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Anyhow... here's what my ideal of the word of God is... Take it for what it's worth:
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were you telling me this? or somone else or...?
I was just putting that out there to anyone who wants to listen. Oh and to the atheist time will tell...........................and then you'll understand!
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GAM (The Canadian One) wrote:Interesting:
Humans that do NOT ascribe to any religious code can get by just fine on their own perceptions of societal norms. Even when they are not within a society that holds one religion as the truth.
I think the point is that humans and there morals are not subject to what religion they follow if any. Just because they don't follow a certain religion doesn't mean they were not born with the inate morals set forth by God. Just like faith, God seeks to get every human back in to heaven, so just became a person doesn't believe doesn't mean that God isn't looking out for them.
GAM (The Canadian One) wrote:The interesting thing, Jb4JC, is that you don't realise that the churches of Christianity have had to change with society. Original churches and missions in Roman times advocated self-flaggelation as a means of purification, the burning of those that were different (ie, women that had moles on their faces or hands), and those that had different ideas about the same bible passages. This all condoned and encouraged by a church whose focus was not the creation of a meaningful exisitence for people, but the domination of them as an end to political power?
Christian churches didn't spawn from Roman teaches, the Roman Catholic church spawned from Roman teaches. The corruptness didn't effect the teaches of chrisrtianity, at least the corruptness of the Roman church. Even if mankind had to learn what is right and wrong from experience, how would they know anyways if there wasn't a higher consquence (sp?)? There had to be rulers in that day that were considered above the law, and if they made the change to the rules and standards, wouldn't it be because of iinternal fear of a higher consquence? As who they will have to answer to after life is over?
I see your point Gam, churches did have to change. But I think what you mean is there was always a dominant practice, becasue there was always different churches. The Roman catholic church has always been it's own entity in Christianity. Christianity once again became more like beliefs before catholicism until Martin Luther had separated from the beliefs of catholicism into bringing his church into a more bible based Christianity. That reverted to the non denominatonal churches of our day. Thats why I say that there are those who live by the bible today, just as those after the canonization
of the bible.
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Ehh.. there was really only one Christian Church after the fall of Rome and that was the Catholic church, although, Jive and I went back and forth about where the protestant arrayed churches had their biblical genesis... The link is in here, I just don't remember which one it was...
Anyhow...
As for Dominant practices, I doubt there were any great differences until the separation of Church and state after the renouncing of the Latin Vulgate Bible.
My ideals on the origins of the bible and the fact that its not complete, notwithstanding, the ideals that are included are pretty much emulative of tribal and non-christian societal norms. I don't label myself as such a christian (in response to the locked thread
) however, I do at times believe in God, and I do believe that Jesus was born and walked the earth and quantified a belief system that endures to this day, I just think that there were many other ideas that he borrowed from (not that I'm condemning it, there are references to Hinduism and Buddhism in some of the verses, Turn the other cheek is a reference to buddhism, forgive and forget is hindu in origin... ) that are not exclusive to Christianity, and infact predate Judaism....
Again, understanding that I do not believe exclusively in a Christian ideal of God, I think that the ideals are still useful, but I don't think our societal norms or morals were beset upon us from on high, I think they evolved as consequence of socialisation for survival.
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GAM (The Canadian One) wrote: I don't label myself as such a christian (in response to the locked thread ) however, I do at times believe in God, and I do believe that Jesus was born and walked the earth and quantified a belief system that endures to this day, I just think that there were many other ideas that he borrowed from (not that I'm condemning it, there are references to Hinduism and Buddhism in some of the verses, Turn the other cheek is a reference to buddhism, forgive and forget is hindu in origin... ) that are not exclusive to Christianity, and infact predate Judaism....
As evolutionists are quick to point out that they do not believe man came from ape, but a common ancestor to both (the reason there are apes for us to observe), I will make the assertion that Jusus (Jesua, pronounced Yesh-oo-ah), did not borrow from any religion, but that they share a common source.
IE: the Hindus, Buddists, and Jesus all recognised a common truth. God.
Hmmm, that kinda relates to the common morality argument as well.. Well whaddya know.. One source for everything.
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Uhh...I don't think Buddists (sp?) believe in God. They seek enlightenment. Someone correct me if I'm wrong
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Buddhists Worship (per se, not really... ) Buddha as their spritual leader. He was born of a lotus blossom and became the enlightened one through many many years of dedication to finding the truth and englightenment of existence. Buddhists accept his teachings as the way for them each to find enlightenment.
Hindu's worship Krishna, and his many incarnations, as well as Shivva who is his equal, but Shivva is the destroyer, and Krishna is the creator. The have a caste system that increases/decreases in rank comensurate what they did in their previous lives.
