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Re: LD9 Cranks: Knife Edging and Weight Reduction!
Friday, October 09, 2009 12:44 PM
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lol push you're setup to 30psi and a 100 shot.... lets see.

honestly though... who here has ever heard of an LD9 (or even a quad) crank breaking? i know i never have....






I must confess... I feel like a monster!
Re: LD9 Cranks: Knife Edging and Weight Reduction!
Friday, October 09, 2009 2:24 PM
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Talk to me Brad about that lightened crank.


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Re: LD9 Cranks: Knife Edging and Weight Reduction!
Friday, October 09, 2009 3:33 PM
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z yaaaa wrote:

lol push you're setup to 30psi and a 100 shot.... lets see.

honestly though... who here has ever heard of an LD9 (or even a quad) crank breaking? i know i never have....


I recall 2. One was a built turbo motor, and one was bone stock.

Still GM cranks are really good in stock for for strength.



MD Motorsports



Re: LD9 Cranks: Knife Edging and Weight Reduction!
Friday, October 09, 2009 3:47 PM
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....

You can Litter it your self... just need a angle grinder...

its the Balancing itself that is important.

John.... how did they break?! Low oil? Rod Knock? I have never heard of a Crank Breaking save for bad castings...

Chris




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Re: LD9 Cranks: Knife Edging and Weight Reduction!
Friday, October 09, 2009 5:58 PM
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Taetsch Z-24 wrote:

....

You can Litter it your self... just need a angle grinder...

its the Balancing itself that is important.

John.... how did they break?! Low oil? Rod Knock? I have never heard of a Crank Breaking save for bad castings...

Chris


I do not remember. This was posted on the ORG many years ago. The stock one I think broke at the crank pulley (I truly think it was freak thing). The other one was manking good power and broke.



MD Motorsports



Re: LD9 Cranks: Knife Edging and Weight Reduction!
Friday, October 09, 2009 9:40 PM
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Re: LD9 Cranks: Knife Edging and Weight Reduction!
Friday, October 09, 2009 11:31 PM
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well if anybody wants there crank done up... all you gotta do is send it to me.

pm me if you're interested.



I must confess... I feel like a monster!
Re: LD9 Cranks: Knife Edging and Weight Reduction!
Saturday, October 10, 2009 12:55 AM
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and what kind of price are we talking here?
Re: LD9 Cranks: Knife Edging and Weight Reduction!
Saturday, October 10, 2009 5:48 AM
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Is it possible to take off less? Like 5-6 lbs?



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Re: LD9 Cranks: Knife Edging and Weight Reduction!
Saturday, October 10, 2009 9:17 AM
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i was told not to tell prices over the open forum. so if you'd like to know more... pm me.

john - dont see why not but ill find out for sure.




I must confess... I feel like a monster!
Re: LD9 Cranks: Knife Edging and Weight Reduction!
Sunday, October 11, 2009 10:21 AM


just remember it all depends of your application.

Generally OE cranks are heavily under-counterweighted, if you lighten them you can forget hi rpm applications
Re: LD9 Cranks: Knife Edging and Weight Reduction!
Sunday, October 11, 2009 11:27 AM
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I had talked to my machinist about lightening and modifying the crank like you have pictured. He told me through his experience it doesnt matter what make the crank is, taking off that much will drastically reduce the life of the crank. I trust his judgment, when hes not working on engines hes racing, so hes tried a LOT of combos. He said a crank modfied like that will only last a few races before it gives out or wears out the bearings. That being said he said there is a sweetspot where you gain power but still retain the longevity you just need to play with it. Just thought Id throw that info out there.



Re: LD9 Cranks: Knife Edging and Weight Reduction!
Sunday, October 11, 2009 12:32 PM
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So basically remove some portion of weight yet do not remove excessively.

High Compression Hybrid Quad 4...some day will see 5psi

Re: LD9 Cranks: Knife Edging and Weight Reduction!
Sunday, October 11, 2009 1:24 PM
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Zs Z wrote:

I had talked to my machinist about lightening and modifying the crank like you have pictured. He told me through his experience it doesnt matter what make the crank is, taking off that much will drastically reduce the life of the crank. I trust his judgment, when hes not working on engines hes racing, so hes tried a LOT of combos. He said a crank modfied like that will only last a few races before it gives out or wears out the bearings. That being said he said there is a sweetspot where you gain power but still retain the longevity you just need to play with it. Just thought Id throw that info out there.


no offense but i doubt the guy you're referring to as ever raced a 2.4 or quad powered car before, if he as... fine. but i doubt it. so i take what he says with a grain of salt. sorry.

this guy actually has built LD9 ad quad motors for cars that actually have raced. they last just fine for them. and stock cars are beat on pretty badly, i would not have any regrets putting this crank in my car for street driving. if it lasts, great... if not then i guess i found out what not to do. LOL

i am going to find out if its really worth it or not though.



