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Re: A sign of "change?"
Wednesday, August 05, 2009 5:39 PM on j-body.org
Such words from some one who has never taken the oath.


I am a "Illiterate SOB" but, if your game, you can try a fight.


Game?


Chris




"An appeal to arms and the God of hosts is all that is left us. But we shall not fight our battle alone. There is a just God that presides over the destinies of nations. The battle sir, is not of the strong alone. Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death."

Speech at the Second Virginia Convention at St. John's Church in Richmond, Virginia (23 March 1775) Patrick Henry



Re: A sign of "change?"
Thursday, August 06, 2009 5:32 AM on j-body.org
"Yes, nothing is better then for the tax payers to fund private industries that earn NET on avg $30-40 billions per qrt of record profit.
Simply unbelievable."



considering how this country would completly shut down and go into complete caos if we had no oil then i have no problem with goverment helping out.

your right oil companies do net billions of dollars in profit, but they also spend waaaayyyyy more getting that profit. making say 10 billion in profit when you spent 100 billion to get that profit is no diffrent then my company making 1 million in profit from spending 10 billion. both equal about 10% profit.




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Re: A sign of "change?"
Thursday, August 06, 2009 12:32 PM on j-body.org
sndsgood wrote:

"Yes, nothing is better then for the tax payers to fund private industries that earn NET on avg $30-40 billions per qrt of record profit.
Simply unbelievable."



considering how this country would completly shut down and go into complete caos if we had no oil then i have no problem with goverment helping out.

your right oil companies do net billions of dollars in profit, but they also spend waaaayyyyy more getting that profit. making say 10 billion in profit when you spent 100 billion to get that profit is no diffrent then my company making 1 million in profit from spending 10 billion. both equal about 10% profit.


Yes, you are indeed correct that if oil production gets cut off, chaos would happen immediately. But oil exploration cost way under (a) Billion dollars and that's with the costlier under water exploration($10-$200millions). The amount of profit that the oil industries produces, is more than enough to explore on their very own, it is enough to explore on the moon or Mars. lol j/k

We don't need to fund them period, funding them is like funding Bill Gates so he can buy a Bugatti to get to work quicker, you know since we use his O/S. Much how we didn't like the funding of a failed GM, having a double standard and accepting to fund the powerful (by capital) oil industry is just as big of mistake, if not worse. And worse just because they already have money to explore.




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Re: A sign of "change?"
Thursday, August 06, 2009 12:46 PM on j-body.org
Taetsch Z-24 wrote:

Such words from some one who has never taken the oath.


I am a "Illiterate SOB" but, if your game, you can try a fight.


Game?


Chris



ROFL I completely died reading this.


You are failing to spell "purple" right. He is correct when he calls you out on it. How can someone take any point you make seriously or even remotely informed when you have a hard time grasping our own language. It's further infuriating when you back someone up in a discussion, but in truth you fail to understand what it is your actually representing. FOX puts this idea in your head that Barack is a socialist looking to ruin the "Good Ole American Way Of Life".. AND you all eat it up.

NOW back on topic

G&S just posted record profits. Most financial firms are looking up...The economy still has more downturns to come, BUT you don;'t pop out of a recession like this in 6 months..... Give it time people.



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I give up...
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Re: A sign of "change?"
Thursday, August 06, 2009 6:12 PM on j-body.org
Um..... I can honestly say that the last time I watched to news was over 2 months ago.


I don't have cable.


Anyone that wants to make all people pay for each others heath care is a socialist. Anyone that calls illegal's "Undocumented Citizens" is a socialist.

And WTF is this I heard (from people at work, not the news) of osoma bowing to some china man?

Spelling has never been my strong point. So, if "calling me out on it" makes you all feel better, go for it. I apologize for doing so, I know it can be frustrating.



I'm afraid with time, the inflation rate will kill this nation.

Chris




"An appeal to arms and the God of hosts is all that is left us. But we shall not fight our battle alone. There is a just God that presides over the destinies of nations. The battle sir, is not of the strong alone. Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death."

