I want.


That is all....

The Kappa car is a great example of GM delivering exactly what they showed and what the customer begged for. It's a better example of how to loose money in a project: even when the customers' expectations were eclipsed.

This Cruze is juvenille and tacky, but I like it. However, I don't believe it is what the majority are looking for.

I'd rather see a decent powertrain option with the body parts offered as a parts offering only. IE Extreme tuner kit. Except they need to make sure it's available when the car is...lol

GM hatred is rampant everywhere. But consider it more of a mob mentality where rationale has long since gone out the window. I have engaged with thousands upon thousands of GM haters in my life. The ovewrwhelming majority don't actually understand themselves why they hate GM.

I just wish there were an AWD variant. I've long wanted some sort of Modular design. Why can't we choose OUR car if we want? I get that there needs to be cars on the dealership lot to sell, however why not have a car built to what a certain customer wants? List the LNF and some sort of AWD system. I'm willing to custom order my car and wait the 3 months until It's done, and perhaps pay a premium to get it.

The "custom cars" would be very low volume, but why not give us the option?

if its not a 2 door i could care less



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Brocklanders wrote:I just wish there were an AWD variant. I've long wanted some sort of Modular design. Why can't we choose OUR car if we want? I get that there needs to be cars on the dealership lot to sell, however why not have a car built to what a certain customer wants? List the LNF and some sort of AWD system. I'm willing to custom order my car and wait the 3 months until It's done, and perhaps pay a premium to get it.

The "custom cars" would be very low volume, but why not give us the option?

Frankly, I believe that the only reason Mitsu and Subaru make AWD's is to homolgate and race Rally. It works both ways: They race Rally because they have AWD street cars, and they have AWD street cars because they race Rally.

The demand for such cars is a fixed amount, and small at that; as a sufficient number of players already exist to meet this demand, there is no business case for a domestic automaker to add more choices.

One could easily flip your desire to say that one wishes Mitsu and Subaru would build V8 RWD ponycars. They don't, and they won't, because, like the example above, there's no business case to do so. So, their flagships remain AWD STI's and Evos, with no counterpart to Mustangs, Camaros, and Corvettes, and none forthcoming.



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I'm not on here much any more but Kumo Tires ... WORST TIRES EVER!! A nice set of Yokohama yk520's would be nice

dan

Love the interior.. exterior isnt doing it for me.

Update GM:







Chevrolet Cruze Eco: Hybrid-Like Fuel Efficiency Without The Price Tag

-Cruze Eco delivers an estimated segment-leading 40 mpg on the highway
-Optional RS appearance package for Cruze LT and LTZ trim levels

At the New York Auto Show, Chevrolet reveals the compact 2011 Cruze Eco. This high-efficiency model is powered by a 1.4L Ecotec turbocharged engine with variable valve timing that achieves an estimated 40 mpg on the highway when combined with a six-speed manual transmission. Cruze Eco is expected to deliver the best fuel economy in the compact segment, while offering midsize car presence.

“The Cruze Eco delivers hybrid-like efficiency without the price tag,” said Jim Campbell, U.S. vice president Chevrolet marketing. “Along with the Volt electric vehicle, it demonstrates how Chevrolet is working to bring new products to market that range from gas-friendly to gas-free.”

Chevrolet also shows an optional RS sport appearance package for the Cruze LT and LTZ trim levels.

Cruze is the first in a family of all-new Chevrolet small and compact cars designed to offer excellent fuel economy, outstanding quality and top safety ratings. Cruze models for the United States and Canada will be produced at the Lordstown, Ohio assembly complex. In February, Chevrolet announced the addition of a third shift at Lordstown that will add 1,200 workers to support a smooth, fast and flawless ramp-up of Cruze production. More than $350 million has been invested to re-tool the plant and add new, state-of-the-art manufacturing equipment.

