Jackalope wrote:
Keep argueing WHY laws should be broken, seriously this is great entertainment!!
Look I agree the laws suck ass and need to be changed but untill they do they should not be ignored.
03silverecocav (Gabe) wrote:when multiple insects come into your hosue do you not say my house is being invaded by bugs? or even the common phrase your invading my personal space......invading dosen't have to mean guns blazing going to war taking over, they are invading our country no matter how you look at it but i forgot you also think that illegally crossing a border is not illegal but is perfectly okay so yeah i used the wrong words to describe for you to understand.
Out of curiousity would stealing your car be considered stealing from you or would they just be borrowing it?
Agustin wrote:I'm 100% of Mexican descent. But it's not even that simple. As you all know, "Mexicans" are a recent world culture. Further back, I'm native American, from two diferent tribes..one near San Diego, one from here in Fresno, CA. I had one great-grandparent who was 100% Spanish (blonde, blue-eyed). In all, the very definition of Mexican.
BTW, even though I could get indian gaming money, I don't. I think casinos are a cancer and should stay contained to certain areas of the country, so I don't accept any money. I've never accepted any assistance ..money, job, educational...based on my heritage, period.
Tristan wrote:To Jackalope, I think I finally understand what the hell it is you've been trying to say. Correct me if I am wrong, but you for the most part agree with Agustin and myself, but think until we fix the laws and allow them to become citizens that they are criminals and need to be delt with? Just trying to get what you're saying, so please correct me if I am wrong.
Jackalope wrote:Tristan wrote:To Jackalope, I think I finally understand what the hell it is you've been trying to say. Correct me if I am wrong, but you for the most part agree with Agustin and myself, but think until we fix the laws and allow them to become citizens that they are criminals and need to be delt with? Just trying to get what you're saying, so please correct me if I am wrong.
Tristan you get a gold star for the day!! Go get yourself a cookie!! Thank you for getting it.
Tristan wrote:'03silverecocav (Gabe) wrote:when multiple insects come into your hosue do you not say my house is being invaded by bugs? or even the common phrase your invading my personal space......invading dosen't have to mean guns blazing going to war taking over, they are invading our country no matter how you look at it but i forgot you also think that illegally crossing a border is not illegal but is perfectly okay so yeah i used the wrong words to describe for you to understand.
Out of curiousity would stealing your car be considered stealing from you or would they just be borrowing it?
First of all, you called them an invading FORCE. Invading force is a term reserved for armies and troops invading a country. For instance, we are an invading force in Iraq. If you used the wrong word, then fine, let's move on. I just wasn't about to let you equate them to an invading army or some nonsense.
Second of all, you are a complete moron if you think I don't think crossing the border is illegal and is perfectly okay. I didn't advocate illegal crossing. Not once have I ever done so. I did, however, say that I think it's ridiculous to make people to suffer because our government decided we could use Mexicans for cheap labor and gleefully turned a blind eye to illegal border crossing. Had the government not been so moronic, we would never be having this problem. I have also said that I deporting all of the illegals is the most ludicrous idea ever brought to the table. Make them pay the fines, take the classes, and become hard working Americans.
To Jackalope, I think I finally understand what the hell it is you've been trying to say. Correct me if I am wrong, but you for the most part agree with Agustin and myself, but think until we fix the laws and allow them to become citizens that they are criminals and need to be delt with? Just trying to get what you're saying, so please correct me if I am wrong.
AGuSTiN wrote:They Call Me...Baby Gorilla wrote:which majorly messed up the drive home for alot of people who actually went to work today. .... I think they should all be either fined or jailed for protesting. What gives them the right to? They aren't even American citizens!
People protesting and making it inconvenient for you is a bad thing? Because it puts you out? These people seem to be more American than Americans!! Protesting is a HUMAN right, not an American.
Americans have lost their will to fight for themselves in government, which is why ultimately they will win this debate....because lazy Americans won't get off THEIR ass and hit the street.
Yup, that's right. Bitching in a forum about Cavaliers isn't helping you.
uecavboy wrote:
A: America doesn't NEED these illegals ( i will not call them immigrants). Our economy would not crumble. There are plenty of high school and college students who wouldn't mind doing the jobs they do to save up for college or put themselves through college. $20 an hour to do landscaping on the weekends? Inform me of what college student wouldn't take that job.