Speech at the Second Virginia Convention at St. John's Church in Richmond, Virginia (23 March 1775) Patrick Henry


Re: A sign of "change?"
Friday, August 07, 2009 11:19 AM on j-body.org
As long as we are talking about servace men...


Quote:

UNBELIEVABLE PRESIDENT?
THIS HAS GOT TO BE THE MOST OUTRAGEOUS STATEMENT EVER MADE BY A PUBLIC OFFICIAL LET ALONE BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. AND THIS GUY IS OUR "COMMANDER IN CHIEF". HE IS A DISGRACE.

HERE IS HIS RESPONSE WHEN HE BACKED OFF FROM HIS DECISION TO LET

THE MILITARY PAY FOR THEIR WAR INJURIES.


Bad press, including major mockery of the plan by comedian Jon

Stewart, led to President Obama abandoning his proposal to require

veterans carry private health insurance to cover the estimated $540

million annual cost to the federal government of treatment for injuries

to military personnel received during their tours on active duty. The

President admitted that he was puzzled by the magnitude of the

opposition to his proposal.

"Look, it's an all volunteer force," Obama complained. "Nobody

made these guys go to war. They had to have known and accepted the

risks. Now they whine about bearing the costs of their choice? It

doesn't compute…" "I thought these were people who were proud to

sacrifice for their country, "Obama continued. "I wasn't asking for

blood, just money. With the country facing the worst financial crisis in

its history, I'd have thought that the patriotic thing to do would be to

try to help reduce the nation's deficit. I guess I underestimated the

selfishness of some of my fellow Americans."

Please pass this on to every one including every vet and their families whom you know.



How in the world did a person with this mindset become our

leader? I didn't vote for him!!!



REMEMBER THIS STATEMENT... "Nobody made these guys go to war. They had

to have known and accepted the risks. Now they whine about bearing the

costs of their choice?



Remind everyone over and over how this

man thinks, while he bows to the Saudi Arabian king.


Thoughts?

Chris




"An appeal to arms and the God of hosts is all that is left us. But we shall not fight our battle alone. There is a just God that presides over the destinies of nations. The battle sir, is not of the strong alone. Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death."

Speech at the Second Virginia Convention at St. John's Church in Richmond, Virginia (23 March 1775) Patrick Henry


Re: A sign of "change?"
Friday, August 07, 2009 11:31 AM on j-body.org
(tabs) wrote:

first off....the jobless claims are down because people have run out of unemployment since the economy has been down so long. just because there are less claims being filed doesnt mean that more people are being hired. this is just typical spin.

Not to mention people like me that have been out of a job for months, but never filed for unemployment.





Re: A sign of "change?"
Friday, August 07, 2009 12:42 PM on j-body.org
Taetsch Z-24 wrote:

As long as we are talking about servace men...


Quote:

UNBELIEVABLE PRESIDENT?
THIS HAS GOT TO BE THE MOST OUTRAGEOUS STATEMENT EVER MADE BY A PUBLIC OFFICIAL LET ALONE BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. AND THIS GUY IS OUR "COMMANDER IN CHIEF". HE IS A DISGRACE.

HERE IS HIS RESPONSE WHEN HE BACKED OFF FROM HIS DECISION TO LET

THE MILITARY PAY FOR THEIR WAR INJURIES.


Bad press, including major mockery of the plan by comedian Jon

Stewart, led to President Obama abandoning his proposal to require

veterans carry private health insurance to cover the estimated $540

million annual cost to the federal government of treatment for injuries

to military personnel received during their tours on active duty. The

President admitted that he was puzzled by the magnitude of the

opposition to his proposal.

"Look, it's an all volunteer force," Obama complained. "Nobody

made these guys go to war. They had to have known and accepted the

risks. Now they whine about bearing the costs of their choice? It

doesn't compute…" "I thought these were people who were proud to

sacrifice for their country, "Obama continued. "I wasn't asking for

blood, just money. With the country facing the worst financial crisis in

its history, I'd have thought that the patriotic thing to do would be to

try to help reduce the nation's deficit. I guess I underestimated the

selfishness of some of my fellow Americans."

