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The Swiss vs. Islam
Monday, November 30, 2009 5:21 PM on j-body.org
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Swiss ban mosque minarets in surprise constitutional vote

GENEVA -- Swiss voters overwhelmingly approved a constitutional ban on minarets on Sunday, barring construction of the iconic mosque towers in a surprise vote that put Switzerland at the forefront of a European backlash against a growing Muslim population.

Muslim groups in Switzerland and abroad condemned the vote as biased and anti-Islamic. Business groups said the decision hurt Switzerland's international standing and could damage relations with Muslim nations and wealthy investors who bank, travel and shop there.

"The Swiss have failed to give a clear signal for diversity, freedom of religion and human rights," said Omar Al-Rawi, integration representative of the Islamic Denomination in Austria, which said its reaction was "grief and deep disappointment."

About 300 people turned out for a spontaneous demonstration on the square outside parliament, holding up signs saying, "That is not my Switzerland," placing candles in front of a model of a minaret and making another minaret shape out of the candles themselves.

"We're sorry," said another sign. A young woman pinned to her jacket a piece of paper saying, "Swiss passport for sale."

The referendum by the nationalist Swiss People's Party labeled minarets as symbols of rising Muslim political power that could one day transform Switzerland into an Islamic nation. The initiative was approved 57.5 to 42.5 percent by some 2.67 million voters. Only four of the 26 cantons or states opposed the initiative, granting the double approval that makes it part of the Swiss constitution.

Muslims comprise about 6 percent of Switzerland's 7.5 million people. Many are refugees from the Yugoslav wars of the 1990s and about one in 10 actively practices their religion, the government says.

The country's four standing minarets, which won't be affected by the ban, do not traditionally broadcast the call to prayer outside their own buildings.

The sponsors of the initiative provoked complaints of bias from local officials and human-rights group with campaign posters that showed minarets rising like missiles from the Swiss flag next to a fully veiled woman. Backers said the growing Muslim population was straining the country "because Muslims don't just practice religion."

"The minaret is a sign of political power and demand, comparable with whole-body covering by the burqa, tolerance of forced marriage and genital mutilation of girls," the sponsors said. They noted that Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has compared mosques to Islam's military barracks and called "the minarets our bayonets."

Anxieties about growing Muslim minorities have rippled across Europe in recent years, leading to legal changes in some countries. There have been French moves to ban the full-length body covering known as the burqa. Some German states have introduced bans on head scarves for Muslim women teaching in public schools. Mosques and minaret construction projects in Sweden, France, Italy, Austria, Greece, Germany and Slovenia have been met by protests.

But the Swiss ban in minarets, sponsored by the country's largest political party, was one of the most extreme reactions.

"It's a sad day for freedom of religion," said Mohammed Shafiq, the chief executive of the Ramadhan Foundation, a British youth organization. "A constitutional amendment that's targeted towards one religious community is discriminatory and abhorrent."

He said he was concerned the decision could have reverberations in other European countries.

Amnesty International said the vote violated freedom of religion and would probably be overturned by the Swiss supreme court or the European Court of Human Rights.

The seven-member Cabinet that heads the Swiss government had spoken out strongly against the initiative but the government said it accepted the vote and would impose an immediate ban on minaret construction.

It said that "Muslims in Switzerland are able to practice their religion alone or in community with others, and live according to their beliefs just as before." It took the unusual step of issuing its press release in Arabic as well as German, French, Italian and English.

Sunday's results stood in stark contrast to opinion polls, last taken 10 days ago, that showed 37 percent supporting the proposal. Experts said before the vote that they feared Swiss had pretended during the polling that they opposed the ban because they didn't want to appear intolerant.

"The sponsors of the ban have achieved something everyone wanted to prevent, and that is to influence and change the relations to Muslims and their social integration in a negative way," said Taner Hatipoglu, president of the Federation of Islamic Organizations in Zurich. "Muslims indeed will not feel safe anymore."

The People's Party has campaigned mainly unsuccessfully in previous years against immigrants with campaign posters showing white sheep kicking a black sheep off the Swiss flag and another with brown hands grabbing eagerly for Swiss passports.

Geneva's main mosque was vandalized Thursday when someone threw a pot of pink paint at the entrance. Earlier this month, a vehicle with a loudspeaker drove through the area imitating a muezzin's call to prayer, and vandals damaged a mosaic when they threw cobblestones at the building.

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Good start or going to far? I can't decide.








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Re: The Swiss vs. Islam
Tuesday, December 01, 2009 5:17 AM on j-body.org
Read in to what islam has done to the Danes......

There not to happy with them too.

Chris



"An appeal to arms and the God of hosts is all that is left us. But we shall not fight our battle alone. There is a just God that presides over the destinies of nations. The battle sir, is not of the strong alone. Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death."

