment when we had Bin Lauden's turban in our sights(one of Bush's early massive failures as commander and chief). I'm all for taking the fight to them, instead of fighting them here, but we virtually abandoned fighting them in on their home turf(Afghanistan and certain parts of Pakistan), instead electing to Invade Iraq, and lure them to fight there instead of at their cave openings, and we managed to piss off everyone in the process - therefore enlisting many more terrorists. And we did that for what? To "liberate" Iraqis? We spent unglodly amounts of money, and more importantly - American lives - to fight for the freedoms of people who want to kill us and who want to kill each other almost as bad as they want to kill us. I think I liked them better under Saddam's tyranny.
how long was he holding office as a senator?
how many time did he show up?
Chris
"An appeal to arms and the God of hosts is all that is left us. But we shall not fight our battle alone. There is a just God that presides over the destinies of nations. The battle sir, is not of the strong alone. Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death."
Speech at the Second Virginia Convention at St. John's Church in Richmond, Virginia (23 March 1775) Patrick Henry