Please pass this on to every one including every vet and their families whom you know.



How in the world did a person with this mindset become our

leader? I didn't vote for him!!!



REMEMBER THIS STATEMENT... "Nobody made these guys go to war. They had

to have known and accepted the risks. Now they whine about bearing the

costs of their choice?



Remind everyone over and over how this

man thinks, while he bows to the Saudi Arabian king.


Thoughts?

Chris


Not negating this, but I would like to see exerpt of this from a reliable news source, not from chain letter.
As for bowing to Saudi Arabia King. Sorry to inform you, but since the the turn of 20th century the US kisses their ass as they have us and the world by the balls.









THE POLITICALLY INCORRECT ONE.

Re: A sign of "change?"
Friday, August 07, 2009 1:29 PM on j-body.org
AND yet non bowed to them.

Hmm

Chris




"An appeal to arms and the God of hosts is all that is left us. But we shall not fight our battle alone. There is a just God that presides over the destinies of nations. The battle sir, is not of the strong alone. Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death."

Speech at the Second Virginia Convention at St. John's Church in Richmond, Virginia (23 March 1775) Patrick Henry


Re: A sign of "change?"
Friday, August 07, 2009 2:39 PM on j-body.org
The other decides to just hold hands and kiss.



Bowing might be a sign greeting/respect in that country (not sure on their culture), but what can you expect... a slap on the ass like football?



THE POLITICALLY INCORRECT ONE.

Re: A sign of "change?"
Friday, August 07, 2009 3:29 PM on j-body.org
Mr.Goodwrench-G.T. wrote:


Since you are alive to type this, do you have a Purple Heart?

(We know you don't have one since you're stupid enough to say war is fun)

No... no wonder you say war is fun. The day you get a bullet between your eyes by Al Qaeda, then tell me how much fun it is. I'm dieing to know, no pun intended of course.
Do you understand now? Jackass thinks war is like playing with G.I. JOE.
Funs over when you're brought back in a coffin with an American flag draped over it, fool.

first off.....if the man enjoys war, then thats his prerogative. hes experienced it, you havent. its not some weird condition--its just a part of human nature. if he, and people like him, didnt enjoy it--or at the very least tolerate and participate in it--then your condescending ass wouldnt even be here.

also....if you are going to call someone an illiterate sob, perhaps you should also check your own abilities. the bolded word above (dieing) means you are in the process of using a die. "dying" is the word you were looking for. and, just for future reference, the present tense form of the word dye is spelled dyeing.

here is a cute definition from the urban dictionary
Quote:

1. dieing

A common misspelling of dying that that only dumbasses use.

so, for a recap, we have:
dying--meaning death
dyeing--coloring something
dieing--using a die
Mr.Goodwrench-G.T. wrote:


Yes, nothing is better then for the tax payers to fund private industries that earn NET on avg $30-40 billions per qrt of record profit.
Simply unbelievable.

oil companies dont make that much on average, and net isnt profit. its happened a few times, most recently when we were paying $5 a gallon. while i dont support the government funding private industries like that, you need to not exaggerate the problem just to try and win over uninformed readers.
Shadowfire wrote:

(tabs) wrote:

first off....the jobless claims are down because people have run out of unemployment since the economy has been down so long. just because there are less claims being filed doesnt mean that more people are being hired. this is just typical spin.

Not to mention people like me that have been out of a job for months, but never filed for unemployment.

i'm sorry sir, but nothing you said is true. the msm and obama arent reporting you, so you just dont exist. sorry about your luck!




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Re: A sign of "change?"
Friday, August 07, 2009 5:05 PM on j-body.org
(tabs) wrote:


first off.....if the man enjoys war, then thats his prerogative.