Speech at the Second Virginia Convention at St. John's Church in Richmond, Virginia (23 March 1775) Patrick Henry


Re: The Swiss vs. Islam
Tuesday, December 01, 2009 2:19 PM on j-body.org
WAAAYYYYY too far...
This is because they think 6% of their population is going to turn them into an Islamic nation?
Stupidity and fear at their finest...




fortune cookie say: better a delay than a disaster
Re: The Swiss vs. Islam
Tuesday, December 01, 2009 3:15 PM on j-body.org
Yeah...next thing you know, they'll allow Sharia law for certain segments of society... cough England cough...

It'll get overturned in some international courtroom that reigns supreme over a sovreign nation..... well....kinda like we'll be under the thumb of the UN after Copenhagen.

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Re: The Swiss vs. Islam
Wednesday, December 02, 2009 12:56 PM on j-body.org
As I read this I can't help but think that now the jihad is going to turn their anger towards the swiss. I think now the swiss are more likely to suffer the next 9-11 style attack.

As much as I believe in freedom of religion you have to put somekind of restrictions on it. The muslim religion violates womens rights! So who's rights do you protect?



FORGET GIRLS GONE WILD WE HAVE GOVERNMENT SPENDING GONE WILD!

Re: The Swiss vs. Islam
Wednesday, December 02, 2009 4:50 PM on j-body.org
I dont think that they have to worrie about the jihad to much...

Each persion between the age of 18-35 gets issued a FN-FAL, or a M16A2/A4.... and must shoot 400 rounds a month.

There really nice people though.




Chris




"An appeal to arms and the God of hosts is all that is left us. But we shall not fight our battle alone. There is a just God that presides over the destinies of nations. The battle sir, is not of the strong alone. Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death."

Speech at the Second Virginia Convention at St. John's Church in Richmond, Virginia (23 March 1775) Patrick Henry


Re: The Swiss vs. Islam
Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:39 PM on j-body.org
Taetsch Z-24 wrote:

I dont think that they have to worrie about the jihad to much...

Each persion between the age of 18-35 gets issued a FN-FAL, or a M16A2/A4.... and must shoot 400 rounds a month.

There really nice people though.



Chris

I'll take the one on the right. Chris, you can have your pick of the other two. You going big, or going exotic?




Re: The Swiss vs. Islam
Thursday, December 03, 2009 5:59 AM on j-body.org
Try each, go from there...

LOL

Chris




"An appeal to arms and the God of hosts is all that is left us. But we shall not fight our battle alone. There is a just God that presides over the destinies of nations. The battle sir, is not of the strong alone. Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death."

Speech at the Second Virginia Convention at St. John's Church in Richmond, Virginia (23 March 1775) Patrick Henry


Re: The Swiss vs. Islam
Thursday, December 03, 2009 9:48 AM on j-body.org
Taetsch Z-24 wrote:

I dont think that they have to worrie about the jihad to much...

Each persion between the age of 18-35 gets issued a FN-FAL, or a M16A2/A4.... and must shoot 400 rounds a month.

There really nice people though.




Chris


I forgot all about that. We are a much easier target, a country over poplulated by complacent, gay is OK politically correct, MTV brainwashed sheeple.



FORGET GIRLS GONE WILD WE HAVE GOVERNMENT SPENDING GONE WILD!

Re: The Swiss vs. Islam
Thursday, December 03, 2009 1:25 PM on j-body.org
Ya, Look who got voted in office!


Chris




"An appeal to arms and the God of hosts is all that is left us. But we shall not fight our battle alone. There is a just God that presides over the destinies of nations. The battle sir, is not of the strong alone. Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death."

Speech at the Second Virginia Convention at St. John's Church in Richmond, Virginia (23 March 1775) Patrick Henry


Re: The Swiss vs. Islam
Thursday, December 10, 2009 7:33 PM on j-body.org
Taetsch Z-24 wrote:

I dont think that they have to worrie about the jihad to much...

Each persion between the age of 18-35 gets issued a FN-FAL, or a M16A2/A4.... and must shoot 400 rounds a month.

There really nice people though.




Chris


i <3 Swiss firearm policy.






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Re: The Swiss vs. Islam
Sunday, December 13, 2009 8:30 AM on j-body.org
Dude sheeple I love that. LOL


As for Sweden I wold worry for them more financially. An attack that way of the wealthy Middle Eastern families moving their money. Some I am sure have or will and some won't because they are more interested in business. I think it is an improper way of dealing with the situation. But thats the architect in me. What worries them is yes the Sharai law that has been imposed in countries originating from non muslim culture, along with the countries losing their culture. I don't know what is worse it here or there. I personally don't have a big problem with Islam as long as they follow the laws that every citizen, tourist, and alien has to follow. It is easy to see their worry these countries have centuries to a millenia of history and culture which is being overridden by Islam in a very very short time the problem is they want a balance.


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