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Ron Paul wants the Fed audited and is gaining support
Tuesday, June 30, 2009 11:07 AM on j-body.org
awesome news! this should have been done a LONG time ago.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/24/mr-popular-rep-paul-wins-supporters-fed-sunshine/?test=latestnews



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Re: Ron Paul wants the Fed audited and is gaining support
Tuesday, June 30, 2009 12:50 PM on j-body.org
FTA:
Quote:

But the move to require an audit, which Paul described as "neutral," puts him a bit more in the congressional mainstream.
It took him HOW many years to figure this out?
I've been saying he should do this, and now that he is, how do you Revolutionists feel about it?




fortune cookie say: better a delay than a disaster
Re: Ron Paul wants the Fed audited and is gaining support
Tuesday, June 30, 2009 1:01 PM on j-body.org
OHV notec wrote:

It took him HOW many years to figure this out?


from the article I linked:

Quote:

Paul attracted just 18 co-sponsors when he authored a similar bill, which died, in 1983.


seems like he figured out years ago.

my question is... has anyone else tried something like this except for him?



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Re: Ron Paul wants the Fed audited and is gaining support
Tuesday, June 30, 2009 1:08 PM on j-body.org
FReQ GTO LS2 wrote:

seems like he figured out years ago.
That's not what I was going for. He's finally going at things from a perspective others can share (article says 'neutral'). During the election season I was saying that he went at things with an extremist view, and that he wouldn't be able to convince people like that... People wanted a change in direction, not a political tidal wave.




fortune cookie say: better a delay than a disaster
Re: Ron Paul wants the Fed audited and is gaining support
Tuesday, June 30, 2009 3:34 PM on j-body.org
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Unfortunately for Paul, the bill appears to be idling in the House Financial Services Committee, which is chaired by Barney Frank, D-Mass.

If this bill doesn't actually get through, somehow Frank will still be calling it the Republicans' fault, though.






Re: Ron Paul wants the Fed audited and is gaining support
Wednesday, July 01, 2009 5:36 AM on j-body.org
Quiklilcav wrote:

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Unfortunately for Paul, the bill appears to be idling in the House Financial Services Committee, which is chaired by Barney Frank, D-Mass.

If this bill doesn't actually get through, somehow Frank will still be calling it the Republicans' fault, though.



Truth. I for one would love to see this go through.


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Re: Ron Paul wants the Fed audited and is gaining support
Thursday, July 02, 2009 5:30 AM on j-body.org
it will get quiet just sitting there and pushed aside and they will try and forget about it.


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Re: Ron Paul wants the Fed audited and is gaining support
Thursday, July 02, 2009 6:11 AM on j-body.org
sndsgood wrote:

it will get quiet just sitting there and pushed aside and they will try and forget about it.


Unfortunately you are probably spot on.


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Re: Ron Paul wants the Fed audited and is gaining support
Thursday, July 02, 2009 8:31 AM on j-body.org
Funny how bad legislation gets rushed through and something that might be beneficial to the country is kept quiet...


wysiwyg wrote:

i would say they bang, they don't really pound so much. but if
you want to bump, then they will bump and hit real hard and a lot good.

LOL
Re: Ron Paul wants the Fed audited and is gaining support
Thursday, July 02, 2009 10:15 AM on j-body.org
its because you have to do things according to your emotions and not rational thinking.


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Re: Ron Paul wants the Fed audited and is gaining support
Thursday, July 02, 2009 12:39 PM on j-body.org
And I thought the world was run by men.


wysiwyg wrote:

i would say they bang, they don't really pound so much. but if
you want to bump, then they will bump and hit real hard and a lot good.

LOL

Re: Ron Paul wants the Fed audited and is gaining support
Thursday, July 02, 2009 1:30 PM on j-body.org
ChrisH4Life wrote:

Funny how bad legislation gets rushed through and something that might be beneficial to the country is kept quiet...

Because there is nothing in this bill that will piss off the public, so no rush to pass it before anyone reads it.

This is about actual transparency, rather than the bullsh!t Obama keeps calling transparency, which is creating board after board of people he appoints that report to him. Which means if this bill actually passes, as soon as they start finding anything, Obama will start firing people, and the congress will just let him keep making unconstitutional moves.

Hell, he can't even follow the rules he pushed for, why would anyone expect him to follow the rules someone else makes?







Re: Ron Paul wants the Fed audited and is gaining support
Thursday, July 09, 2009 11:20 AM on j-body.org
And this is the Government that BY the people, FOR the people, supposedly? It's strange how almost everyone knows the government runs your country like @!#$, oversteps it's boundaries every time I care to listen to what the last move it's made was, and it's still in power pushing poor legislation through and holding back possibly beneficial to the whole nation legislation, wasting bazillions. Who's going to do something about it?

Ron Paul 4 Prez.


wysiwyg wrote:

i would say they bang, they don't really pound so much. but if
you want to bump, then they will bump and hit real hard and a lot good.

LOL
Re: Ron Paul wants the Fed audited and is gaining support
Friday, July 10, 2009 6:02 PM on j-body.org
keep your powder dry.


Chris




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Re: Ron Paul wants the Fed audited and is gaining support
Saturday, August 29, 2009 9:38 PM on j-body.org
Barney Frank: House will pass Ron Paul’s ‘audit the Fed’ bill this year

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Powerful House Financial Services Committee chairman says central bank’s lending powers to be ‘curtailed’

Congressman Barney Frank (D-MA), one of the most unabashed liberals in the U.S. House of Representatives, told a Massachusetts town hall recently that Texas Republican Congressman Ron Paul’s bill to audit the Federal Reserve will clear his chamber by October.

Over half of the House members, most of them Republican, have signed on to the bill, H.R. 1207.