Yes, some have murderer/killer mentality. Jeffrey Dahmer had the same prerogative, difference here is, one was paid for it, the other was considered crazy.
Just don't use tax money for your "killer fun" or bitch about other useless expense.

Quote:

if he, and people like him, didnt enjoy it--or at the very least tolerate and participate in it--then your condescending ass wouldnt even be here.

My "condescending ass" is here speaking because what our forefather did, and with the courts following laws, not what military did/do. The last time this country was threatened by a take over, we were enemies with the Brits. Anything after that, especially with 20th 21st century wars, it was mostly about business and the threatening of globalization or private interests. So please take lame and BS excuse of a tactic that recruiters tell you and shove it where the shine doesn't shine.

Quote:

also....if you are going to call someone an illiterate sob, perhaps you should also check your own abilities. the bolded word above (dieing) means you are in the process of using a die. "dying" is the word you were looking for. and, just for future reference, the present tense form of the word dye is spelled dyeing.

And yet another jackass that follows hypocrisy, like man needs to breath. Hey grammar Nazi, for starters: The day that you can properly start a sentence with a lower case letter, you'll have room to talk.

Quote:

oil companies dont make that much on net. its happened a few times, most recently when we were paying $5 a gallon. while i dont support the government funding private industries like that, you need to not exaggerate the problem just to try and win over uninformed readers.

I'm not trying to win anybody, I could a give flying f-uck if I win/loose any of you. To some people, they don't like it when you tell it how it is, or rattle their cage and put things in perspective. Which is why I'm getting haters by the second; and I'm loving it. Besides, if any of you have any doubts, look it up yourself.
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THE POLITICALLY INCORRECT ONE.

Re: A sign of "change?"
Friday, August 07, 2009 5:21 PM on j-body.org
wow....back on the .org just in time to see your post. so, here goes....

Mr.Goodwrench-G.T. wrote:


Quote:

also....if you are going to call someone an illiterate sob, perhaps you should also check your own abilities. the bolded word above (dieing) means you are in the process of using a die. "dying" is the word you were looking for. and, just for future reference, the present tense form of the word dye is spelled dyeing.

And yet another jackass that follows hypocrisy, like man needs to breath. Hey grammar Nazi, for starters: The day that you can properly start a sentence with a lower case letter, you'll have room to talk.

hahaha. the only thing i dont do is use apostrophes (unless its definition means two things based on the apostrophe. then it's a different ball game) or capital letters. everything else is spelled correctly and uses proper grammar. the difference is that it's a conscious decision, not one borne out of stupidity or ignorance.

also, (and this is just to piss you off but it's true nonetheless) you CAN start a sentence with a lowercase letter! oh, thats right....! on rare occasions when your sentence begins with a slang term or proper noun that begins with a lowercase letter, it's allowable, although not advisable, to use it. "eBay is a great website!" would be used properly. but what do i know...im only finishing a communications master's degree.

now, go ahead and try to dissect this post and tell me exactly how im wrong again. even though im not, i am sure i will enjoy your attempt anyway.







Re: A sign of "change?"
Friday, August 07, 2009 6:06 PM on j-body.org
(tabs) wrote:



Mr.Goodwrench-G.T. wrote:


Quote:

also....if you are going to call someone an illiterate sob, perhaps you should also check your own abilities. the bolded word above (dieing) means you are in the process of using a die. "dying" is the word you were looking for. and, just for future reference, the present tense form of the word dye is spelled dyeing.

And yet another jackass that follows hypocrisy, like man needs to breath. Hey grammar Nazi, for starters: The day that you can properly start a sentence with a lower case letter, you'll have room to talk.

hahaha. the only thing i dont do is use apostrophes (unless its definition means two things based on the apostrophe. then it's a different ball game) or capital letters. everything else is spelled correctly and uses proper grammar. the difference is that it's a conscious decision, not one borne out of stupidity or ignorance.

also, (and this is just to piss you off but it's true nonetheless) you CAN start a sentence with a lowercase letter! oh, thats right....! on rare occasions when your sentence begins with a slang term or proper noun that begins with a lowercase letter, it's allowable, although not advisable, to use it. "eBay is a great website!" would be used properly. but what do i know...im only finishing a communications master's degree.

now, go ahead and try to dissect this post and tell me exactly how im wrong again. even though im not, i am sure i will enjoy your attempt anyway.

