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Yeah, Wayne Screwed Up...
Wednesday, July 17, 2013 6:07 AM
Got the struts out of the car, but poked a little hole in my right outer CV joint boot.

Looks to me like just some clamps once I would get a new boot on, but do I need any special tools to get the old boot off and make it possible to slip the new boot on?

Re: Yeah, Wayne Screwed Up...
Wednesday, July 17, 2013 12:04 PM
You can get a boot repair kit at most Auto parts stores. It's made to do exactly what you need with no special tools.











Re: Yeah, Wayne Screwed Up...
Wednesday, July 17, 2013 1:08 PM
You mean I could just patch the hole instead of replace the boot?

It's a small hole at the top of the boot, no big rip or tear.
Re: Yeah, Wayne Screwed Up...
Wednesday, July 17, 2013 3:51 PM
Just a heads up on the busted boot there. You'll have to separate the shaft from the CV joint to get the boot off and replace with a full one. They used to sell a 2 part boot that you kinda laced together many, many years ago - but it was trash. Be extra careful how much grease you put in there as it will bust the boot to if there is too much of it in there. I had bad experience trying to replace a busted boot many years ago and nowadays just bite the bullet and replace the whole shaft. You get a lifetime warranty that way as well.



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Re: Yeah, Wayne Screwed Up...
Wednesday, July 17, 2013 10:00 PM
If the hole is say dime size I recommend using permatex The right stuff gasket sealer! This seals up quick and is well grease,oil,atf,fuel resistant and I have done this in the past on the exact problem being the damage was so limited and fixed.Unless your cv joints are way old and want to upgrade now would be the time to do it.



Re: Yeah, Wayne Screwed Up...
Wednesday, July 17, 2013 10:50 PM
Get a boot for $5 or so and 2 3-4in hose clamps. When I made hybrid axles a few years ago that's what I did. Problem solved for $10.




On the inside my car looks like a fighter jet.
Re: Yeah, Wayne Screwed Up...
Thursday, July 18, 2013 5:50 AM
The hole isn't even dime-sized, it's really a pinhole at the top, near the clamp.

No idea how old the boots are, but they all look good (except for this new pinhole), and I know boot and clamps are under $20; do I need a special tool to separate the boot from the shaft?
Re: Yeah, Wayne Screwed Up...
Thursday, July 18, 2013 8:37 AM
Here ya go Wayne!! Ok, maybe a tad cheesy, but I learned a lot watching this too!!

Enjoy!! Power to the People


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-S-ofMoWsr0




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Re: Yeah, Wayne Screwed Up...
Thursday, July 18, 2013 7:54 PM
So this is looking like the axle comes out to replace the boot, lovely...

I tried searching for the CV Joint at both NAPA and Autozone, but came up empty. Then I tried searching for it on the 2008 Mazda 3 and also came up empty.

I also tried searching "drive axle", but that didn't help.

What should I name the part?
Re: Yeah, Wayne Screwed Up...
Thursday, July 18, 2013 8:28 PM
Cut or break the old clamps off. Cut the boot off. Go to any parts store. Most of the carry cv boot repair kits or quick boots. The boots are in half and the go over the axle and get clamped on. No need to remove the axle.




On the inside my car looks like a fighter jet.
Re: Yeah, Wayne Screwed Up...
Thursday, July 18, 2013 8:30 PM
Yes Wayne, You'll need to remove the axle to replace the boot. More on that in a moment..... Here is the boot listing for my wagon - will give you an idea what you are looking for:

http://www.autozone.com/autozone/parts/Speedi-Boot-Quick-Boot-CV/1986-Chevrolet-Cavalier/_/N-ij0chZ6o205?itemIdentifier=776_165092_3550_



Now to remove that axle , you'll need a slide hammer:

http://www.autozone.com/autozone/accessories/OEM-2-or-3-jaw-slide-hammer-puller-attachment-kit/_/N-26vu?itemIdentifier=69342_0_0_&target=shelf

....and a special fitting to go on it. This grabs the inner joint behind the cup and pulls the shaft out of the transmission.

http://www.autozone.com/autozone/accessories/Tools-Garage-and-Equipment/FWD-Axle-Puller-Adapter/_/N-264u?filterByKeyWord=front+axle+puller&fromString=search


Also - to add to your misery, You'll be disconnecting the Strut form the spindle to remove the axle for the hub ( You need to do this as the first step Before pulling the axle out of the transaxle)


Now with all this information, let me remind you you'll need $100 for the puller and adapter, plus a $40 front end alignment after you get everything back together. Probably sounds better to replace the whole axle with a lifetime warranty at this point.....


That will run you $60 - $70

http://www.autozone.com/autozone/parts/1986-Chevrolet-Cavalier/CV-Axle/_/N-ij0chZ6o2dc?filterByKeyWord=axle+shaft&fromString=search



If you watch online, you can catch AutoZone - ship to home deals with up to 20% off - that would save you $30 on a $150 order!! I saved a ton this way when I was fixing up my Ranger to go to Penn. LoL....no I don't work for any parts stores



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Re: Yeah, Wayne Screwed Up...
Thursday, July 18, 2013 8:30 PM
http://m.summitracing.com/parts/rnb-614-531?seid=srese1&gclid=CICfkubOurgCFURp7Aod9BYAXw

Put a lot of grease in it before you clamp it down. Cv axles only go bad because of lack of grease or to much power or catastrophic failure. So it should last you a long time.




On the inside my car looks like a fighter jet.
Re: Yeah, Wayne Screwed Up...
Thursday, July 18, 2013 8:32 PM
Haven't heard much good about those quick boots. Just MHO.




