Harrington (Fiber Faber) wrote:I totaly agree.
We need to move to a flat tax system and do away with all tax exemptions. That way everyone pays their fiar share, including people who make money "under the table" and through the black market (drugs and what not).
KevinP (Stabby McShankyou) wrote:
and I'm NOT a pedo. everyone knows i've got a wheelchair fetish.
Harrington (Fiber Faber) wrote:You'd have to tax internet purchases somehow...Harrington (Fiber Faber) wrote:I totaly agree.
We need to move to a flat tax system and do away with all tax exemptions. That way everyone pays their fiar share, including people who make money "under the table" and through the black market (drugs and what not).
To be clear here, when I say flat tax I mean a flat sales tax to cover everything. No more income tax, property tax, gift tax or any other bull@!#$ tax the government has dreamed up over the years. Any thing you buy has the same tax, tobacco, cars, food, anything. Even people who come to this country for vacation and illegally will be helping pay our taxes to an extent.
Harrington (Fiber Faber) wrote:J03Y wrote:Short Hand wrote:Ok lets just agree that gay couples deserve the "FULL rights" of Married couples, but any Church not wanting to Marry them can pass on wedding them ! AS long as they have the right to Legal union(by the government) I think all is well. So really I see no problem WITH gay Marriage/Union at all. IF your Baptist minister does not want to wed a gay couple.. HE doesn't have to ! BUT be told that those 2 gay partners are entitled to ALL the same legal rights as a straight couple. ANy church willing to be in the right century will wed the couple anyways.. :p/ (BUT Again, each church/ministry has the right to practice their marriage ceremonies as they please!)
IS this not the solution ? Why is it so hard to accept ? The ceremony within your church may be sacred, but the institution of a partnership between two people is not. To deprive citizens of this in my mind is against your very own constitution.
End Rant.
just wait until they take away tax exempt status and other benefits the churches get. They'll be forced to recognize gay "marriage", at which point politics will have overpowered religion, which is what they want.
IMO churches should not have tax exemption to begin with. Organized religion is a sham.
Quiklilcav wrote:If a church recognizes gay marriage, then I don't have a problem with it.
However, there is one point that doesn't get discussed very often, and that is the fact that part of the whole movement also includes mandating the teachings that gay marriage is OK. This includes Catholic schools. So, just as with the abortion Conscience Clause being wiped away could force a Christian hospital to perform abortions against their belief, so could this force them to teach against their belief.
The freedom of religion is being taken away. Whether you believe religion is a crock of sh!t or not, you have to still accept the fact that people should be allowed to practice their own beliefs. This is one of the founding principles of this country.
Quiklilcav wrote:If a church recognizes gay marriage, then I don't have a problem with it.
However, there is one point that doesn't get discussed very often, and that is the fact that part of the whole movement also includes mandating the teachings that gay marriage is OK. This includes Catholic schools. So, just as with the abortion Conscience Clause being wiped away could force a Christian hospital to perform abortions against their belief, so could this force them to teach against their belief.
The freedom of religion is being taken away. Whether you believe religion is a crock of sh!t or not, you have to still accept the fact that people should be allowed to practice their own beliefs. This is one of the founding principles of this country.
KevinP (Stabby McShankyou) wrote:
and I'm NOT a pedo. everyone knows i've got a wheelchair fetish.
ScottaWhite wrote:The vast majority of folks slobbering in favor of homosexual marriages would have tirade parties against the Mormon polygamists demand for equal protection.I wouldn't have a problem with either of these...
The vast majority of folks slobbering in favor of homosexual marriages would have tirade parties against other weirdo groups, like sisters wanting to get married, or twin brothers for example. Neither pair could produce children, so the only reason they would say no, is becaue it is gross....to them..
Harrington (Fiber Faber) wrote:In a country where their is freedom of religion, non-religious people should not have religion shoved down their throats. Why is it ok for the evangelical right to say gay marriage is bad, fight it tooth and nail and at the same time say their religions freedom is being taken away when it is allowed? What about the religious freedom of gay people, seems to me their religious freedom was taken away when gay marriage was not recognized by the government. So as long as we follow what you believe everything is ok? You said "you still have to accept the fact that people should be allowed to practice their own beliefs", as long as your not a gay who wants to marry your partner right? Because since they are gay they deserve to be discriminated against?Well said.
