You do realize that the only reason why english is attacked is because its the majority language spoken here right ? You hear noone from the ACLU bitching about french, spanish or any other languages taught in schools do you ? But mention an english class and all of a sudden you hate other cultures and are afraid of them. Grow up ! I
don't care what language you speak at home but when your dealing with the public you should be able to speek english.
The same with religion, it's prefectly fine to complain about a Christmas tree because its the majorities religion. But the ACLU and all its abmo chaseing layers will sue your pants off if you try and prevent someone from displaying the Minora ( spelling ? ) Or anything to do with Kwanza and suddenly your a raceist or a anti-semite. Well it goes both was you know ! All you anti-Christmas anti-Christian meanies !
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Jackalope wrote:No, Its because if I want to order a burger I shouldn't have to point at a picture to try to explain what I want.
If I went to their country on vacation I would make ever effort to try to speak the language. What I'm tired of is the people who don't even try to learn. If your trying I'll do my DAMNDEST to try and figure out what you mean. But I can't stand the ones that walk up to me and start speaking spanish like I should KNOW how to. Hey you jumped the fence to get here so why should I know your language ?
And while you say that, you also say this is a free country, free as in "I don't want to learn English if I don't want to".
I know people who are second generation from immigrants who speak english and their parents don't speak english well...so for the fact that no one speaks or understands english is a bit far fetched. Most can understand basic things.
One thing people totally forget is that most immigrants who come here are teenagers to adults. It's much more difficult to learn a new language when you are these ages. It's also much more difficult when you are say an immigrant with no money and no way of having the proper education to learn english first hand. So what does that mean? You have to pick it up as you go along, you slowly start to learn words etc etc.
The english language is one of the harder languages to learn...we all think it's easy cause we've been programmed since we were kids to speak english so it's cake to us, but in reality, someone who speaks French or Spanish might have trouble switching over to English.
Now for the hypocrites who say "you come to America, learn english", before you go to another country, see how long it takes you to learn every word of German, how their punctuation is used, how to conversate in German....then go to Germany. It's always a cop out to say that but in reality it's probably the most difficult things to do, learn another language. Your family is coming to America because it's the land of free and opportunity and escaping a communist country, you're not going to know english the first day you are here and more than likely you CAN'T learn it where you are from. There are the exception of countries that teach english as well as their native language like the Dutch do but that's very few.
Just take those things into consideration...
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Jackalope wrote:. Hey you jumped the fence to get here so why should I know your language ?
wow lets see you stereotype more people !
honestly i feel if you move into the united states you have the same rights as everyone and that if you dont want to learn the language then so be it thats your right but dont get all huffy if someone cant hire you cause you cant pass a compitency test and you cant interact with your customers cause you cant understand what theyre saying. i work in a hospital and we emp[loy everyone, from mentally challenged people to somolians to mexicans to americans to asians. we dont care all you have to do is do your job. granted alot of the people that cant speak english generally work in enviromental services cleaning the floors/rooms and they dont have much patient contact they have there supers and thats who they deal with.
i personally dont speak anything but english, that i barely speak correctly. however i feel if they dont speak english so what, you dont know there background you dont know what they came from they could of been one of the top heart surgeons in freakin africa but since they dont speak english you look down apon them ?? jesus get off your pedistal and actually get into the world that is around you.
I feel if you come to the U.S you should learn the common language which is english. To me that's part of U.S. culture. True it may not be the original language spoken as America is a mix of different races. But it's what we've adapted to so why change it after all these years?
If I moved to Mexico I sure wouldn't expect those guys to learn English, in fact I'd make myself learn spanish....free country or not....you're on foreign turf. You learn to adapt to the norm.
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I wanna start this by saying that i work with many and are friends with many hispanic, african-american, and asian decent people.
i wish someone would really try and start an argument that english is not the majority language spoken in america. are you guys kidding me? i work at a hospital too and we employee interpreters for spanish, russian, and sign. sign people cant help it but most spanish speaking people that know english act dumb like they cant understand or speak it so they can have someone do it for them. its nuts. i call somewhere and hear my options in english and spanish. i just happen to know a little spanish and can communicate fairly well. thats my choice to know that. i also know a little german, russian, and chinese. also my choice. i learned these from 19-23 so there is no excuse for people my age not learning these and acting like we should employee people to understand them. im not racist at all. i barely have any caucasian friends. most of my friends are african-american and of asian decent (cambodian, loa.....). point is they learned english and some of them havnt been here that long but they didnt have a problem learning. i understand the whole better life thing and blah, blah, blah. but i really cant help that can i. the world is not perfect, if it was id be rich. but as the fact of hispanic people coming to america and taking all the jobs argument that im sure will come up. do you really wanna work 12-16 hours a day for 20-30 bucks, sometimes no pay at all if the employer doesnt fell like paying them that day. my point is they arent taking the jobs we want anyway. look around btw. im sure (jason rubito(beatz)) can back me up on this working at a hospital. there are a lot of lazy ass american freeloaders too. just because they can speak english doesnt make them a better person. i really could go on forever and i will defend myself as needed.
