Mr pute i got a question, Did u add that 330 ohm resistor in the engine bay or right before your computer?....
in my engine bay there are 3 wires going into the sensor,
and orange one, green, and a brown...do i put the resistor between 2 of these 3 wires or?, near the computer er wat,..i just dont wanna do sumthing wrong haha thanx
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Don't bump topics, it'll get you booted off of here.
I answered your wiring question in my wideband thread.
Wire it near the sensor, not the computer. It doesn't matter but putting it near the sensor is the easiest place to put it...especially if you need to change it to a different one.
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Well I have my E-Manage installed as well, and it is working great.
EXCEPT
I am having issues getting it to not stall when sitting at a light or when i slow down to a stop.
I have just started playing with the anti engine stall feature and it has helped some, but it will still stall out.
Otherwise car runs and drives like stock and the injector conversion is AWESOME.
I swapped in my 440cc injectors last night, told the emanage my stock injectors were 310 (cause they are on my setup with the gm reflash) and told it the new size was 440. Uploaded it to the emanage, started the car, and went for a run.
Car started up great and when I hit the gas it jsut put me in my seat
Pulled so hard all the way up to 6k without missing a beat or hesitation.
I think this is the best my car has ever run in its life
(minus the stalling issues)
So, Mr. Pute, I need to talk to you hehe.
Later,
Jeff
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I think the part that you're probably missing is that T.P. should be 1%. Anything below that percentage will activate anti-stall.
I have the following values in mine:
500 550 600 650 700 750 800 850
4.0-------------------------2.0
Interpolate between the two values. Hope this helps.
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I have the same problem. I am running 440cc injectors but with the stock computer and emanage so my original injector size was 240cc I believe. I have had that problem all along. I have made it a lot better while working with the new wideband support tool. It has a pretty good auto tune feature.
I was working with the anti stall feature a while back. It did not seem to do much. Actually it made the car run worse because there was a huge hesitation when you give the car some throttle.
I have yet to find the perfect solution for this problem, but believe me I am trying to figgure it out. Like I said with the wideband support, it makes things a lot simpler. I have helped it a lot by just heavy tunning and the use of the auto tune feature helped
Mr. Pute
I have the following values in mine:
500 550 600 650 700 750 800 850
4.0-------------------------2.0
Interpolate between the two values. Hope this helps.
what size injectors do you have because that will make a huge difference?
Exterminator wrote:Yep you're deffinately seeing the exact same thing as I am. Now my question for you is how have you been adding the extra fuel needed? You do have some pretty massive injectors so i can see how 90% of the time youre probably trimming fuel out not adding additional, but in my setup I know I'm going to need to add probably in the mid range.
In playing around with the settings in the add injection map I have gotten the emanage to add to the stock pulses, i can't remember the details but it was aroung 3k-4k rpm and i added somewhere around 40% just to see if it was working or not. I think stock PW was somewhere around 6.7in and it was near 9.2 out. Don't quote me on these #'s as being exact because this was 4 days ago and i'm going from memory, i don't have the actual data in front of me right now. But then as the rpm's climbed at say around 5500 the emanage went to thinking 100% duty cycle and pulses in and out were both the same. Now at that time I was running on a 1/2 tach signal which might have confused it even more, but at the same time if it saw half the true RPM shouldn't it also calculate 1/2 duty cycle??? Hopefully I'll get a friend to drive the car again this weekend and i can trouble shoot more with them driving.
I stumbled into this post today and I think i am having the same issue as you guys regarding the 100% injector duty cycle. However I am using the SDS EIC which I have controlling 2 extra injectors...... Here it goes:
While I was on the dyno I was able to obtain great AF numbers around 3000 rpms to about 4500 rpms. Then the EIC went to 100% and dumped mads amount of fuel and caused me to go crazy rich. The injector duty cycle was normal until about 4300/4500 RPMS and then it indicates 100%. When I showed HAAS my dyno print out they suggested using the MSD Tach driver. I know Exterminator said he was going to try using a tach driver. Were you able to try the tach driver out yet? I have an 03 eco that is turbo charged with the HAAS stage 2 kit. I am trying to find a solution to my fuel problems and I was considering the e-manage, but it sounds like the e-manage is having very similar problems. I would love to take advantage of the e-manage, I'm being told by Haas that the e-manage will not work with the eco. I know this has been mentioned in this thread by Mike andrews but I'm not trying to start that war. I just want to maybe help out in finding a solution to these 2 common problems I see.
1)The CEL Map Sensor Low Voltage
2)100% duty cycle around 4300 RPMS
There are some problems with the eco and the e-manage but it sounds like they can be worked out. I'm also getting the map sensor low voltage CEL. There is a ton of great info in this thread and my brain is still trying to process everything. So i'm sorry if I'm just rambling. I will watch this thread closely for updates.
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Well the car idles fine and drives fine.
Only problem I am having now is the car will spudder when I try to take off from a stop.
It will only do this when it is fully warmed up to temp. It drives fine when its just being started, but once its warmed up it will spudder and kill when I try to take off. I am not sure if its lack of fuel or too much fuel, but I have a feeling it is one or another.
Anyone else having this problem?
I have my 440 cc injectors in right now and it did it when I had my "stock" 310's in there too. So I think it is something with the emanage that is doing it and not the injectors.
Fuel pressure is set to 40psi at idle and the emange injector conversion is working right.
Any ideas welcome.
I have the day off of work tomorrow, so I will be out messing with it all day im sure.
Well see what I can come up with but any ideas are welcome.