I don't need to, you've also proved my point, so I rest my case. Oh the hypocrisy that comes out of anger, huh?

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Re: A sign of "change?"
Friday, August 07, 2009 8:00 PM on j-body.org
I love the spin put on the July jobless numbers. Let's put some truth to it:

From this story which originates from the AP, actually starting out talking about how the unemployment rate drops, here are the numbers that put it back into perspective, right in the very report that's been sighted today:

Quote:

A net total of 247,000 jobs were lost last month

The net loss means that the unemployment rate couldn't have gone down. It's that simple. And here is why the rate they reported dropped:
Quote:

If laid-off workers who have given up looking for new jobs or have settled for part-time work are included the unemployment rate would have been 16.3 percent in July.

The Beureau of Labor Statistics tracks unemployment in a few different ways. The one that's always reported is based on jobless benefits claims. As a lot of people are exhausting their unemployment benefits, even with the federal extentions, they still drop off the list. Also, people who stop looking for jobs (let their registrations in job search databases lapse), they stop showing up as part of the labor force. However, the fact remains that there are almost 15 million people out of work at the moment.

When we have a month with a net job gain, we can't start feeling like we might be at the turning point.

Also, if they manage to get Cap and Trade passed, forget it. I don't think it's going to happen this year, but if not, it will come back up next year. The only reason I don't think they'll be able to get it through next year is because it's a mid-term election year, and no one is going to want to campaign on having passed Cap and Trade in a depression.

As for Wall Street, you have to remember that they are looking for any reason to feel positive. That's the job of everyone there: trade for gains. They can only be dropping for so long at a time before they turn around. Funny how it was insignificant and nothing to pay attention to when it was dropping (Obama said it himself that he doesn't pay attention to it, because it's like a tracking poll in politics), but now that it's been moving upward, they want to use it as a good sign. Again, showing how they don't apply fair and even rules to anything.

I know you people love to say how I (or others who agree with me) just want to show you the bad news so that I can see Obama lose support, but that's not the case. I know that his policies are bad, I've read the bills he has passed, and/or wants to see passed, and I see how they are effecting, and are going to continue to effect, our economy. What I don't want to see is for people to get false hope, and all of a sudden his and congress' approval ratings go back up, so people start supporting what he wants to do. Why? because what they want to do is take more of it over, and limit the liberties of the people.






Re: A sign of "change?"
Friday, August 07, 2009 8:41 PM on j-body.org
Are things really that bliss full down in FL?

Quote:

Yes, some have murderer/killer mentality. Jeffrey Dahmer had the same prerogative, difference here is, one was paid for it, the other was considered crazy.
Just don't use tax money for your "killer fun" or bitch about other useless expense.


That's Every Marine I have meet, you realize to do that sort of a job, ya kinda need it.

Your going to get a wake up call some day.... Things 'out there' are not as well off as you want to believe.

Ive done things so you and your family can sleep safe, go to work and not have to wonder if a CHILD is going to blow them selves up, as they do in Israeli.

But, I grow tired of speaking to you, and people like you. I say let @!#$ go how you want it. when it hits the fan, My Oath will still hold true, even though you think badly of myself and people like me.


Chris




"An appeal to arms and the God of hosts is all that is left us. But we shall not fight our battle alone. There is a just God that presides over the destinies of nations. The battle sir, is not of the strong alone. Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death."

