This is the most informative trend I have ever read in j-body. Makes me think about GM changer again.
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Manitoba Motorsports wrote:Freebs - the alcohol kit will work fine with the S/C, its been done before just not on a jbody 
Personally i love the GN setup, i've been tuning those 3.8L's for 2 years now. my buddy nick has a 87 Turbo T with a near stock turbo, and alcohol injection running 94 octane mohawk gas (ethonal blended) he ran 11.7 @112.7MPH last year (with the exhaust uncapped, running through STOCK exhaust it hit 12.0 and that was without lockup), this year we did a small cam, and a torque converter he also beefed up the rear axle abit. Looking for low 11's this year (he was also running @ 100% duty cycle on the injectors, the fuel pump couldnt keep up (no not stock on injectors or pump).
Yea the Turbo Buicks can be easly made into very quick cars... if the insurance rates werent so bad here in Alberta would have had a 87 Grand National for my first car... oh well i dont mind to much as i like my car and i still get the drive the gnx
maybe i should quit being lazy and put my kit in, its been sitting in my room for about a month now. What are you guys going to run, straigt windsheild wash fluid or mix it with water?
I've never mounted my Alcohol in the trunk, if you have alcohol inside the vehicle most tracks will require a fire suite as you cannot see alcohol burn (the flames dont show). I always have my kit mounted in the engine compartment next to the rad (thats where it is on the Turbo T so i figure when i do my Cavy i'll do the same thing)
only reason i say its waist is becuase it does not burn so it takes up space again its prettymuch a matter of personal preference.
I'll have to get more information from the GN kits and see if i can mock one up to an LD9
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eli ireLanD9,
I'll have dyno charts up after I finally get an exhaust on the car. Projected eta on that would be some time in the next two months. However, I will be hitting up Mid Michigan for some drag racing in two weeks. I'll post timeslips for sure.
dan wieland,
Get off your a$$ and do it! At least post pics of your setup.
Manitoba Motorsports,
I'm not concerned with my ability to tech into an NHRA race because I don't have a Nomex suit or a Halon system installed in my car. My car will never be that fast nor would I want it that fast (especially being a daily driver). Every single track I've been to doesn't care what you tech in with when it comes to a j-body. Why? Because it's a Cavalier/Sunfire! They expect you to run a low 16 at best in the 1/4 mile.
Like I said, a 50/50 water/alcohol mix is completely harmless. You can drop a match in it and it will just go out.
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dan wieland,
Get off your a$$ and do it! At least post pics of your setup.
maybe i will when i put my new fuel pump in this weekend.
Friends this is different topic question but related to this one.
Finally, anyone, Jake if you are reading this, tested the Exploited Racing SC garolite spacer? I need to know the impressions about it.
I know that is 3/8" thick but what would be the new clearance to the radiator support with this spacer installed? what should be the new items required (bolts, brackets, longer belts, etc........) to make it work properly?
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ok im almost done putting the kit in my car ill have pics up later and let you guys know how it work. i just need to put the tank in now
So anyone have info about the garolite SC spacer?
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Hey guys look what I found, water steam injection.
Check out this links,
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link #2.
What do think friends?
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i havent tried that spacer, too much work for me. I have it lying around though. SHoot me a email and 20$ shipped it is yours, i tried to sell it b4 but no one came through.
water injection- not sure if i am going to go threw with it, i am only running 4.5psi. We will see though.
ok i have been watching this post for a bit now.... seeing that the water/alcohol injection kit all work with boost control.... now saying the supercharger is at 4 psi all the time wont the kit be shooting a mist all the time when driving? not good for a daily driver?
now what if you wire up an msd rpm window switch? have it set at 4500rpms or so, then it only shoots a mist at higher rpms.... rather then all the time. would this work?
also using window washer Fluid be just fine.. i can't find a straight answer for this???
this summer im going to try to run the 2.6 pulley all the time with this water/alcohol injection kit as a daily driver car. im wanting to know if it save to do so. and run the 2.5" pulley at the track for fun.
so if anyone got more info on this that would be great thanks
they(coolingmist.com) makes switchs that activate at 1-4 psi, or 4-16 psi and u can have them preset by that company to turn on when ever u want.