Though Frank disagrees — as many proponents of the bill contend — that the Fed is the cause of the U.S. dollar’s shrinking value, he told a Massachusetts audience that he’s been a proponent of greater transparency at the nation’s central bank for some time.

“Here’s what we plan to do: I want to restrict the powers of the Federal Reserve in a number of ways,” he said. “First of all, they will be the major losers of power if we’re successful, as I believe we will be, setting up that, uh, financial product protection committee.”

The committee Frank mentioned was proposed by President Barack Obama during the campaign, as a way of protecting consumers. It was formally presented to Congress in the President’s financial regulatory reform white papers in July, noted law firm Wiley Rein LLP.

“The Federal Reserve is now charged with protecting consumers,” continued Frank. “They were supposed to do sub-prime mortgage restricted … Congress in 1994 gave the Federal Reserve the power to adopt rules to ban bad sub-prime mortgages. … They have the power to ban credit card abuses. They have the power to do most of it. They, under Greenspan, did nothing.

“Under Bernanke, they started to do things, but only after Congress started, when I became chairman of the [House Financial Services Committee], we began to act on these things: Sub-prime mortgages, credit cards, overdraft … And after we started, the Fed did. So, that’s why one of the reasons why in the new consumer protection agency we will take away from the Federal Reserve the power to do consumer protection.”

Frank added that Congress will reverse an action by the Democratic Congress of 1932 that gives the Fed authority to lend money at will.

“Under section 13.3 of the Federal Reserve Act, they can lend money to whoever they want,” he said. “We are going to curtail that lending power. We are going to put some constraints on it.”

He concluded: “Finally, we are going to subject them to a complete audit. I’ve been working with Ron Paul, the main sponsor of that bill …” Several in the audience applauded. “He believes that we don’t want to have the audit appear as if it is influencing monetary policy because that would be inflationary … One of the things that will show you is what the Federal Reserve buys and sells. That will be made public, but not instantly. If it were instant, you would have a lot of people trading off that and it would have too much impact on the market. Again, Ron agrees with that. So, we will probably have that data released after a time period of several months — enough time so it won’t be market sensitive.”

Danger in transparency?

The pervasive argument against transparency at the nation’s central banking institution was repeated by Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner during a recent dialog with popular social bookmarking Web site Digg.com.

Geithner said that he’s sure “people understand that you want to keep politics out of monetary policy,” adding that auditing the Fed is “a line that we do not want to cross” because of the possible danger to the U.S. economy.

The argument is strikingly similar to one posed by the Federal Reserve’s legal counsel in a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit filed by Bloomberg News in an attempt to force disclosure of the institutions that received billions in bailout money.

Loretta Preska, chief judge of the Manhattan U.S. District Court, ruled Monday that the Fed had “improperly withheld agency records” in response to the FOIA request, adding that the argument of danger to the economy was based merely on “conjecture” and not evidence.

“[The] risk of looking weak to competitors and shareholders is an inherent risk of market participation; information tending to increase that risk does not make the information privileged or confidential,” she wrote.

Opposition to Fed powers growing

Eliot Spitzer, the disgraced former Governor and Attorney General of New York — at one time known as the “sheriff” of Wall Street — has assaulted the bank bailouts as “America’s greatest theft and cover-up ever” and called the Federal Reserve a “Ponzi scheme” that must be held accountable for its actions.

Additionally, the House Domestic Policy Subcommittee plans to probe how the Troubled Asset Relief Program’s (TARP) funds were dispersed by the Fed. Expressing his frustration before the Government and Oversight Committee, Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) suggested that the Federal Reserve may be paying banks to hoard money and avoid making loans, instead of using the TARP funds to keep people in their homes.

To support his assertion, Kucinich cited a Bloomberg report which noted that “banks’ excess reserves at the Fed rose to a record $877.1 billion daily average in the two weeks ended May 20, from $2 billion a year earlier.”

“Excess reserves — money available for lending that banks choose to leave with the Fed instead — averaged $743.9 billion in the first two weeks of this month,” the report continued.

“First, Congress was told that TARP was for the purchase of toxic assets, to help keep people in their homes,” the Congressman said. “Then the Bush Administration switched the program. Next, Congress was told that the TARP funds were instead needed to bail out the banks, in the form of a direct capital infusion, to keep credit markets alive.”

In a media advisory, Kucinich added, “If TARP isn’t about keeping people in their homes or providing credit to businesses, what is it for? I think the vast majority of Americans would be outraged to learn their tax dollars were facilitating hoarding at the Fed and increased profit making for banks.”

Kucinich’s Domestic Policy Subcommittee has also undertaken an investigation of the Fed’s bailout of the Bank of American-Merrill Lynch merger. “Specific documents subpoenaed include emails, notes of conversations and other documents,” his office noted.

“You look at the governing structure of the New York [Federal Reserve], it was run by the very banks that got the money,” Eliot Spitzer told MSNBC’s Morning Meeting host Dylan Ratigan in late July. “This is a Ponzi scheme, an inside job. It is outrageous, it is time for Congress to say enough of this. And to give them more power now is crazy. The Fed needs to be examined carefully.”

Concluding his answer to the question of auditing the Federal Reserve, Rep. Frank told the Massachusetts audience: “The House will pass [H.R. 1207] probably in October.”
The page has some links I didn't bother to include and a video.

This sounds like good news to me. I'm sure for many of you - this might be the first time you have actually been glad to hear Barney Frank speak. LOL.





Re: Ron Paul wants the Fed audited and is gaining support
Monday, August 31, 2009 3:04 PM on j-body.org
it should be interesting unless it gets bogged down and it doesnt get the press it should. not to even get into the fact that the goverment or federal reserve going transparent will likely cost us more money. working with the goverment on projects ive learned it takes 10x the money and 10x the time to do anything.


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