Harrington (Fiber Faber) wrote:No law should ever be based on religious doctrine, because there is not a consensus of religious beliefs in this country. Not everyone believes the same things so keep you religious ideals to yourself , what is so hard about that.Nobody believes in the same political ideas either, but it's still majority rule.
J03Y wrote:Short Hand wrote:J03Y wrote:Short Hand wrote:Ok lets just agree that gay couples deserve the "FULL rights" of Married couples, but any Church not wanting to Marry them can pass on wedding them ! AS long as they have the right to Legal union(by the government) I think all is well. So really I see no problem WITH gay Marriage/Union at all. IF your Baptist minister does not want to wed a gay couple.. HE doesn't have to ! BUT be told that those 2 gay partners are entitled to ALL the same legal rights as a straight couple. ANy church willing to be in the right century will wed the couple anyways.. :p/ (BUT Again, each church/ministry has the right to practice their marriage ceremonies as they please!)
IS this not the solution ? Why is it so hard to accept ? The ceremony within your church may be sacred, but the institution of a partnership between two people is not. To deprive citizens of this in my mind is against your very own constitution.
End Rant.
just wait until they take away tax exempt status and other benefits the churches get. They'll be forced to recognize gay "marriage", at which point politics will have overpowered religion, which is what they want.
Gay Marriage will NOT bring about the end of tax exempt status for Religious groups. NO idea where you got that idea........
that's your opinion, and you're welcome to it. However mine differs. Only a matter of time IMO.
Short Hand wrote:J03Y wrote:Short Hand wrote:J03Y wrote:Short Hand wrote:Ok lets just agree that gay couples deserve the "FULL rights" of Married couples, but any Church not wanting to Marry them can pass on wedding them ! AS long as they have the right to Legal union(by the government) I think all is well. So really I see no problem WITH gay Marriage/Union at all. IF your Baptist minister does not want to wed a gay couple.. HE doesn't have to ! BUT be told that those 2 gay partners are entitled to ALL the same legal rights as a straight couple. ANy church willing to be in the right century will wed the couple anyways.. :p/ (BUT Again, each church/ministry has the right to practice their marriage ceremonies as they please!)
IS this not the solution ? Why is it so hard to accept ? The ceremony within your church may be sacred, but the institution of a partnership between two people is not. To deprive citizens of this in my mind is against your very own constitution.
End Rant.
just wait until they take away tax exempt status and other benefits the churches get. They'll be forced to recognize gay "marriage", at which point politics will have overpowered religion, which is what they want.
Gay Marriage will NOT bring about the end of tax exempt status for Religious groups. NO idea where you got that idea........
that's your opinion, and you're welcome to it. However mine differs. Only a matter of time IMO.
Your "opinion" is a statement that has NO possibility of happening. ABSOLUTELY 0 ! I have no idea how you can fathom such a ridiculous idea. IT makes me wonder if really, your just using such a horrible excuse due to you homophobia.
ScottaWhite wrote:Well, this has gone off topic a bit. But hey, do any of these types stay on point? Ever?
If the United States ever legalizes gay marriages, then other "disenfranchised" groups should be allowed to marry whomever they will as well.
The vast majority of folks slobbering in favor of homosexual marriages would have tirade parties against the Mormon polygamists demand for equal protection.
The vast majority of folks slobbering in favor of homosexual marriages would have tirade parties against other weirdo groups, like sisters wanting to get married, or twin brothers for example. Neither pair could produce children, so the only reason they would say no, is becaue it is gross....to them.
Now please, one of you scamper off and google some stats about how the Netherlands or some other doinky blonde country embraces homomarriage and everyone loves it.
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TheSundownFire wrote:Once again. I dont see how anyone marrying any inanimate object or animate object has any bearing on my life. If I see a guy dry humping his wife of a fire hydrant Im going to say hey thats weird but really what do I, or anyone, gain from making it illegal.
