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Obama Underwrites Offshore Drilling
Friday, August 21, 2009 9:52 AM on j-body.org
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203863204574346610120524166.html



Quote:

You read that headline correctly. Unfortunately, the Obama Administration is financing oil exploration off Brazil.

The U.S. is going to lend billions of dollars to Brazil's state-owned oil company, Petrobras, to finance exploration of the huge offshore discovery in Brazil's Tupi oil field in the Santos Basin near Rio de Janeiro. Brazil's planning minister confirmed that White House National Security Adviser James Jones met this month with Brazilian officials to talk about the loan.

The U.S. Export-Import Bank tells us it has issued a "preliminary commitment" letter to Petrobras in the amount of $2 billion and has discussed with Brazil the possibility of increasing that amount. Ex-Im Bank says it has not decided whether the money will come in the form of a direct loan or loan guarantees. Either way, this corporate foreign aid may strike some readers as odd, given that the U.S. Treasury seems desperate for cash and Petrobras is one of the largest corporations in the Americas.

But look on the bright side. If President Obama has embraced offshore drilling in Brazil, why not in the old U.S.A.? The land of the sorta free and the home of the heavily indebted has enormous offshore oil deposits, and last year ahead of the November elections, with gasoline at $4 a gallon, Congress let a ban on offshore drilling expire.

The Bush Administration's five-year plan (2007-2012) to open the outer continental shelf to oil exploration included new lease sales in the Gulf of Mexico. But in 2007 environmentalists went to court to block drilling in Alaska and in April a federal court ruled in their favor. In May, Interior Secretary Ken Salazar said his department was unsure whether that ruling applied only to Alaska or all offshore drilling. So it asked an appeals court for clarification. Late last month the court said the earlier decision applied only to Alaska, opening the way for the sale of leases in the Gulf. Mr. Salazar now says the sales will go forward on August 19.

This is progress, however slow. But it still doesn't allow the U.S. to explore in Alaska or along the East and West Coasts, which could be our equivalent of the Tupi oil fields, which are set to make Brazil a leading oil exporter. Americans are right to wonder why Mr. Obama is underwriting in Brazil what he won't allow at home.




Well, it's not like drilling here would bring any benefit to the country in jobs or oil. It's much better to invest our billions helping some other county become an oil exporter, while selling it back to us at market price.

/sarcasm


And even better, Obamas buddy George Soros has a huge stake in the Brazillian company Petrobras that Obama is funding. He magically sold much of it off just a few days ago.










Re: Obama Underwrites Offshore Drilling
Friday, August 21, 2009 3:28 PM on j-body.org
*waits for obama supporters to drone on about how/why this is a good idea and in the next breath mention haliburton as a negative bush practice*





Re: Obama Underwrites Offshore Drilling
Friday, August 21, 2009 8:15 PM on j-body.org
Seems I remember 9 months ago that drilling here for oil, in and off itself would fix out economic problems (much of it to do with jobs, cheep fuel is a gimmie)



His middle name is hussein!

Wake up people!

Chris




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Re: Obama Underwrites Offshore Drilling
Saturday, August 22, 2009 8:19 AM on j-body.org
J03Y wrote:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203863204574346610120524166.html



Quote:

You read that headline correctly. Unfortunately, the Obama Administration is financing oil exploration off Brazil.

The U.S. is going to lend billions of dollars to Brazil's state-owned oil company, Petrobras, to finance exploration of the huge offshore discovery in Brazil's Tupi oil field in the Santos Basin near Rio de Janeiro. Brazil's planning minister confirmed that White House National Security Adviser James Jones met this month with Brazilian officials to talk about the loan.

The U.S. Export-Import Bank tells us it has issued a "preliminary commitment" letter to Petrobras in the amount of $2 billion and has discussed with Brazil the possibility of increasing that amount. Ex-Im Bank says it has not decided whether the money will come in the form of a direct loan or loan guarantees. Either way, this corporate foreign aid may strike some readers as odd, given that the U.S. Treasury seems desperate for cash and Petrobras is one of the largest corporations in the Americas.

