Wow I started a lot of @!#$ didn't I! Well I think that if you a serious about building a car and motor that you want to get full performance out of the you are going to spend money. 1200 maybe a bit steep but it will be worth it if this manifold can do what they claim it can. I will keep my eyes open to see what it can do. Also like mark said untill there is a manifold worth buying that you don't have to do a ton of work to I'll stick to my plastic one too. <br>
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I doubt the cost would drop much if any on the ID manifolds. If I remember right, it was half that price just to make the manifold flange. If you don't want it, can't afford it, & can't put it to use then don't @!#$. If you think just drilling a HO manifold is a wise & worthwhile thing to do go for it, waste of time. If you can't stand how the manifold sits over towards the battery & need a kit to relocate your battery, pay someone to do work on your & buy the cheap parts that your friends will oooooohhhh & aaawwwww at when you meet at the Quickie Mart for your weekly hangouts. If you actually have more then bolts ons & go to the track dish out the money & enjoy.
All I know is ID has some things coming that no others have ventured into creating & I want and will have a few of those items.
That is right Tr!!!
Mark Pain, I am with you, people cannot even get it to fit right, canot even get their idle right.
I wanna see the flow chart of a HO Manni of a 2.4L head GHETTO rigged like most of the people here on the ORG fit them on the J's.
I bet you the #'s are lower that the stock one at least the b$tch fits like it is suppose to.
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Event wrote:better be pullin on people like a mad dentist!
Now that's comedy folks! and damn true too.
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look at it this way. when playstation 2 came out it was $300, then a shxt load were sold they recovered design costs and now they sell for $150 and all the cheap skates bought a bunch more. thats how life works.
as many have stated, yes it is expensive but the people who buy it will eventually go faster than the rest of you because they got a quality product that works and fits properly.
i would buy one if i had the money, because someday my car will make big #s, and buying parts like this will make it that much easier
why does everyone think the ho mani is so much better. yes it flows better on a bench by itself, but put it on a motor with different shaped ports, that has a completely diff power curve and show me the #s on paper that says its better.
or go buy a honda and see how much it costs to make them fast. its not a whole lot less like everyone thinks it is. the only diff between them and us is the selection. instead of having 20 brands to choose from we have 3, but we do still have the parts. <br>
don't steal, the government doesn't like competition
It's funny how they don't include the flow-chart scans and what-not. At school, we flow-bench designs for our SAE intake manifolds, and can directly compare the data with print offs.
WERE ARE THESE MAGICAL RESULTS???
I hope no one actually blows money on these things without raw proof.
*OEM intake manifolds are tough to beat, expecially the composite designs that conduct close to no heat....
Holy crap... sometimes I don't even know why I bother announcing these new inovations to this community - it seems completely pointless. 95% on here will never invest more into their ride other than some shiny wheels and a fart pipe - so why would you waste your posts on something you will never even consider purchasing? Face it, it's a new product, and an expensive one that will hardly sell at all. Heck, if 5 or 10 of them sell, they'll be lucky, and they won't even recover 10% of the investment into this piece.
Maybe if half of the complainers would try READING before POSTING they would actually learn a thing or two for the first time in their lives. For crying out loud, the information posted in the initial post was all the information available on the website at the time - take a deep breath and think about your post before hitting the "Post" button for once.
Oh, and by the way, head-matched lazer-cut flanges are worth alot more than a few hundred bucks as someone stated previously - try a little more than the asking price of the entire package for just one flange. That's how damn expensive it is to produce this sh!t.
Also, the flow-chart results posted by myself are numbers that I received through the company - I did not see the actual sheets yet and neither has anybody else - they will be posted online eventually, as will the dyno results on both the stock head and the ID Race-Spec head.
Comparing this piece to Venom's so-called "drag manifold" ??? Wow, some people really need to do some research... If all you ever want in life is to have nice shiny parts in your engine bay, then by all means go ahead and purchase every bolt-on under the sun. When you're ready for race-bred parts, start scouting the j-body market and see how many parts you come up with... I am in no way dissing any mentioned company, but I believe Mark Pain said it best in his post.
The special cold air intake that comes with the Intake Manifold runs directly into the opening behind the battery and into the fender well for direct cold air. Unfortunately, the battery will have to be relocated, but once again, this is a race part, not some dinky-@ss sh!t you get at a junk yard and bolt up for 5hp. Relocating the battery is much easier than most think it is - a relocation kit is quite cheap too.