I just dont see how anyone sees gay marriage as the end of world. It just boggles my mind. I havent seen one good point thats not religious on this subject.
If youll notice the country is split 50/50 on the issue of religion as are the issues of gay marriage and abortion. Maybe its just me but I see a link there. Countries in Europe where church-goers are around 10% most things like thsi arent issues becaus ethe majority isnt religiously driven.
Harrington (Fiber Faber) wrote:So in the four states that have recognized gay marriage, you can show me right where the law states that Catholic schools have to teach that gay marriage is OK?
Harrington (Fiber Faber) wrote:In a country where their is freedom of religion, non-religious people should not have religion shoved down their throats. Why is it ok for the evangelical right to say gay marriage is bad, fight it tooth and nail and at the same time say their religions freedom is being taken away when it is allowed? What about the religious freedom of gay people, seems to me their religious freedom was taken away when gay marriage was not recognized by the government. So as long as we follow what you believe everything is ok? You said "you still have to accept the fact that people should be allowed to practice their own beliefs", as long as your not a gay who wants to marry your partner right? Because since they are gay they deserve to be discriminated against?
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As much as Short Peen would like to call me a homophobe, I have a cousin in this very situation. She has been with her partner for longer than I"ve been alive. I see no reason legally why they should not be allowed the benefits married couples get. Hell, they're more caring and loving than most hetero couples I know.
Quiklilcav wrote:If marriage is exclusively a religious institutions, then why do Atheists get married? Why is there no outcry when they do? Why is there no outcry if I got married and divorced within HOURS of meeting a (opposite sex) hooker in Vegas?Harrington (Fiber Faber) wrote:In a country where their is freedom of religion, non-religious people should not have religion shoved down their throats. Why is it ok for the evangelical right to say gay marriage is bad, fight it tooth and nail and at the same time say their religions freedom is being taken away when it is allowed? What about the religious freedom of gay people, seems to me their religious freedom was taken away when gay marriage was not recognized by the government. So as long as we follow what you believe everything is ok? You said "you still have to accept the fact that people should be allowed to practice their own beliefs", as long as your not a gay who wants to marry your partner right? Because since they are gay they deserve to be discriminated against?
Wow you are so off base here it's ridiculous.
Are you aware that marriage is a religious institution? That was the whole point of my statement that if a religion recognizes it, then the government should as well. It's not about religious discrimination against gay people, it's about the gay people that want a religious institution that is heterosexual by design. The religious discrimination of the government comes into play when they want to force a religion to adopt things that go against their beliefs.
Steven Colbert wrote:Remember everyone, when gay people gain rights... you lose them!
bk3k wrote:If marriage is exclusively a religious institutions, then why do Atheists get married? Why is there no outcry when they do? Why is there no outcry if I got married and divorced within HOURS of meeting a (opposite sex) hooker in Vegas?
Marriage is a matter of legal status always, and only sometimes a religious thing as well. If you want it religious only, then the government should remove all legal changes as opposed to people just dating - including tax benefits, insurance benefits, etc for all married people. THEN and only then is it a purely religious thing. No, marriage has existed in every culture since the dawn of mankind, despite the religion or lack thereof(USSR and China come to mind... they still marry). Get over that silly notion.
bk3k wrote:I'd like to know where we get into this "forcing churches to marry gay people" arguments in the first place? I think a church(much like a business) has full right to refuse any wedding for any reason at any time. They can tell Steve and Charles to go to the courthouse down the street and let the secular judge marry them. The problem with this is...what?! Seriously, you'd think someone was putting a gun to the pastor's head. Get real.
bk3k wrote:What I did here is called "missing the point." Everyone needs to try it sometime.
themarin8r wrote:marriage is just a word
its definition is different for everyone
and i think fighting over the definition of said word is really the biggest deal breaker in this debate
most people that are against it really just do not want it called marriage
and personally, that is @!#$ stupid
i bet if you look up marriage on a bunch of sites right now, youll get the same amount of definitions as sites you visit