Update:
My car is now an alcoholic!!!! The system works wonderfully!!! It's amazing what 50/50 denatured alky/water can do to your intake temps. The s/c doesn't get nearly as hot as it did before the setup.
I'm currently using the vtec channel on my e-manage to actuate the injector. It's basically an rpm/throttle position adjustable on/off switch. I want to eventually use the sub-injector channel as a progressive controller for the system but for some reason, it's not working out for me. I'm wondering if the sub-injector channel can handle the impedence of the stock 2k injectors. That might be the problem.
In any event, it's all working. I'll have timeslips up on sunday night once I get back from the track
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Pics of what? I have pictures of the bottle and my engine bay on the previous page. Honestly, there really isn't anything else other than a few wires going to the e-manage and my battery.
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yea these setups are clean... you cant even tell they are there most times.... I wana see your times slips... i bet if feels alot stonger... i dont know if you can notice it but once it gets hot it dosent feel like it has as much power.
Freebs wrote:yea these setups are clean... you cant even tell they are there most times.... I wana see your times slips... i bet if feels alot stonger... i dont know if you can notice it but once it gets hot it dosent feel like it has as much power.
That's called heat soak which is the whole reason behind me putting the system on my car in the first place. The supercharger doesn't really get hot with the system on the car. I've gone through about 2 hours of hard driving now with the system. All three times I've taken the car out since I've got it working I haven't felt heat soak! The car still feels like I just fired it up. After ripping on it for a while and then pulling it to the side of the road, the s/c still feels cold! amazing.
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ahahah your getting me more and more excited about this now... and so far spraying it thought the S/C has been fine? do you notice your engine temp gauge in the car any lower then it was before? or about the same as it was before you had boost?
where are you spraying it? you put in the black thing before the TB? also when does it start to spray?
^ there will be no "blck thing before the t.b." is you have the supercharger. The supercharger pretty much bolts up to the head with a small intake manifold (which is part of the S/C) in between.
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how do you know who much to spay? So your not spaying to much and end up having is pool inside the charger or the oil?
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Lash wrote:^ there will be no "blck thing before the t.b." is you have the supercharger. The supercharger pretty much bolts up to the head with a small intake manifold (which is part of the S/C) in between.
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there is a black tube there.... i have the sc and it there in the kit... it hooks to the tb and stock air box together... also the air tube to the engine
so i was just wondering if he put the nozzle there or after the tb
Brian R wrote:where are you spraying it? you put in the black thing before the TB? also when does it start to spray?
As shown on the 3rd page of this thread:
The "black thing" is after the throttle body and before the elbow on the intake. The injector is mounted to the bottom of it and pointing toward the throttle body.
-JaysonZ24- wrote:how do you know who much to spay? So your not spaying to much and end up having is pool inside the charger or the oil?
Again, on the 3rd page, I explain the theoretical math behind hydrolocking our engine at 900rpms. It would take a 27,000cc/min (yes, twenty-seven thousand) injector to lock up an LD9 at idle.
My theory behind seeing if the alcohol would pool was to just drive the damn thing around...which is what I did. After a while, I took off the intake and saw no standing water/alcohol.
After running at the track today, I managed to pull a 14.491 @ 96.3mph. Super high trap speed for the time meaning I couldn't hook up decently. I didn't do any scientific/specific tests to determine the alcohol did it's job. In all honesty, I think I need a bigger injector. Double the size would be a good start I think. However, just feeling the supercharger before and after running down the track told a huge story. Nearly the SAME temperature before and after!! Maybe 10-20 degrees hotter after a run. Not bad if you ask me.
Next time I hit up the track (in a couple weeks), I'll do some more specific tests to determine the effectiveness of the alcohol. Regardless, I'm satisified with the fact that it actually does something to help the car.
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