Speech at the Second Virginia Convention at St. John's Church in Richmond, Virginia (23 March 1775) Patrick Henry


Re: A sign of "change?"
Monday, August 10, 2009 2:18 PM on j-body.org
Mr.Goodwrench-G.T. wrote:

sndsgood wrote:

"Yes, nothing is better then for the tax payers to fund private industries that earn NET on avg $30-40 billions per qrt of record profit.
Simply unbelievable."



considering how this country would completly shut down and go into complete caos if we had no oil then i have no problem with goverment helping out.

your right oil companies do net billions of dollars in profit, but they also spend waaaayyyyy more getting that profit. making say 10 billion in profit when you spent 100 billion to get that profit is no diffrent then my company making 1 million in profit from spending 10 billion. both equal about 10% profit.


Yes, you are indeed correct that if oil production gets cut off, chaos would happen immediately. But oil exploration cost way under (a) Billion dollars and that's with the costlier under water exploration($10-$200millions). The amount of profit that the oil industries produces, is more than enough to explore on their very own, it is enough to explore on the moon or Mars. lol j/k

We don't need to fund them period, funding them is like funding Bill Gates so he can buy a Bugatti to get to work quicker, you know since we use his O/S. Much how we didn't like the funding of a failed GM, having a double standard and accepting to fund the powerful (by capital) oil industry is just as big of mistake, if not worse. And worse just because they already have money to explore.




it happens with almost all business out there, states cut companies tax breaks to come move into their state. the us helps out to try and keep companies in the coutry etc etc etc. i didnt care for funding gm because your funding a business, if gm goes under we can still buy cars. we pretty much buy all of our oil from other countries. so we are complelty reliant on someone else to keep our country intact, i dont mind our goverment funding some reasearch, finding out where our oil is and keeping tabs on it. as for what oil companies can fund, does anyone know what percentage of profit oil companies make every year. everyone keeps spouting off about billions of billions of profit, but its never taken into account of what percentage is profit versus money spent. for instance. microsoft made 15billion in revenue from 60 billion of earnings. that seems like a good percentage 25% right? i had thought with the oil companies it was in the 10% range. which would mean its microsoft screwing over the man versus the oil companies. and im sure microsoft gets a big tax break for making its home in silicon valley.


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Re: A sign of "change?"
Saturday, August 22, 2009 11:23 AM on j-body.org
A little bit but good news is found here.
News that (some) of you don't want to hear during this period of time.


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Re: A sign of "change?"
Saturday, August 22, 2009 11:44 AM on j-body.org
How many of those homes are being sold at a huge loss to prevent foreclosure? Around me homes are selling for up to a 1/4 of their assesed value because people just want to avoid a foreclosure on their record.

Also things are turning around and so much better that I just got laid off again due to.......you guessed it "reduction in workforce" due to a lack of work. there is not @!#$ happening around me that is not directly supported in some way by the federal government.

Mi. unemployment rate went up again. We are now at 15.6% (as of Julys numbers) and many like me will probably not factor into that list as I no longer qualify for unemployment.



Re: A sign of "change?"
Saturday, August 22, 2009 12:32 PM on j-body.org
house prices are getting inflated again and thats a good thing? sure, next thing you know the govt will force banks to hand out risky loans on over priced houses and then the economy will be fixed!!!

oh wait, thats what got us here in the first place.




Re: A sign of "change?"
Saturday, August 22, 2009 6:42 PM on j-body.org
Meanwhile, the fact of the "unexpected increase" in jobless claims last week is ignored. People bought more houses last month, and it appears, for the time being, that prices may have bottomed out. The stock market is half way back to where it was when everyone started claiming the recession was beginning. Can you say bubble? There is only a finite amount of time that narrowly reported snapshots of the economy can continue to looks positive, before the rest of it pulls it back to reality.

And I will remind you all, that the libs are still pushing for two bills that will be the nail in the coffin for the prosperity that has always been in the US. We will be looking at this recession as a permanent way of life. This is not fear mongering, this is reality.