Even your examples are weak. The lawn service for my neighborhood is done during the work week. Not weekends. Kids don't mow lawns for cash anymore. I can't even get the neighborhood kids to wash any of my four cars for less than $10 a pop! It takes 15 minutes! Please.
uecavboy wrote:B: @!#$ this illegals. They feel they are owed something (citizenship) when they have done nothing but break the laws.
Really? Because according to 95% of the economist reports on the issue, they say America's economy couldn't of possibly achieved the growth it did during the last 15 years without them. So they did do something besides break laws (which is a ridiculous statement), they contributed to the economy.
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hs=OLw&hl=en&lr=lang_en&safe=off&c2coff=1&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=economic+growth+of+illegal+immigrants&btnG=Search a>
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I: If your upset because we don't treat you fairly, then get out.
They were fine until they were about to be branded felons for mowing lawns, being nannies, picking our fruits and veggies and building our houses.
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They also had people on TV protesting who spoke the most broken ass english i've ever heard.
I've also heard some punk-ass English on BET and CMT.
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All you idiots did today was make yourself look like a bunch of dumb criminals
No, they looked like Americans. Like all these Americans did...
April 30, Coxey's Army. Protest march by unemployed American workers.
March 3, Women's Suffrage march. 5,000 march to support women's voting rights.
August 8, Ku Klux Klan march. 35,000 Ku Klux Klan members march to show support for the KKK.
June 17, Bonus Army. March by World War I veterans seeking advance payment of bonuses from the federal government.
August 28, March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom. March at which Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. gave his I Have a Dream speech. 250,000 march.
April 17, March Against the Vietnam War. Students for a Democratic Society (SDS) held its first anti-Vietnam War protest rally in Washington. 25,000 attend.
October 22, March on the Pentagon. Major march to protest the Vietnam War.
January 15, Jeannette Rankin brigade. Called for withdrawal of troops from Vietnam.
November 15, National Mobilization to End the War. 600,000 demonstrate against the war in Vietnam.
May 9, Kent State/Cambodia Incursion Protest. A week after the Kent State shootings, a 100,000 demonstrators converged on Washington to protest the shootings and Nixon's incursion into Cambodia.
April 24, Vietnam War Out Now rally. 500,000 call for end to Vietnam War.
May 3, May Day Protests 1971. Mass action by Vietnam anti-war militants to shut down the federal government.
October 14, National March on Washington for Lesbian and Gay Rights First march on Washington drew 100,000 gay men and lesbians to Washington, DC to demand equal civil rights for gay men and lesbians.
September 19, Solidarity Day march. AFL-CIO organized march to protest Reagan Administration labor and domestic policies. 260,000 march.
November 27, Washington Anti-Klan protest 1982.
October 11, Second National March on Washington for Lesbian and Gay Rights. The second march on Washington drew 500,000 gay men and women to protest for equal civil rights and to demand government action in the fight against AIDS.
April 25, March on Washington for Lesbian, Gay and Bi Equal Rights and Liberation. Organizers estimated 1,000,000 attended the March, but the National Park Service estimated attendance at 300,000.
October 16, Million Man March.
May 14, Million Mom March. March against gun violence.
April 25, March for Women's Lives.
October 17,Million Worker March.
January 20, Counter-inaugural protests. Demonstrations against George W. Bush's second inauguration.
September 24, September 24, 2005 anti-war protest. Anti-Iraq War protest.
October 15, Millions More Movement. March to commemorate the 10th Anniversary of the <i>Million Man March</i>.
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Fact of the mater is, high school and college students would take those jobs
Illegals do make it harder for the semi-skilled labor to get jobs. It's true. That's why the solution is further improve and streamline the immigration process, and harshly punish those that hire illegals. I would propose we regulate the stream of immigrants based on the unemployment rate.
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There are FAR FAR too many people both in history and present who have BUSTED THEIR ASSES to go through the legal process and come here legally.
That's patently false. Before the Emergency Quota Act of 1921, people were practically just let in..