“This investment helps secure the best possible manufacturing footprint to react to market demand and deliver vehicles faster to our customers,” said Campbell. “We believe Cruze is the right car at the right time for American consumers.”

Cruze Eco details

Featuring a 1.4L Ecotec turbocharged engine with variable valve timing, the Cruze Eco is designed to be the most fuel-efficient model in the lineup, delivering an estimated 40 mpg on the highway with the standard six-speed manual transmission. City fuel economy, as well as estimates for the Cruze Eco equipped with an available six-speed automatic transmission, will be finalized closer to launch.

The Eco achieves greater fuel economy using a number of features that enhance its aerodynamics, minimize weight and reduce rolling resistance. Details include:

-A lower front grille air shutter that closes at higher speeds to improve aerodynamics and opens at lower speeds to optimize engine-cooling airflow
-The upper grille has more “closeouts” to improve aerodynamics
-A lower front air dam extension, extensive use of underbody panels and a rear spoiler enhance aerodynamics
-A lowered ride height improves aerodynamics
-Unique 17-inch lightweight aluminum wheels
-Ultra-low rolling resistance 17-inch Goodyear tires.

The axle ratio on the manual-transmission model is also optimized for fuel economy, while helping the car deliver confident performance. Chevrolet estimates the Cruze Eco will deliver 0-60 mph performance of about 10 seconds with the manual transmission and 9 seconds with the six-speed automatic.

The Cruze Eco will be available in the fourth quarter of 2010.

Cruze RS details

Complementing Cruze’s sporty proportions is an optional RS appearance package for the LT and LTZ trim levels, which bolsters the car’s styling with unique fascias, rocker moldings, rear spoiler and fog lamps. An uplevel instrument cluster is also part of the package and includes chrome accent rings in place of the standard silver finish, as well as opaque cluster bezels that allow the cluster’s ice blue backlighting to shine through – providing a sporty nighttime appearance.

"For customers who want even more personality and presence in their vehicle, the RS appearance package builds on the already bold face and coupe-like proportions of the Cruze,” said Michael Simcoe, executive director, North American Exterior Design.

Midsize presence in the compact segment
All Cruze models offer the spaciousness and amenities of a midsize car, combined with segment-leading features and details that challenge preconceived notions about what a compact car can be in North America.

Along with the Eco, the 2011 Cruze will be offered in LS, LT and LTZ trims. Standard and available equipment includes:

-Ten standard air bags, including frontal, front-seat side-impact air bags, roof rail head curtain, rear-seat side air bags and new front knee air bags
-Bluetooth, USB connectivity, XM Satellite Radio and navigation system
-Standard OnStar with one year of Directions and Connections service
-MacPherson strut front suspension and Z-link rear suspension, with 16-, 17- and 18-inch wheels
-Standard StabiliTrak electronic stability control with rollover sensing, traction control and anti-lock brakes
-Fuel-saving, rack-mounted electric power steering
-Unexpected levels of quietness, smoothness and refinement for the segment.

All models share an interior characterized by upscale materials and a lengthy roster of equipment usually found in larger and more expensive vehicles. Available technologies include Bluetooth and a navigation system.

Cruze’s 1.4L Ecotec turbo performs like a larger engine when needed, but retains the efficiency of a small-displacement four-cylinder in most driving conditions; it is standard on Eco, LT and LTZ models. Rated at an estimated at 138 horsepower (103 kW) and 148 lb.-ft. of torque (200 Nm), it enables a cruising range of more than 500 miles (800 km). Cruze will lead the way for Chevrolet in the use of small-displacement, turbocharged Ecotec engines that are highly fuel-efficient and power vehicles that are fun to drive.

Standard on LS models is a 1.8L Ecotec four-cylinder rated at an estimated 136 horsepower (184 kW) and 123 lb.-ft. of torque (166 Nm). Both engines are designed with fuel efficiency in mind, including technology such as variable valve timing that optimizes performance and fuel economy.