As the C.A.R.S. program is cut short, watch what happens to auto sales in the next couple of months. Also, as you drive to work every day (if you are not unemployed), keep an eye out for those small use car dealers. You know the ones: a small lot, usually no more than a few dozen cars on the lot, maybe a 2 bay garage and a 2 desk office. See if any of them are out of business. Chances are, everyone here will be able to find one without looking hard. Many of them have been on the virge of collapse for months because of the recession, and one month of a major cut in business due to the C.A.R.S. program will be the final straw.

I don't say this to make people feel like there is no hope. I say this to get you to see that the only way to end this, and really get our economy turning around, is to get involved, and call your Representatives and Senators and tell them that you want them to support tax cuts, and to stop the government spending. Tell them to support policies that promote free market growth, and place less choking restrictions and fees on businesses, particularly the small ones. Tell them you want to see tort reform rather than a government take over of health care.







Re: A sign of "change?"
Sunday, August 23, 2009 12:37 PM on j-body.org
Havent been on in a while, but I was reading this and thought I would ask the big question......



why is everyone afraid of socialism? I would vote for a socialist president in a heartbeat (not democrats, from the actual socialist party). Most of Europe is socialist, and people aren't necessarily any worse off than we are here. I know it will never happen, but IMO the real socialist party would do a better job than both our conservative @*&#faces and the democrats. Since we pretty much only have 2 choices, id rather side with the democrats and get taxed more than side with people who actually want to push a religious agenda in our public schools... among other things.

btw, we all know the only real way to fix out deficit is to RAISE taxes. I wouldnt mind giving away half of my paycheck to the government if that meant I had free health care, subsidized housing, fuel, cars, etc.. And most importantly, that meant our economy as a country(not as an individual) would head in the right direction.



Re: A sign of "change?"
Sunday, August 23, 2009 12:57 PM on j-body.org
if you like it..


FU-KING MOVE


Chris





"An appeal to arms and the God of hosts is all that is left us. But we shall not fight our battle alone. There is a just God that presides over the destinies of nations. The battle sir, is not of the strong alone. Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death."

Speech at the Second Virginia Convention at St. John's Church in Richmond, Virginia (23 March 1775) Patrick Henry


Re: A sign of "change?"
Sunday, August 23, 2009 1:25 PM on j-body.org
Orlandomon wrote:


why is everyone afraid of socialism? I wouldnt mind giving away half of my paycheck to the government if that meant I had free health care, subsidized housing, fuel, cars, etc.. And most importantly, that meant our economy as a country(not as an individual) would head in the right direction.

while you may not mind it, most americans DO have a problem giving away most of their money so their neighbors can sit on their asses and get handouts from the govt. that is NOT what our country was founded on, and it is NOT where the majority of us want to go.

furthermore....why in the hell do you think the govt would supply those things you mentioned in a timely, proper manner? they cant run the programs they have now effectively. do you think that a switch to socialism would somehow magically make the bureaucracy better? no--it would only make it worse because once you are in a system like that, people have no motivation to do a good job. they get the same amount for their work whether they do a good job or not.

Orlandomon wrote:

btw, we all know the only real way to fix out deficit is to RAISE taxes.

no....the way to get out of a deficit is to CUT all of the fat out of a budget. and the more socialistic a nation, the more fat they have. if/when the govt raises taxes, all they do is spend exponentially more than they take in. doing this in a recession only puts you into it further




Re: A sign of "change?"
Sunday, August 23, 2009 1:32 PM on j-body.org
Orlandomon wrote:

btw, we all know the only real way to fix out deficit is to RAISE taxes.

Wrong. It has been proven more than once that lowering taxes, by stimulating economic activity, actually raises revenue, because taxes are taken out of a bigger economy. When you raise taxes, you shrink the economy.
Orlandomon wrote:

I wouldnt mind giving away half of my paycheck to the government if that meant I had free health care, subsidized housing, fuel, cars, etc.. And most importantly, that meant our economy as a country(not as an individual) would head in the right direction.

There are plenty of socialist countries out there that would love to have you. Pick one, and pack up. This country would never be as great as it has been if it were socialist.





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