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HP Tuners.. I tossed it all on the line
Friday, February 18, 2005 6:53 PM


http://www.hptuners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?board=lounge;action=display;num=1095403347;start=20#34

I swear I'm doing all I can.

I've done all I can.. and tossed myself on the line and might get booted off the forum. Basically I laid it on the line.

I'm so glad I only mod musclecars...






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Re: HP Tuners.. I tossed it all on the line
Friday, February 18, 2005 6:55 PM
Thank you for the attempt.


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Re: HP Tuners.. I tossed it all on the line
Friday, February 18, 2005 6:59 PM
hell i didn't think that it was harsh but it also got to the point. Nice post and thanks


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Re: HP Tuners.. I tossed it all on the line
Friday, February 18, 2005 7:04 PM
Robo-

I'm still working on a software, but I NEED the key algorithm. If you know where I can find it, or if you are in better with Chris or Kieth, please could you find some information about it for me? I made posts on obdproject but its not all that active of a board yet. I do have somebody working on a cable, but I'm stuck at the key algorithm.

I could really use your help on this, and if I sell it, and I can get your help with the algorithm and the bootloader/reader, I'm more than willing to cut you in on it.





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Re: HP Tuners.. I tossed it all on the line
Friday, February 18, 2005 7:19 PM
I really don't know how I can make my point any better...

Heck.. greed ought to motivate them..

But these are people I've known for a while, and I can only offer my opinion. I hope they respect my judgment enough to at least check it out. But that V8 answer kinda says it all....

Maybe our best bet is to develop a 4 cylinder tuner program and not rely on V8 tuners to come up with what we want. After all, it wouldn't be the first thing we had to design for ourselves..

I'm lost.. I spent the better part of 2 years putting this together and I really can't say where its going now..

I'm truly sorry for everybody who's hopes I got up. I know this will work out in the end, but its not what I expected at all. I fully expected them to see what this market offered and jump on it..

I will say though.. some of the other posts you've seen are no close to offering 4 banger support. And HP at least has the stuff figured out and ready to run - if they would just release it.
Really.. all we need is spark and fuel for now.. tranny stuff later. We can live without 10,000,000 tunable parameters like the V8 guys like to have. Give us the basics..
Long ago we figured out how to work around the other stuff...








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Re: HP Tuners.. I tossed it all on the line
Friday, February 18, 2005 7:38 PM
Shifted: I know nothing of those things.
I am a hardware person, rather than a software one.
I can make cables talk, but I don't know the code. However.. I do know how to figure out what you need - if you have access to certain things. After all I do chase hackers for a living...

But.. I won't do anything until I give Keith and others a chance to make this work. After a year of delays I'd say another 3 months is good. They can at least offer something - even a datalogger might appease people...... their experience is much greater than anything we could come up with in a few months.









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Re: HP Tuners.. I tossed it all on the line
Friday, February 18, 2005 7:52 PM
Well any help is more than appreciated, I know they have the formula, and the last thing I want is to take business away from them. I don't pretend to be a guru, and I know I'm not even close to having something, but I think that if I can dump the PCM, and reflash it, all I would need is to figure out where the fuel and spark tables are and we'd be miles ahead as far as tuning goes on our cars.

I have access to Ida Pro, so picking through the dump isn't a concern to me, I just have to learn 68832 as a second language .

I have a couple seed/key pairs, but you can imagine how difficult that is to figure out an algorithm from without access to the source. I know there are a number of people who know how to get the key, HPT is one of them, and the BeyerCh guy on the forums is the other that I know of. The BeyerCh's email is no longer valid, so I've been trying to find him.

I do plan on having one hell of a datalogger out within a couple months though, written specifically to tailor to the J's...

Which would lead me to the other question, you wouldn't happen to know where to find the PID scaling information would you? I'm going to ask GM, but I don't have any real contacts and asking through thier website will probably get me a lot less than anything I can find on the net myself.

If I got a PCM, would it be possible to just unsolder the EEPROM chips and read the memory through a chip flasher? Am I at least on the right path here?





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Re: HP Tuners.. I tossed it all on the line
Friday, February 18, 2005 8:18 PM
your on the path I was on. Map things, and figure out communications later. If you look at the early posts it was pulling the chip and modding it, then putting it back.

I won't go any further here but I might elsewhere





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Re: HP Tuners.. I tossed it all on the line
Friday, February 18, 2005 8:20 PM
Thank you, I may ask for more assistance when I get a PCM to disassemble, but I will do so through other mediums. I really appreciate the help.






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Re: HP Tuners.. I tossed it all on the line
Friday, February 18, 2005 8:23 PM
robo
you are my hero



Re: HP Tuners.. I tossed it all on the line
Friday, February 18, 2005 10:34 PM
thanks robo for your help.

hey HP lets do some math.. its easy.. the product is all the same price so its all based on #'s to overcome fixed costs (R&D)... is there a HUGE waiting list for the LS2 support? are you the only tuning product made for platform? will you have 100% market share? NO, NO, NO, NO, NO....

am I gonna go out and spend $40,000 on a car and possibly mess it up... ok no sorry. teh gay.. anyway OBD1 here I come..

i dont understand some people..



Sven you totally quarterloafed your computer..