Yeshua was born roughly 2000 years ago, however, Buddhism, and Hinduism trace their roots back 5-7000 years, which pre-dates Judaism.
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So?
You don't seem to be grasping my "different fingers of the same hand" analogy.
It doesn't matter how old any religion is. If God created us all, then all religions have the opportunity to know the truth. I wasn't the first person to gaze at the sky, but I also didn't need someone else to tell me it was there.
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You're assuming I believe in God that created the universe... I don't.
I don't believe that God created the universe (or what we know of it) and then handed down his laws... I believe that if there is a God, he (for lack of a better word) started the ball rolling with the big bang... After that I think we're the evening's entertainment... but then again, I may just be another person in the restaraunt at the end of the universe.
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You assume I care what you beliefs are.
It doesn't matter what religions pre-existed Christ, he still could have "come up with" his "ideas" without being influence by another teacher. That is my point.
Be good to each other, be tolorant, and have some respect. <-- Those ideas are not really too hard top come up with on your own you know. Like I said, some things are just evident to those with eyes to see and ears to hear. You did not need your mom to tell you the sky was blue, you figured that one out on your own, right?
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Define "blue"
Or better yet, prove that you're looking at the same sky that everyone else is, or that you see it in the same way.
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Be good to each other, be tolorant, and have some respect
And that's what it should begin and end with--the rest, about christ, buddha, krishna, allah, moses, YHVH, Odin, Zeus, et. al. is just wrapping paper.
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Here's my one point that makes me laugh about the bible. Read Exodus 32:10-14
I like the God of the old testament alot more than the God of the new. At least back in the day he was smackin people around and showing them what's what. When'd he turn into such a wimp?
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a theory on that, James, is that there could be a different god now--but how could humans fathom, or day that there's is or isn't that when we have such limited cognative powers,
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Even there he showed mercy and forgiveness. The old testament seems to show a lot of the Patriarical aspect of God "the Father", were the new testament shows the more matriarical side in God "the Son".
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matriach+son=major syntax error or hermaphrodite, or even a eunuch.
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Hey I hear ya, but.. If God has a "feminine" side, Jesus is it.
The Father has been shown to be caring and kind, but also to rule with an iron fist, often wiping out entire civilizations because of a few sinners. Jesus on the hand ushered in an element of mercy not seen before, where even repentant sinners will be accepted.
You of all people should understand the duality of the Godhead's persona.. In fact the trpicity (is that a word?), but the Holy Ghost remains a mystery to us, so let's deal with the persona we know.
Jesus my have been male only to serve the political environment of the time, or perhaps just to fulfill prophesy. In order to gain some respect amongst his peers or for whatever reason. The fact is, he demonstrtes personality traits that are much more motherly than the Father had shown previously.
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Oh, i understand the duality perfectly--but there's so much UNanswered that the truth as either of us beleieve may not be what actually is--if that makes sense.
In one sense, the old-testament god was a hairy thunderer. The new testament god is a cosmic muffin (according to a GOD TQM questionaire i've seen
). But, what is not saying is the fact that there could very well have been 2 different gods:
The triplicity could explain this--not saying it IS true (because i still see God in the monotheistic sense as a fundamental improbability), but if you think about it--while god could have the trinity as its visage to the world, it could very well be that after a given period of time, God is simply changed out for a new god.
Improbable, maybe, but no more so than the concept of God itself
.
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Aww Shuks.. I was hoping to have some good banter here, but I don't really have anything to argue with.
Except that, the one God, being perfect (my truth, you don't have to like it), is unchanging, therefore any persona observed have to exist eternally. God cannot change as any change would either create or destroy perfection and that cannot happen or there is no one God. I know you don't believe that, but I do, and that's the only way it can be (to me).
God is a most excellent teacher and will use any means a person needs in order to understand.
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hey man, i can't tell you how it can be to you any more than you can tell it how it can be for me!
Your truth is your truth and i can't, nor won't try to take it from you.
Besdies, the universe is big and complex enough that both truths (and many more) can coexist and be facts to the people that hold them
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actually, no.
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besdies <Carlin>, My God has a bigger d*ck than your God!</Carlin>
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My God made your god, so there!
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Carlin cracks me up, except for his fart fetish, that's just disturbing.
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Carlin cracks me up, except for his fart fetish, that's just disturbing.
Just a quick question ^^^^^^^^
If your God made Keepers's "God" did we just skip over the last 12 posts in this topic where "your" God is younger than Keeper's "God"??
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hey, i don't care who says what, he is the funniest comedian that ever lived...
And he finds farts incredibly funny...why? 'cause farts are incredibly funny.
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