Big thanks to Mark Pain who once again seems to be part of the minority on this board to actually understand the aftermarket and know how it works. Everyone could learn a thing or two just by reading what this guy has to say. It seems only a few have understood the concept of modifying their cars, and they're always the ones who encourage the aftermarket and support it in every way. When new products come out, you should jump with joy, weather you will ever purchase the product is not important... just the fact that a company thought of our platforms/engines is a gift alone showing that our hobby and passion is being noticed on this continent.
So for f*ck sakes, quit b!tching and complaining about something you cannot change and live with the facts. Just because you have freedom of speech doesn't mean everybody has to agree with you.
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if it works around the EGR, i will seriously consider this.
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cyklone, first of all, i had i nquired numerious times about the manifold directly from ID them selves. i was verry interested. i was expecting the price to be between 5-700 but not an insane 1200. i'm sure the manifold will produce excellent numbers. my only complaint is the price, yeah i cant afford it oh well. thats me i dont care. but i was verry interrested and would have purchased it if it was under 700 usd. but its not so i might as well go turbo for that price that will produce more and better numbers then a manifold its self. and as far as me comparing apples and oranges, venom and i/d i only compared the price. if an oem style manifold that has possibly a 10+ % flow rating better then oem doesnt sell for 700 dollars then i'm srue the i/d will not sell much, i'm sure some people will dish out 1200 but i'm predicting no more than 10. since your on the subject about cost annalilsys. telll me does 300 justify a damn cold air intake? no it doesnt i paid 120 for my aem and i wont trade it for an extra 2 hp gain. doesnt sorry but twice the amount i paid for my intake i/d wants for theres for a 2 hp increase. aint happenin buddy. all i know is when and if i ever get enough funds and that "ranko dawn" manifold is streetable then most definatly i will get it. but the thing is with induction dynamics and dont tell me its not true, is that they jack up the price to try to pay for the cost of R&D fast. oh and as for the flange costing so much, yes i bet the R&D flange did but now that they have it and know what they want the cost is now low cuz they do not have to R&D it again. so if they sell it for no more then 800 they will make money off of it and will sell alot more of it, thats what i'm trying to say. thats it its comen sence. <br>
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Eddie wrote:cyklone, first of all, i had i nquired numerious times about the manifold directly from ID them selves. i was verry interested. i was expecting the price to be between 5-700 but not an insane 1200. i'm sure the manifold will produce excellent numbers. my only complaint is the price, yeah i cant afford it oh well. thats me i dont care. but i was verry interrested and would have purchased it if it was under 700 usd. but its not so i might as well go turbo for that price that will produce more and better numbers then a manifold its self. and as far as me comparing apples and oranges, venom and i/d i only compared the price. if an oem style manifold that has possibly a 10+ % flow rating better then oem doesnt sell for 700 dollars then i'm srue the i/d will not sell much, i'm sure some people will dish out 1200 but i'm predicting no more than 10. since your on the subject about cost annalilsys. telll me does 300 justify a damn cold air intake? no it doesnt i paid 120 for my aem and i wont trade it for an extra 2 hp gain. doesnt sorry but twice the amount i paid for my intake i/d wants for theres for a 2 hp increase. aint happenin buddy. all i know is when and if i ever get enough funds and that "ranko dawn" manifold is streetable then most definatly i will get it. but the thing is with induction dynamics and dont tell me its not true, is that they jack up the price to try to pay for the cost of R&D fast. oh and as for the flange costing so much, yes i bet the R&D flange did but now that they have it and know what they want the cost is now low cuz they do not have to R&D it again. so if they sell it for no more then 800 they will make money off of it and will sell alot more of it, thats what i'm trying to say. thats it its comen sence.
Okay buddy, listen, if you insist on spreading false rumours around the web like so many other people love to do, then by all means have fun - but don't come asking for favor's and sh!t in the future, cause you're on your own.
Do ID jack up prices? Holy fawk, I thought you were joking the first time you wrote that... At regular price, ID barely make $50 per cold air intake. Have they recovered their initial investment with R&D on the intakes? Well, obviously they must have by now, the intake has been selling for a little while. Sales are low, but people who do purchase rave over the product. But, that's for air intakes. Intake Manifolds are a whole different ball game. R&D in the Intake Manifolds stretch into the 5-figure dollar area, and even selling 10 of them will not recover the initial cost between R&D and production.