But look on the bright side. If President Obama has embraced offshore drilling in Brazil, why not in the old U.S.A.? The land of the sorta free and the home of the heavily indebted has enormous offshore oil deposits, and last year ahead of the November elections, with gasoline at $4 a gallon, Congress let a ban on offshore drilling expire.

The Bush Administration's five-year plan (2007-2012) to open the outer continental shelf to oil exploration included new lease sales in the Gulf of Mexico. But in 2007 environmentalists went to court to block drilling in Alaska and in April a federal court ruled in their favor. In May, Interior Secretary Ken Salazar said his department was unsure whether that ruling applied only to Alaska or all offshore drilling. So it asked an appeals court for clarification. Late last month the court said the earlier decision applied only to Alaska, opening the way for the sale of leases in the Gulf. Mr. Salazar now says the sales will go forward on August 19.

This is progress, however slow. But it still doesn't allow the U.S. to explore in Alaska or along the East and West Coasts, which could be our equivalent of the Tupi oil fields, which are set to make Brazil a leading oil exporter. Americans are right to wonder why Mr. Obama is underwriting in Brazil what he won't allow at home.




Well, it's not like drilling here would bring any benefit to the country in jobs or oil. It's much better to invest our billions helping some other county become an oil exporter, while selling it back to us at market price.

/sarcasm


And even better, Obamas buddy George Soros has a huge stake in the Brazillian company Petrobras that Obama is funding. He magically sold much of it off just a few days ago.


Looks like people got confused with the word "lend" with "giving." Which I had to highlight to show what it said.
My question is, what are the strings attached; I would like to read the "preliminary commitment" letter to see if there are interests in which it may help us after all.
Also DC for quite sometime gives enough capital and tax breaks to our US oil industries to cover them very nicely.


Taetsch Z-24 wrote:



His middle name is hussein!

Wake up people!

Chris


She must have a family relationship with you. har-har


THE POLITICALLY INCORRECT ONE.

Re: Obama Underwrites Offshore Drilling
Saturday, August 22, 2009 10:54 AM on j-body.org
I would like to know how we are "lending" money that we dont have.



Re: Obama Underwrites Offshore Drilling
Saturday, August 22, 2009 12:36 PM on j-body.org
its actually a very technical process by which we print money w/o having anything to back it up. but instead of giving it to the people we give it to other nations and *hope* they dont flood it back into our own system. now they owe us money and everything is better! (as long as it doesnt backfire horribly)




Re: Obama Underwrites Offshore Drilling
Monday, August 24, 2009 2:50 PM on j-body.org
god i want to be the goverment, it would be so nice to spend money i dont have.


this probalby goes alont the lines of heres some cash to dig for oil. if you find some and start selling it, we want a good deal on it. problaby not a bad thing but still no reason not to start drilling for our own oil


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Re: Obama Underwrites Offshore Drilling
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 7:00 AM on j-body.org
sndsgood wrote:

god i want to be the goverment, it would be so nice to spend money i dont have.


You can, it's called a credit card.

JO3Y wrote:

And even better, Obamas buddy George Soros has a huge stake in the Brazillian company Petrobras that Obama is funding. He magically sold much of it off just a few days ago.


Reminds me of defense contracts with companies Cheney had interests in, seems to me the same bull@!#$ is being pulled.



Re: Obama Underwrites Offshore Drilling
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 7:05 AM on j-body.org
ThatGuy85 wrote:

sndsgood wrote:

god i want to be the goverment, it would be so nice to spend money i dont have.


You can, it's called a credit card.

JO3Y wrote:

And even better, Obamas buddy George Soros has a huge stake in the Brazillian company Petrobras that Obama is funding. He magically sold much of it off just a few days ago.


Reminds me of defense contracts with companies Cheney had interests in, seems to me the same bull@!#$ is being pulled.