Backing the Cruze’s engines are six-speed manual and automatic transmissions. Each contributes to excellent fuel economy.

Chevrolet engineers have already logged more than 4 million miles in quality and durability testing worldwide, making Cruze one of the most real world-tested products prior to a U.S. launch. It is backed by Chevrolet’s five-year/100,000-mile powertrain warranty – the best coverage in America.




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It looks ok. I can't put my finger on it but i just can't seem to like this car. I don't hate it, It's not a terrible car, but it just does nothing at all for me.



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GM FTL

once and for all...

IS THE CRUZE THE COBALT REPLACEMENT?



We all need somebody to believe in something...

What a Sub-medicore looking car.


The engine is just the icing on the cake lol, I have no insults left for Chevy... its like a comedy watching them try and complete.lol



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LiTCaV (The Bright One) wrote:What a Sub-medicore looking car.


The engine is just the icing on the cake lol, I have no insults left for Chevy... its like a comedy watching them try and complete.lol

Yeah you're right.

GM hasn't had to ramp up production of certain models....

/sarcasm.

To me, it's one of the nicest looking entry level fuel efficient vehicles out there.

LiTCaV (The Bright One) wrote:What a Sub-medicore looking car.


The engine is just the icing on the cake lol, I have no insults left for Chevy... its like a comedy watching them try and complete.lol

The Engine is what really gets me. It's not really competitive. The HP numbers are weak.
I get it, that it has the tech-di-jour right now small engine/turboed for bigger engine power. But if you rev it like a bigger engine you're killing the MPG advantages anyway. There is nothing wrong with the current Ecotecs, they have great more than competitive power, and if you don't lead foot it, it will provide great mpg's. You'll redline this little 1.4 just to accelerate onto a freeway or pass a truck, or climb a hill or grade (even worse have to that all at the same time) It's a weak little motor which means you'll press it harder to do things the current ecotecs do without even breaking a sweat. All that revving will cost mpg's to drop, the current eco's don't have to work that hard.

For me the oddity is in the 90's and part of the early 2000's GM had the LD9 Twin-Cam 2.4l motor with 150hp and gobs of low end Tq great usable power. While at that time Toyota, Honda & Hyundai had weak puny 120, 130 hp motors devoid of any fun. They instead relied on fun sporty suspensions and made their cars fun to toss around to make up for the lack of acceleration. Sometime in the middle of the decade the imports realized that Chevy was onto something and started to use 2.4l motors with 150 or more hp and great TQ too.
(The modern Scion xB, Scion tC, and Honda Accord comes to mind.)
And along the way the 2 have now switched. Now while the imports enjoy fun to drive cars, Chevy takes a step back and now THEY produce weak little motors devoid of fun or usable power. They had a good run with the 2.2 n/a and 2.0 turbo why abandon it? These new motors may have better/newer technology but to me they feel like a downgrade. and i think people will not buy the Cruze because it will feel too cheap and wimpy. That's just my opinion though. Look great, but feel like you're driving a cheap gutless car.

The Germans do it right they invest in a motor and continue to tweek, perfect, and refine it over time instead of constantly replacing it. They could have easily spend R&D to refine the eco and boost it's efficiency while retaining HP. Instead of just replacing them with these weak new motors that pretend to be better.



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z yaaaa wrote:once and for all...

IS THE CRUZE THE COBALT REPLACEMENT?

Yes.
And for our French speaking friends: We.
And for our Spanish or Italian speaking friends: Si.

Jooky,
I agree. They should keep the 1.4L as a Eco engine, carry on with the engines from the Cobalt (2.2L-2.0L Turbo). I would also bring the 2.4L DI as a mid-level. GM hit the mark with every thing else but the engine options.



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I can't understand why they are so ready to just bail on the LNF in compacts like Cruze?



Bill Hahn Jr.
Hahn RaceCraft

World's Quickest and Fastest Street J-Bodies
Turbocharging GM FWD's since 1988
www.turbosystem.com