Thanks,
Jeff
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2000 Turbocharged Silver Z24 5spd
Cardomain Site
Pictures and Information of Z24 Turbo Project
"I am not sure if its lack of fuel or too much fuel, but I have a feeling it is one or another."
what kind of gauges are you using to watch you engine!?!
Yes, i did tie the emanage into the tach driver signal and that did help some. It still thinks it's seeing 100% duty cycle sometimes, but not nearly as often. Right now the car is down since i managed to burn a hole in my PS line with my new "exhaust setup" so I'm gonna be outta the loop for a few weeks. Once I get her back up and running I'll datalog some on the emanage and try to figure out some more on this. The thing is thouhg... even though the emanage was seeing what it thought was 100% duty cycle the car never leaned out and if i made adjustments In the airflow adjustment map, the injector pulse would lengthen out.
Once the car is running again I'll see if I can get more info on this, But the bottom line is that the emanage absolutely WILL work on the ecotec, there are just a few bugs to work out.
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wow most infomative thread ive ever read on here
listening...
just bought myself an emanage/laptop for my ecotec.
listening...
niice. i just got mine tuned!! im running mid to high 12s right now, only 5psi with 35 lb/hr injectors
Ok so youre running 5psi bost and 35lb/hr injectors. My question is what do your emanage settings look like? Are you using the injector correction? How are you adding fuel for boost? Using the extra injection map or the airflow adjustment map or both? Just curious becasue I'm still trying to work out the 100% duty cycle problem.
What's going on is I can not get the car any richer than 14.7:1 no matter what I do!! 3PSI / 7PSI of boost makes no difference still stuck at 14.7. Hopefully I can get some of this figured out ASAP.
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Ok so 15 min of time actually appling myself and a little math and vuala!!! I have a DEFINATE scenario and cause for the problem... no solution yet though
Ok in reguards to the 100% injector duty cycle on the emanage and the ecotec, it is DEFINATELY doing a calculation wrong. When at a set RPM (2735) my ecu is sending a puls width of 6.4ms to the injectors. If you calculate this out that's a duty cycle of 14%. Well my emanage is reporting 28%!!! By chance.. I think not it's exactly double the actual duty cycle. I tried 2 other sets of #'s and found the same thing. So now at least I have a definate problem to troubleshoot.
Now my question is in reguards to the switch settings were using for the ecotec. As listed on NY-Jbodies site I'm using 3-4-2 Now is the toyota these settings were designed for possibly a batch fire setup??? And if so could that be causing the miscalculation?
Any Ideas/Coments are welcome and awaited. I know I'm on the right track I just gotta crack this biotch.
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I am running 35 lb/hr ~ 370 cc, so i put into the auto correction before: 240cc after: 370cc. this will take care of all your vac values. Okay, first off you need a map sensor that can read boost, greddy pressure sensor or something. i am using an srt-4 map sensor and ran custom wiring into the boost harness location. if you don't have a pressure sensor you can't tune it for boost. once you have that you see what the voltage will be from the boost sensor at what ever psi you are running. I only changed values on the additional injection map. i left the airflow map at all zeros. now plug in like 30% accross the board on the additional injection map, then get in 5th gear at like 2000 rpms then go full throttle. have someone using the map trace feature while you are flooring it. well, if you don't have a wideband this is useless b/c you have no idea about your a/f ratios. but just watch your a/f ratios at what ever rpm, get your friend to change the values up or down as needed. this is how i did it and i tuned it perfectly into the mid 12s in like an hour.
I have a 96 Grand Am with the 2.4 and a custom turbo setup and I don't get any error lights on the e-manage, but i DO get a check engine light for code 107 - map sensor low input. I know that Mr Pute had a 330 ohm resistor on his 2000 but has anyone had to put a resistor on a 96 2.4? If so what impedance? Is anything going to get hurt if I play around with different impedances?
I bought the car with the turbo setup done, and the previous owner didn't know much about it. But I know the e-manage is hooked up to the fuel, ignition, and I see the Greddy pressure sensor hooked up under the hood. He gave me the e-manage disc, usb cable and manual... but no serial code so I couldn't install it on my laptop. I just ordered the support tool again so I will be able to do that.
Anyways I'm wondering why my e-manage doesnt freak out but the PCM does. As far as I know the car's computer is stock. I have an aeromotive fpr and RC 320cc injectors also...
Well I'm still listening... this thread is really informative
-Bob
nooooo! just type in random numbers for a serial number.
Well crap... I just hit the number 1 for a serial code and it worked. Anyone need the support tool and software? I ordered it now and I no longer need it.
So tonight I hooked up the laptop in the car just to check things out. My obd is throwing a 107 - map sensor low input code and looking at this thread I saw that if the map saw less than .2 volts it would throw the code. Well sure enough every time I shifted down from 5th to 4th smoothly it would go to like .15 or .14. I have the charts and I'll post them... theyre on my laptop right now... but I'm going to try the resistor at the map sensor to see if I can get rid of this issue.
Then its on to the exhaust manifold issue. Oh and why can't you view any of the pressure measurements in PSI? Its all in mm/hg or something else.
Anyways, the e-manage is great I like it a lot.
-Bob
I'm not sure if this is the right place for this but does anyone using the Emanage on an LD9 see really low injector duty cycles?
I'm seeing really low injector duty cycles... can figure out why.... I'm thinking about just running stock injectors ignoring the Air flow map and the additional injection maps and running large sub injectors... that will bypass alot of these problems since the emanage wil completely control the sub injectors correct?
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I have the 330ohm resistor installed and the code gets thrown without even driving it!! I clear the code, start the car up and boom its there right away. This sucks... i tried a 270 ohm one too and same thing. HELP!
what code are you throwing, low map sensor voltage?