Its politicians in general that do this but look at how many top dems. stand to benefit from "green legislation". Most of them have huge stakes in the companies that stand to benefit the most from this.



Re: Obama Underwrites Offshore Drilling
Tuesday, August 25, 2009 2:18 PM on j-body.org
its not just politicians, it happen in almost every industry there is. if your buddy with a guy theres a good chance he will help you out if your in the same field.


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Re: Obama Underwrites Offshore Drilling
Wednesday, August 26, 2009 10:42 AM on j-body.org
Difference is the previous administration used our military and US tax payer's money to accommodate Cheney's former employer [Haliburton] with no-bid contracts and carry out their mischievous deeds with their "friends." And the ones that will benefit from this are the oil tycoons. All with your money.


THE POLITICALLY INCORRECT ONE.


Re: Obama Underwrites Offshore Drilling
Wednesday, August 26, 2009 11:01 AM on j-body.org
and im saying there isnt much diffrence because it happens in every industry. is it wrong. yeah a little bit. but its not something that is spicifically done by the goverment, or specificially by republicans. its done by everyone with your money.


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Re: Obama Underwrites Offshore Drilling
Wednesday, August 26, 2009 3:07 PM on j-body.org
Mr.Goodwrench-G.T. wrote:

Difference is the previous administration used our military and US tax payer's money to accommodate Cheney's former employer [Haliburton] with no-bid contracts and carry out their mischievous deeds with their "friends." And the ones that will benefit from this are the oil tycoons. All with your money.

....and why exactly arent you mad as hell about this? no rant? no barely decipherable tirade? youre just going to let this roll off your shoulder because...?

oh wait.......its not a republican doing it. so i guess that means its acceptable. gotcha.




Re: Obama Underwrites Offshore Drilling
Thursday, August 27, 2009 8:42 AM on j-body.org
Green power is not about hugging trees and lining hippie governors pockets with cash.


IT IS ABOUT

1. Pollution control.
2. Decrease dependency on foreign oil.
3. Renewable energy forever. Not from a limited source such as oil.

LOOK at a company called Omni Watt and see what it has done for Germany. Revolutionary if you ask me.



My Cav
I give up...
i'm buying a VW those people love trees, so they should love eachother too... "Andy"
Re: Obama Underwrites Offshore Drilling
Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:35 AM on j-body.org
look at who stands to benefit the most from "green technology" in the US. You will notice that most of teh top Dems have ties to the companies that stand to make huge profits off of this. But I dont expect you to take the time to research it.


I would really like to see some more nukes being built but it seems that every time its proposed some politician delays it somehow.



Re: Obama Underwrites Offshore Drilling
Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:26 AM on j-body.org
(tabs) wrote:

Mr.Goodwrench-G.T. wrote:

Difference is the previous administration used our military and US tax payer's money to accommodate Cheney's former employer [Haliburton] with no-bid contracts and carry out their mischievous deeds with their "friends." And the ones that will benefit from this are the oil tycoons. All with your money.

....and why exactly arent you mad as hell about this? no rant? no barely decipherable tirade? youre just going to let this roll off your shoulder because...?

oh wait.......its not a republican doing it. so i guess that means its acceptable. gotcha.

Because like I said up there, I don't know the final documents and I'm not going to jump the gun and decide on "preliminary reports." The other reason is because we are not are "giving" this money like we do with US big oil, so (I) wonder if there will be interests tacked on, or is this country going to benefit from it, I dunno. Nobody on this thread knows with concrete details to this. So you really can't throw "its not a republican doing it" card because the difference to what your buddy Cheney did is already out there and confirmed. And if you have any business moral, you'll see it is unacceptable.



THE POLITICALLY INCORRECT ONE.