Re: HP Tuners.. I tossed it all on the line
Friday, February 18, 2005 10:54 PM
huge market here they are ignoring... thousands of dollars they are throwing away


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Re: HP Tuners.. I tossed it all on the line
Saturday, February 19, 2005 8:12 AM
Hey shifte/Ron.....I have 4 pcms....2 99's and 2 2000s take your pick



Ben




Goodbye Bobby, May God grant you the peace you never found in life.
“Here's my counter-offer to your counter-offer: go f**k yourself.”
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Re: HP Tuners.. I tossed it all on the line
Saturday, February 19, 2005 8:19 AM
Sweet man, I'd take one of each if thats alright... do yo use the email in your reg anymore? I'll make arrangements to get them since I don't live in Milwaukee anymore.






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Re: HP Tuners.. I tossed it all on the line
Saturday, February 19, 2005 8:40 AM
not in milwaukee anymore??? WTF?? where'd you go?
yeha my email is still good



Goodbye Bobby, May God grant you the peace you never found in life.
“Here's my counter-offer to your counter-offer: go f**k yourself.”
—Al Swearengen
Re: HP Tuners.. I tossed it all on the line
Saturday, February 19, 2005 9:14 AM
we apprciate your help robo


hopefully they will wake up








Re: HP Tuners.. I tossed it all on the line
Saturday, February 19, 2005 9:25 AM
listening curiously
Re: HP Tuners.. I tossed it all on the line
Saturday, February 19, 2005 10:08 AM
Crash wrote:

not in milwaukee anymore??? WTF?? where'd you go?
yeha my email is still good


Sent you an email Ben.





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Re: HP Tuners.. I tossed it all on the line
Saturday, February 19, 2005 10:09 AM
someone else will jump on the boat and they wont, i wont feel a bit sorry for them, i think why there is so much going on right now is that we are in the middle of a revolution right now. The V8s of the mostly older crowd do thier thing and most of us within the younger segment do our thing with the 4 bangers. Theres a number of differences which seperate us. They like rear drive we grow up in an era where few cars are v8 and hardly any are rear drive. We are used to better gas mileage and focus more on suspensions. We are accepting to technology while the old timers swear by thier carbs. v8s dont rule or roam the streets anymore, they havent for years. In 1985 I wouldnt believe that a cavalier could beat a camaro. Now in 2005 the cobalt ss can beat alot of them. The V8 guys are in denial I think and they still think that its inconceivable to get beat by a 4 banger.

I know this alot because of the conversations that I have with my dad. For instance a 1967 Shelby GT 500 runs 14.0 in the 1/4 mile many of us on here have beaten that . He just swears that no 4 cylinder can beat a V8. He thinks its silly for me to mod my car. Fact of the matter is that when I'm done my car will roast anything he ever built. Young guys dont mod V8s cause its not what they grew up with, we cant afford the insurance on a v8 either



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Re: HP Tuners.. I tossed it all on the line
Saturday, February 19, 2005 10:13 AM
Appreciate your input on that Robo. I can hang on for a couple of months more.

If there not making a profit after selling 10 (5,000) then there is something wrong. I know for a fact that they will sell at least 40 in the first 2 months.



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Re: HP Tuners.. I tossed it all on the line
Saturday, February 19, 2005 10:31 AM
I hope someone beats them to the market, buys them, takes their technology and closes them down. hee hee

Anyway, Shifted and Robo, if you guys need any help, let me know...while I am more of an analog/digital design and hardware design type electrical engineer, I can do software, and embedded systems...

Just in case you need any help.



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Re: HP Tuners.. I tossed it all on the line
Saturday, February 19, 2005 10:33 AM
Craig...

Check out my project forums, sign up, keep an eye on things there, there will be more updates on that site than this one until I actually get something out, since most of the people here aren't interested in the process, only in the product.

http://www.obdproject.com





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Re: HP Tuners.. I tossed it all on the line
Saturday, February 19, 2005 10:38 AM
I think thats a good idea


shifted and craig and robo make something for us and wipe it in their face



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Re: HP Tuners.. I tossed it all on the line
Saturday, February 19, 2005 10:51 AM
that would be fun....

anyway, shifted... I will read up on the forums over the next week or so and see what I can do.




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Re: HP Tuners.. I tossed it all on the line
Saturday, February 19, 2005 12:01 PM
RoboGeek wrote:

I really don't know how I can make my point any better...

Heck.. greed ought to motivate them..

But these are people I've known for a while, and I can only offer my opinion. I hope they respect my judgment enough to at least check it out. But that V8 answer kinda says it all....

Maybe our best bet is to develop a 4 cylinder tuner program and not rely on V8 tuners to come up with what we want. After all, it wouldn't be the first thing we had to design for ourselves..

I'm lost.. I spent the better part of 2 years putting this together and I really can't say where its going now..

I'm truly sorry for everybody who's hopes I got up. I know this will work out in the end, but its not what I expected at all. I fully expected them to see what this market offered and jump on it..

I will say though.. some of the other posts you've seen are no close to offering 4 banger support. And HP at least has the stuff figured out and ready to run - if they would just release it.
Really.. all we need is spark and fuel for now.. tranny stuff later. We can live without 10,000,000 tunable parameters like the V8 guys like to have. Give us the basics..
Long ago we figured out how to work around the other stuff...
this makes me want to kick somebody straight in the nutts thats it i am buying a cobalt ss fu#@ #@%%*#*%^$##@! i need to be able to get the dam thing re-flashed. i need a drink!


see ya!

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