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i wish someone would really try and start an argument that english is not the majority language spoken in america.
Wow...great point.
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just because they can speak english doesnt make them a better person.
Well said. I think sometimes americans take people who don't speak english as being stupid because they can't understand what they are saying, which is very ignorant. That person could have been a doctor in Uraguay and you're calling him stupid cause he doesn't speak english...
Good points though.
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I love it when someone comes across someone else who doesn't speak english, and they start shouting at them slowly, like "SSSIIIRR WHHHAAAT KIIIIND OFFFF SOOOOODA DOOOOO YOOOUUU WANNNNNNNNT?"
That busts me up.
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yea i know this is going to sound bad, but i live down in Texas. I deal alot of non-english speaking people. But you know what, we have to deal with it. I dont agree with me having to adapt to their language, and to people saying their kids will learn english. B.S. In my old high-school we had classes for the kid who spoke no english. Alot of them could have cared less. So you cant say they WILL learn. I dont agree with that them not trying to learn out language. But our schools are based in English so I belive they should learn English. I also have hispanic friends. My ex-wife is Asian, so i am not racisit. You can call me ignorant. But I have me some that try to speak and/or learn english. I am try to help them the best i can if they ask. Like when worked construction, one of them asked for my help to pass it Citizen test. and He passed.
but we are of many, cultures, races, languages, just people in general. So quit yo bi***en
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o yeah to add to my post. i will be out of town this weekend so i will defend my comments later.
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That is the biggest piece of uneducated @!#$ I have read in a long long time.
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Rob S wrote:That is the biggest piece of uneducated @!#$ I have read in a long long time.
instead of saying something to make yourself look as you said uneducated, why don't you add to the discussion at hand .
Midnight Ride wrote:and to people saying their kids will learn english. B.S.
That's highly anecdotal. I also live in a
heavily hispanic area (White persons, not of Hispanic/Latino origin, percent, 2000, 39.7
, and the kids know english.
I made my statement from studies I've read, however, and wasn't from personal observation. If your area isn't getting it done, sounds like a problem with Texas.
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My Grandpa moved here from Czechoslovika in 1939 and he couldn't speak a bit of english. He was 16 when he moved here and he was put in the 1st grade so he could learn english. Now he speaks perfect english, not even an accent. His mother, who I actually knew, spoke english with an accent. I don't understanmd why people think it's OK for someone to move to this country and not even take the time to learn the common language. If I were to move to Germany I would expect to learn to speak German, I will have to adjust, not everyone else.
I believe that if you migrate to a country, you should legally have to learn theyr language......Take an emergency for example......A firefighter is giving instructions to a foreign person stuck in an apartment fire.....The fire fighter knows an escape route from looking at the layout.....the firefighter cannot relay the escape route until a translator shows up 15 minutes later....the person is now dead......and the firefighter may now lose their life in the rescue attempt.
jordan kruger wrote:I believe that if you migrate to a country, you should legally have to learn theyr language......Take an emergency for example......A firefighter is giving instructions to a foreign person stuck in an apartment fire.....The fire fighter knows an escape route from looking at the layout.....the firefighter cannot relay the escape route until a translator shows up 15 minutes later....the person is now dead......and the firefighter may now lose their life in the rescue attempt.
I know you're from Canada but in case you didn't know...we don't have 1 language here, we have no national language. They wouldn't be able to say "according to this law, you have to learn this language" because that would defeat the purpose of being a free country and it's not in the constituation. This would have to be voted in by congress which it wouldn't because it is inconstituational to do.
As far as a fire fighter not being able to help someone cause of the lack of speaking the same language...I think it's a bit off. First, I doubt a fire fighter is going to yell out plans to someone inside a burning building. If they are hanging from a window, they would more than likely tell them to jump. If a fire fighter was inside and trying to help someone, they wouldn't need to know the same language. There is a thing in life called "body language", body language is a universal thing, you can tell if someone is scared, angry, sad and also communicate with people using your body language, hands etc.
Also, there are PLENTY of fire fighter stations that have bi-lingual fire fighters.