Re: Obama Underwrites Offshore Drilling
Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:10 PM on j-body.org
then id say a good 50-60% of the construction industry is immoral lol


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Re: Obama Underwrites Offshore Drilling
Saturday, August 29, 2009 1:52 AM on j-body.org
sndsgood wrote:

then id say a good 50-60% of the construction industry is immoral lol
Well I'll tell you from previous experience that enough of the construction industry consists of alcoholics and/or drug addicts. Something about a decent paying job that has no drug test which tends to attract that crowd.





Re: Obama Underwrites Offshore Drilling
Monday, August 31, 2009 9:55 AM on j-body.org
bk3k wrote:

sndsgood wrote:

then id say a good 50-60% of the construction industry is immoral lol
Well I'll tell you from previous experience that enough of the construction industry consists of alcoholics and/or drug addicts. Something about a decent paying job that has no drug test which tends to attract that crowd.




what state are you working in? in indiana and ohio drug tests are a big thing, most companies do it annually not to mention random tests every couple months, not to mention most large faciliites are doing random drug testing on jobsites as well. i usually end up taking about 4-5 drug tests a year from my company and just other companies and im on the engineer side. our field guys usually end up taking more then that. saftey in the last 5-10 years has gotten huge in the construction industry.


as far as the alcoholic part. thats more likely because i dont really know of any construciton workers that dont drink.


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Re: Obama Underwrites Offshore Drilling
Monday, August 31, 2009 10:06 AM on j-body.org
bk3k wrote:

sndsgood wrote:

then id say a good 50-60% of the construction industry is immoral lol
Well I'll tell you from previous experience that enough of the construction industry consists of alcoholics and/or drug addicts. Something about a decent paying job that has no drug test which tends to attract that crowd.



Drug addicts?? Be hard pressed to find any of those on the job sites I have worked on. One strike and you are out. Very few would be willing to risk that, especially with a 2000 man lay off list for the journeyman. Alcoholic I can sort of see but if you show up on a job drunk you can expect to be sent home right away or even back to the local hall.



Re: Obama Underwrites Offshore Drilling
Monday, August 31, 2009 10:41 AM on j-body.org
sndsgood wrote:

what state are you working in? in indiana and ohio drug tests are a big thing, most companies do it annually not to mention random tests every couple months, not to mention most large faciliites are doing random drug testing on jobsites as well. i usually end up taking about 4-5 drug tests a year from my company and just other companies and im on the engineer side. our field guys usually end up taking more then that. saftey in the last 5-10 years has gotten huge in the construction industry.


as far as the alcoholic part. thats more likely because i dont really know of any construciton workers that dont drink.

mitdr774 wrote:

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bk3k wrote:

Drug addicts?? Be hard pressed to find any of those on the job sites I have worked on. One strike and you are out. Very few would be willing to risk that, especially with a 2000 man lay off list for the journeyman. Alcoholic I can sort of see but if you show up on a job drunk you can expect to be sent home right away or even back to the local hall.

I'm not talking as much about skilled union work - but general labor(roofing/siding/drywall/etc). My only experience had been working for general contractors. I don't do that anymore, the whole experience is enough that I'm no longer interested. Too many co-workers who once getting a paycheck, don't want to show up til they run out of that money. Between that and the idiot people I worked for... no thanks.






Re: Obama Underwrites Offshore Drilling
Monday, August 31, 2009 11:34 AM on j-body.org
Off topic, bk3k, could you have failed any harder with the quotes there?





Re: Obama Underwrites Offshore Drilling
Monday, August 31, 2009 2:59 PM on j-body.org
ehhh i can't give him grief about that, im problaby the worst at doing quotes here lol.


ahh so your more talking day labor, hey i need 10 guys to work today hop in the truck. well that is a heavily unregulated side. i dont really consider that part true construction. their more handymen lol


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Re: Obama Underwrites Offshore Drilling
Monday, August 31, 2009 9:13 PM on j-body.org
Greedy Capitalist Pig wrote:

Off topic, bk3k, could you have failed any harder with the quotes there?
I think I failed hard enough. Any more is just showing off.





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