I must confess... I feel like a monster!
Re: LD9 Cranks: Knife Edging and Weight Reduction!
Sunday, October 11, 2009 2:19 PM
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I would like to know what series they are or were racing quads in oval racing. Most series I have heard of do not allow 2.4's, or OHC motors in.



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Re: LD9 Cranks: Knife Edging and Weight Reduction!
Sunday, October 11, 2009 7:29 PM
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z yaaaa wrote:

Zs Z wrote:

I had talked to my machinist about lightening and modifying the crank like you have pictured. He told me through his experience it doesnt matter what make the crank is, taking off that much will drastically reduce the life of the crank. I trust his judgment, when hes not working on engines hes racing, so hes tried a LOT of combos. He said a crank modfied like that will only last a few races before it gives out or wears out the bearings. That being said he said there is a sweetspot where you gain power but still retain the longevity you just need to play with it. Just thought Id throw that info out there.


no offense but i doubt the guy you're referring to as ever raced a 2.4 or quad powered car before, if he as... fine. but i doubt it. so i take what he says with a grain of salt. sorry.



No offence taken. He hasnt worked with many quads before but he has worked with a wide variety of engines. Anyways just food for thought. Hope for all our performance sakes it works out for you.



Re: LD9 Cranks: Knife Edging and Weight Reduction!
Sunday, October 11, 2009 7:46 PM
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John Higgins wrote:

I would like to know what series they are or were racing quads in oval racing. Most series I have heard of do not allow 2.4's, or OHC motors in.
here in iowa you can run any n/a 4 cylinder under 2.5 liters well at our 3 local tracks atleast



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Re: LD9 Cranks: Knife Edging and Weight Reduction!
Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:14 PM
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a 2.5 L 4 banger ?

that would be sweet

just throwing my 2 cents your way

-Ben



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M.P.H. - 82.05 (4/20/08)-(Hoosier Drag Radials 225-50-15)
1000' - 11.229 (7/25/08)-(Hoosier Drag Radials 225-50-15)
1/4 - 13.410 (7/25-08)-(Hoosier Drag Radials 225-50-15)
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Re: LD9 Cranks: Knife Edging and Weight Reduction!
Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:02 PM
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like the nissan 2.5L ?? that not allowed ?



Re: LD9 Cranks: Knife Edging and Weight Reduction!
Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:10 PM

how about a 87 gmc jimmy? mine had a 2.5 4 banger.


- Your not-so-local, untrained, uncertified, backyard mechanic. But my @!#$ runs
Re: LD9 Cranks: Knife Edging and Weight Reduction!
Thursday, October 15, 2009 7:47 AM
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...Great Engine that old 4Tec 2.5........ Put the Cothworth valve train on......ya.
Then you have the prototype Quad-4.

Chris


'02 Z-24 Supercharged
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205FWHP, 210FWTQ, STOCK PULLY
Team GREEN

Re: LD9 Cranks: Knife Edging and Weight Reduction!
Thursday, October 15, 2009 12:14 PM
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I have a 2.4 crank for sale if you want to send Brad a core




Jason
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190hp/170tq @ 6psi

LG0/LD9 for Life
Re: LD9 Cranks: Knife Edging and Weight Reduction!
Thursday, October 22, 2009 7:04 PM
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so the other day on the way to pick up wades car in wisconsin we stopped at the guy's machine shop...

got a look at the gutted crank first hand. my jaw dropped.the work on this this is absolutely stunning. you can definitely feel the weight difference as well. like night and day. i dropped my crank off to get worked on, although i wont be able to afford to have it done just yet. he was cool with me just leaving it there for awhile til i gathered funds. i also need to get him a 2.3 crank gear yet.

the guy is cool as hell, an old guy that really knows his stuff. believe me, some of the things he's been doing over the years makes the stuff we've been doing look like child's play. be on the look out for a post in here with some more goodies....

here's the pics i got. the stock crank on the right is mine:













and here's some of one he had only one side finished on. was still in the lathe....













I must confess... I feel like a monster!
Re: LD9 Cranks: Knife Edging and Weight Reduction!
Thursday, October 22, 2009 7:40 PM
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sweet! now if I only had the urge to build another 4 cylinder!





Re: LD9 Cranks: Knife Edging and Weight Reduction!
Thursday, October 22, 2009 8:22 PM
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I'm impressed Brad.
Next thing you know, I'll be shipping you a crank.


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Thank you Dave and JBO!

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