Prices are set according to actual cost to produce each unit and market competition. What competition do they have in Intake Manifolds? Absolutely NONE. ID's Intake Manifold is the first in it's kind. Appreciate it or not, it's a step in the right direction as far as performance parts for the 2.4L are concerned.
cyklone
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also think about this guys...
like the play station case stated above as well as the case cyclone just stated above, there are only a couple of ways the price will fall.
1) they have proof the all-talk jbody.org will produce enough sales.
2) competition
3) new/cheaper technology
4) cheaper parts
the technology will stay the same as will the parts and well there is no competion and there wont be until ID turns a profit on these things. you can take it from me or not. im just stating the facts.
also no they wont make more at $700 cuz they still have a high fixed cost per sale apparently and they wont recoup the initial expense. none of you will buy it at 700 either so why would they make more. i think this is a plan for the future, and not meant to be a huge hit right away.
also 300 dollars for an air intake in rediculous as is 200 or anything more than the cost of a cone filter($20). so saying 300 is alot is stupid too.
bah humbug.. <br>
Sven you totally quarterloafed your computer..
yes i wish to know as well. does it work with egr? <br>
Sven you totally quarterloafed your computer..
^ u spend all the time ranting and raving about stupid ppl and forget the answer the simple ?S
(or i am just too lazy to page back)
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OMG you people are funny.
buy it or dont buy it, however leave ID alone and let them be already.
Another reason why I dont post here much, too much BS!!!!
Oh, one thing I will say thou, having 2 biz degrees. ID is right on the money as far as what I can tell about how they are going about the intake manifold. You dont like the price too bad, that is the way it goes..
One observation thou.
"Do ID jack up prices? Holy fawk, I thought you were joking the first time you wrote that... At regular price, ID barely make $50 per cold air intake. Have they recovered their initial investment with R&D on the intakes? Well, obviously they must have by now, the intake has been selling for a little while. Sales are low, but people who do purchase rave over the product. But, that's for air intakes"
Can you explain what R&D they entailled for the intake? Their intake was being produced by another company long befre ID came around..
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I'd spend the money, but I still want to see it in action first....on an autocross or road course. I want to see dyno #'s and esp. the chart on an already mildly modified car....compare the same car with an intake, TB, and exhaust, then on goes the manifold and lets see what happens.
I know people are also wondering what this street use issue as I am too. Even though I race my car damn near every weekend during the autocross season, I still have to drive to work daily. At least for now anyways. :/
Of course, I'd be glad to volunteer my services as a tester.
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A new autoX ride for '08.....
I agree with Mark Pain on this one. Most of the org wouldn't know a good product if it was given to them.
Jason
99 Z24
whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa does it work with the EGR? i am leaning more towards the NO side.
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the egr connects to the intake tube not the manifold. so worst case scenario, you would have to get a piece of hose to make the stock egr hose longer and reconnect to the intake tube. simple mod if it needed to be done. <br>
don't steal, the government doesn't like competition
I know how to make a custom EGR for an GM HO-intake manifold. I just need a few small flanges, hose, and a welder and time to make one. I wish i had the money and everything I needed then i would make loads of em for everyone that needs em and sell it.
GreenZ... u want a HO with EGR? Come talk to me. I can help make one. And no, im not talking about something like Brian did with the tricking the map.
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Ranko-Dawn™ Intake manifolds are intended mainly for extreme racing applications and are not a friendly OEM replacement.
this might be a good addition for Karos NA beast, definatelly not real practical for someone like me who needs to drive sun, rain, and snow year round.
How many people have truly "extreme racing" j-bodys? Not very many of us. How about a manifold that the rest of us, the <b>majority</b> of us, can use?
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and thats COOL air, the air will never be cold unless its winter or you got a fridge attached to the end of the filter...
either way, its a phatazz product. if they made it for the 2.2 like hogan, i'd rock it.
i dig the raw material look. shiny is cool, but i dont like polishin stuff weekly to look pretty. i dig the engines that look like they actually do stuff
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that thing is perty..
LOL how about we all pitch in a buck and we buy it! we should have something like that here. pay a little more to register but get products dynoed and stuff. that way one guy doesnt have to take it on the chin. its absorbed by all of us. a nice thought but not liekly to happen and probably already tried.. <br>
Sven you totally quarterloafed your computer..
I think that thing is pretty sweet. I personally dont like how it requires you to move or relocate your battery...but still is pretty killer. If I had the money....it be an option
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I get to reprimand Event!!!
Where do you see cool air? Do you know how hot 24 degrees CELCIUS is?
80degrees farenheit. With the humidity we have here compared to you guys, that's KILLER, barely breathable!!!(same for engines)
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