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Re: Yeah, Wayne Screwed Up...
Thursday, July 18, 2013 8:35 PM
There is no need to remove the axle and also if for what ever reason you want to remove it you do not have to disconnect the strut or anything in the suspension. If its the driver side turn the wheel all the way to the right or passenger side then turn to the left and remove the 30mm nut the hit th axle in toward the engine and bam it can be removed without needing alignment. Did this a few times. You can even watch YouTube videos of it. Works on 1st 2nd and 3rd gens and most other cars too.




On the inside my car looks like a fighter jet.
Re: Yeah, Wayne Screwed Up...
Thursday, July 18, 2013 8:37 PM
Orlen Brown wrote:Haven't heard much good about those quick boots. Just MHO.




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I haven't heard anything bad. For $10-$20 it's worth a shot and 5 mins to install. Just make sure it seals.




On the inside my car looks like a fighter jet.
Re: Yeah, Wayne Screwed Up...
Thursday, July 18, 2013 8:41 PM
Also to save you a headache. Before removing the axle if you break the clamp on the inside boot closes to the tranny then you can pull the axle out of the cup and keep your transmission fluid and output shaft seal good an not have to worry about adding fluid or prying the old seal out and replacing it. They are a pain. Just put a bag or something over he axle to protect it from dirt while working on the other end. Then put a new clamp on it when reinstalling it.




On the inside my car looks like a fighter jet.
Re: Yeah, Wayne Screwed Up...
Thursday, July 18, 2013 9:04 PM


Same process as that. Just remember you should be able to get the axle out by maxing out left or right. You may have to jack up on the control arm so it is level I don't remember but I broke 3 or so axles in one day on my car do to an incorrect body mount so I found a quick way to get them out.




On the inside my car looks like a fighter jet.
Re: Yeah, Wayne Screwed Up...
Thursday, July 18, 2013 9:05 PM
http://youtu.be/6xb7xil4PAw




On the inside my car looks like a fighter jet.
Re: Yeah, Wayne Screwed Up...
Saturday, July 20, 2013 12:17 PM
Looks to me like the best thing I could do is take Ron's suggestion of permatex and seal the little hole; then if I have a problem, I'll try one of those slip on units.
Re: Yeah, Wayne Screwed Up...
Saturday, July 20, 2013 2:36 PM
If the hole is that small that's the way I would go. Get it in black if you can or cover the permatex with a coating of real black 100% Silicone.






Re: Yeah, Wayne Screwed Up...
Saturday, July 20, 2013 11:51 PM
The permatex (The right stuff) product is black in color.It sets up quick and cures stupid fast.No other product is necessary because this is by one of the best products imo made for sealing tough leaks,and or areas that the normal silicone sealers tend to leak,peal or fail under pressure.Plus just clean the boot with brake clean first for a debris free surface then apply.Done and let it sit for a day and it will be cured for sure.Easy




Re: Yeah, Wayne Screwed Up...
Sunday, July 28, 2013 4:52 PM
So I used that Permatex on the right side where I made the pinhole, looks like it should do fine.

Something told me to take the flashlight and get a better look at the left side...glad I did because I found a big tear in that outer boot. Nobody saw the tear because it is in the fold of the accordion shape of the boot.

I think I'll be going to NAPA on Monday to talk to them about the slip on or two piece boots, as that seems to be the way to go for me. If I have a problem after that, my local mechanic can say "ca-ching" when I visit him.
Re: Yeah, Wayne Screwed Up...
Monday, July 29, 2013 8:12 AM
Well I’ve looked up all I can find about CV boots and kits and split boots, etc.

It appears there is no good solution other than just biting the bullet and getting the job done right. From everything I can find, the split boots always break and are a real mess, so that option is out.

Since I don’t really want to bite the bullet, of course I had an idea to run by everyone here:

On the right side where there’s a tiny hole, I took Ron’s advice ad got Permatex The Right Stuff Gasket Sealer. I cleaned up the area around the hole, put on the goop and I’m sure it will be fine.

On the left side, I found that large tear along the edge of the accordion ripple. Since the car hasn’t gone anywhere and no grease was lost, I know my axle is still fine inside there. I’m thinking I can just use that sealer stuff and it should hold just fine as well.

Any thoughts on that?

Really, that is what I’m going to do to get the car back on the road to get the alignment I need so I can drive it while I get other stuff done, then I can get a real repair done at a later date. I’m just wondering if anyone thinks this repair won’t last long, or if anyone thinks it could last thousands of miles.
Re: Yeah, Wayne Screwed Up...
Monday, July 29, 2013 9:11 PM
Well if the tear is not longer than two or three inches the gasket sealer should hold for a while.However with a lot of flexing it may leak it just varies on the crack and conditions.keep in mind if it gets worse you would just be better off buying a new axle and then you would still have to get the alignment done for a 2nd time.The permatex works great and should last for a reasonable time,but if it were my car I would go ahead get a new axle and be done with the time,expense and a 1 time alignment while working in this area.The pin hole is ok for a good while and see no reason to worry about that one.Just my take and just replaced a cv on my nephews Honda it was toast and grease on everything.Up to you at this point.Look on the thread about mowing I popped a pic of how bad his boot was split almost half way around so lost cause and original axle on his 98.



Re: Yeah, Wayne Screwed Up...
Tuesday, July 30, 2013 4:09 AM
From my experience those repairs in flex areas never last long. If you don't like the price of a new one you could always go used. Axles should be the same all the way to 3rd gens.



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