BoltZ22 wrote:new engines in 2000?
third gen cavis came with these engines
95 z24 = 2.3l quad 4
96-mid02 z24 = 2.4l ld9
95-97 base = 2.2l ohv
98-02 base = 2200 ohv
late 02 z24/ls sport = 2.2l eco
03+ all = 2.2l eco
the 2.2l came with 115hp
the 2200 came with 120hp
Extream 4door wrote:3.8L
There is no replacement for displacement!
LMR ( the uninsultable) wrote:Extream 4door wrote:3.8L
There is no replacement for displacement!
Usually this thought is correct but a mildly modified NA eco 2.2L will outperform the Aging and boosted 3800 sc.
Erik Andresen wrote:LMR ( the uninsultable) wrote:Extream 4door wrote:3.8L
There is no replacement for displacement!
Usually this thought is correct but a mildly modified NA eco 2.2L will outperform the Aging and boosted 3800 sc.
Come on...I don't post on here a lot but this is wrong!
2.2 l eco @ 140 hp stock vs. 3800 SC @ 260 hp stock
I think we have a winner and it is not the eco...you would have to do a lot of modding to get an 2.2 l eco to 260 hp.
And they are available as a crate engine and in 2004 Pontiac.
LMR ( the uninsultable) wrote:Extream 4door wrote:3.8L
There is no replacement for displacement!
Usually this thought is correct but a mildly modified NA eco 2.2L will outperform the Aging and boosted 3800 sc.
Chris D wrote:BoltZ22 wrote:new engines in 2000?
third gen cavis came with these engines
95 z24 = 2.3l quad 4
96-mid02 z24 = 2.4l ld9
95-97 base = 2.2l ohv
98-02 base = 2200 ohv
late 02 z24/ls sport = 2.2l eco
03+ all = 2.2l eco
the 2.2l came with 115hp
the 2200 came with 120hp
Wrong on the last 2.2s
the 95-97 2.2L OHV came with 120 Hp and 135 Ft LB Torque
the 98-02 2200 OHV came with 115 Hp and 140 Ft LB Torque.
DanteMustDie wrote:LMR ( the uninsultable) wrote:Extream 4door wrote:3.8L
There is no replacement for displacement!
Usually this thought is correct but a mildly modified NA eco 2.2L will outperform the Aging and boosted 3800 sc.
what did you smoke ? the 3.8sc in a cavi yields 12's in the 1/4. There is not a single HIGHLY MODIFIED n/a ecotec that runs that.
DanteMustDie wrote:I didn't say it was impossible, but that no one had done it. Plus I was more referring to the fact that he said a "mildly" modified eco.
Dam-it Muffins (Event) wrote:anything that can be done in less than 5-6 hours i usually consider mild.... or more or less anything that can be done within a working afternoon really.
dont need a race head. jbodyperformance has a head, or you can DIY. its not really all that hard to do.
most would consider a mild build something thats an upgrade from stock, but not extreme to where you have to change octane, upgrade injectors, etc...
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Also, you'll never make proper power with cams and headwork without the proper breather mods and fuel mods plus tuning. After all this, I COULD see 200 whp. And you can't do all this in an afternoon.
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It turns out a well-tuned stock 10:1 2.2-liter Ecotec in the above configuration actually develops 168 crankshaft hp
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fuel mods and a reflash could put it in the low 200, high 100;s whp wise...
Dam-it Muffins (Event) wrote:"no one has said you can get 50 hp from P&P alone. if so quote me"
No but you did say cams and p&p net 176 whp
"the jbodyperformance cams claim 176 whp...think that was with a port and polish, which is mild."
DanteMustDie wrote:Dam-it Muffins (Event) wrote:"no one has said you can get 50 hp from P&P alone. if so quote me"
No but you did say cams and p&p net 176 whp
"the jbodyperformance cams claim 176 whp...think that was with a port and polish, which is mild."
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here you go. stock ecos dyno somewhere around 125 whp to 130. I'll let you make the calculations.
Dam-it Muffins (Event) wrote:DanteMustDie wrote:I didn't say it was impossible, but that no one had done it. Plus I was more referring to the fact that he said a "mildly" modified eco.
i know this.... none have done it yet, but not many ever will, cheap crowd on the whole.
and mildly modified.... questionable. but weight is a factor as well. thats free, costs nothing. dont need it, take it out. thats what i was more or less thinking of...
15 second car stock, 130 on avg to wheel HP... full interior avg driver.
the jbodyperformance cams claim 176 whp...think that was with a port and polish, which is mild. fuel mods and a reflash could put it in the low 200, high 100;s whp wise...
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Sorry, your stuff doesn't add up. And get realistic a bit, easy stuff is what most people can do, and if was that easy, they'd do it. There are a lot of knoledgeable people here that own an eco and have tried an n/a setup. Since the stuff you speak of is so easy and mild, some of them ought to have tried it, no ? I know you're not used to not being right on this site, but man, what you're saying is less and less mild with each of the posts you make.
Please read above paragraph 5 times before making your next reply.
Quote:which is like saying we cant tune a car... even people using the Safc are getting some gains... but since you can get a reflash done......
Now how do you think they tuned that eco ? They can play in the computer, that's why ! Until the HPTuners software is out, this is not something we can do !
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And get realistic a bit, easy stuff is what most people can do, and if was that easy, they'd do it. Since the stuff you speak of is so easy and mild, some of them ought to have tried it, no ?
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but only a few have even done cams....