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NJHK (The JBO Negro) wrote:jordan kruger wrote:I believe that if you migrate to a country, you should legally have to learn theyr language......Take an emergency for example......A firefighter is giving instructions to a foreign person stuck in an apartment fire.....The fire fighter knows an escape route from looking at the layout.....the firefighter cannot relay the escape route until a translator shows up 15 minutes later....the person is now dead......and the firefighter may now lose their life in the rescue attempt.
I know you're from Canada but in case you didn't know...we don't have 1 language here, we have no national language. They wouldn't be able to say "according to this law, you have to learn this language" because that would defeat the purpose of being a free country and it's not in the constituation. This would have to be voted in by congress which it wouldn't because it is inconstituational to do.
Language is a contentious issue in Canada... You have to be able to speak at least one of the national languages (Being english or french) to get access to government services. Seeing as how most people that Immigrate to a country either learn the language of the land, or get access to people that can teach or do translating... it's not a big deal. I think in Vancouver all provincial gov't services are handled in English and Mandarin, Wu and Cantonese.
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As far as a fire fighter not being able to help someone cause of the lack of speaking the same language...I think it's a bit off. First, I doubt a fire fighter is going to yell out plans to someone inside a burning building. If they are hanging from a window, they would more than likely tell them to jump. If a fire fighter was inside and trying to help someone, they wouldn't need to know the same language. There is a thing in life called "body language", body language is a universal thing, you can tell if someone is scared, angry, sad and also communicate with people using your body language, hands etc.
The other "body language" is when 2 Firefighters enter a room, find one person and one of them picks up the evacuee.
I don't know for certain, but those SCUBA masks don't seem to me to be very conducive to shouting orders... I'd think pointing and shoving would be more appropriate.
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Also, there are PLENTY of fire fighter stations that have bi-lingual fire fighters.
Yep. Every one in Ottawa, Montreal New Brunswick and Winnipeg.
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All of you are totally off the point... Here's what I think...
Women with a foreign accent are hot!
I'm more offended by someone who mumbles than someone who speaks a different language.
Agustin, here's my definition of American Culture... It's the mix of everyone else's imported ancestry thrown in to a neighborhood. Drive 2 blocks, you may be in a different imported culture. The only exceptions to this are the things that were invented here, like Jazz, Hip-Hop, Indian Casinos...
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Indian Casino's were invented by the Indians
Well, those with whom the US Gov't didn't decide to break treaty with.
The US has a bunch of regional cultures (ie, north east, south, west coast, prairie, Texarkanan, Cajun (well, that's not really an american culture, but I'm including it anyhow)), but no one unifying thread of foods (Fast Food doesn't qualify), behaviours, dances, music, etc.
It comes with being part of a large country.
Canada is the same kind of thing... Maritimers, Quebec, Ontario, Manitoba/Saskatchewan/ Alberta (prairie provinces), BC, North of 60... many cultures and languages under one banner.
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How many people here actually know another language? Just curious because chances are that if you took the effort to learn another language, you would be more tolerant of people that haven't completely learned English since you would know how hard it is.
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Glace wrote:How many people here actually know another language? Just curious because chances are that if you took the effort to learn another language, you would be more tolerant of people that haven't completely learned English since you would know how hard it is.
Wow...that is oh so true
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jason rubito(beatz) wrote:Jackalope wrote:. Hey you jumped the fence to get here so why should I know your language ?
wow lets see you stereotype more people !
How is it stereotypeing when its true ? These people come here illegally and can't speak english but I should learn thier language ? I so don't think so ! No speaka english ? Then get out !
If this offends you tough ! Not my problem . You have 2 choices deal with it or don't either way I'll sleep just fine .
And I'm not talking about people who are making an effort to learn just those content to speak the language of where ever .
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Jackalope wrote:jason rubito(beatz) wrote:Jackalope wrote:. Hey you jumped the fence to get here so why should I know your language ?
wow lets see you stereotype more people !
How is it stereotypeing when its true ? These people come here illegally and can't speak english but I should learn thier language ? I so don't think so ! No speaka english ? Then get out !
If this offends you tough ! Not my problem . You have 2 choices deal with it or don't either way I'll sleep just fine .
And I'm not talking about people who are making an effort to learn just those content to speak the language of where ever .
We aren't talking about ILLEGAL immigrants, we are talking about legal immigrants. I don't think we should cope for anyone that should be here but there are plenty of hard working people who have just came to America who don't know English. If they happen to speak spanish, fine. There are Polish, Russian, German people who don't speak english but they can understand some english to get by OR they live a life where they don't come in contact with many people who don't speak their language.
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Like I said killa if they put forth an effort to try and learn it or try and speak it I'm all for that but legals or not who don't even try are the ones I have a problem with. And yes I realize its MY problem but the places who employee these no speaka english types
don't get my money and if they're finr with that then so am I.
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