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_the_United_States#Immigration_1790_to_1849
Between 1850 and 1930 about 5 million Germans immigrated to the United States with a peak in the years between 1881 and 1885, when a million Germans left Germany and settled mostly in the Midwest. Between 1820 and 1930, 3.5 million British (mostly Protestant) and 4.5 million Irish (mostly Catholic) entered America. Before the 1840s most Irish immigrants were Irish Presbyterians or Scotch-Irish. After 1840, the Catholics arrived in large numbers, in part because of the famines of the 1840s. .
Between 1840 and 1930, about 900,000 French Canadians left Quebec to emigrate to the United States and settled mainly in New England. Given the Quebec population at the time, this was a massive exodus. 13.6 million Americans claimed to have French ancestry in the 1980 census. A large proportion of them have ancestors who emigrated from French Canada.
The years 1910 to 1920 were the highpoint of Italian immigration to the United States. Over 2 million Italians immigrated in those years, with a total of 5.3 million immigrating between 1820 and 1980. About a third of them returned to Italy, after working an average of 5 years in the US.
About 1.5 million Swedes and Norwegians immigrated to the United States within this period, due to opportunity in America and poverty and religious oppression in united Sweden-Norway. This accounted for around 20% of the total population of the kingdom at that time. They settled mainly in the Midwest after their arrival in America; Minnesota in particular has a large proportion of people with Swedish and Norwegian ancestry. Danes, however, had comparably low immigration rates due to a better government and economy; most Danish immigrants were Mormon converts who moved to Utah.
Over 2 million Eastern Europeans, mainly Catholics, immigrated during the years of 1880 to 1924. People of Polish ancestry are the largest Eastern European ancestry group in the United States. Immigration of Eastern Orthodox ethnic groups was much lower.
From 1880 to 1924, around 2 million Jews moved to the United States, mostly seeking better opportunity in America and fleeing the pogroms of Eastern Europe. After 1933 Jews who tried to flee Nazi Germany were often denied access to the United States, highlighted by the event of the S.S. St. Louis.
CaliforniaCavalier wrote:
also, we dont have to spend any money to deport 11 million people. simply make a national broadcast that states any illegals in the country after 7 days will be shot.
That'd be dumb. Who has more guns in California, the white people or the brown people?
uecavboy wrote: road people may see it as inhumane in history books but at this point in time 70% wants them gone. And majority rules (at least in america it used to).
Link to to this 70%. I want evidence.
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Yup, that's right. Bitching in a forum about Cavaliers isn't helping you.
03silverecocav (Gabe) wrote:Tristan wrote:'03silverecocav (Gabe) wrote:when multiple insects come into your hosue do you not say my house is being invaded by bugs? or even the common phrase your invading my personal space......invading dosen't have to mean guns blazing going to war taking over, they are invading our country no matter how you look at it but i forgot you also think that illegally crossing a border is not illegal but is perfectly okay so yeah i used the wrong words to describe for you to understand.
Out of curiousity would stealing your car be considered stealing from you or would they just be borrowing it?
First of all, you called them an invading FORCE. Invading force is a term reserved for armies and troops invading a country. For instance, we are an invading force in Iraq. If you used the wrong word, then fine, let's move on. I just wasn't about to let you equate them to an invading army or some nonsense.
Second of all, you are a complete moron if you think I don't think crossing the border is illegal and is perfectly okay. I didn't advocate illegal crossing. Not once have I ever done so. I did, however, say that I think it's ridiculous to make people to suffer because our government decided we could use Mexicans for cheap labor and gleefully turned a blind eye to illegal border crossing. Had the government not been so moronic, we would never be having this problem. I have also said that I deporting all of the illegals is the most ludicrous idea ever brought to the table. Make them pay the fines, take the classes, and become hard working Americans.
To Jackalope, I think I finally understand what the hell it is you've been trying to say. Correct me if I am wrong, but you for the most part agree with Agustin and myself, but think until we fix the laws and allow them to become citizens that they are criminals and need to be delt with? Just trying to get what you're saying, so please correct me if I am wrong.
alright tristen i can compromise with that lol
Chris Fontana wrote:
George Willings wrote:Ah screw the evil illegals. Instead of buying them a bus ticket to get the hell out. It would be much cheaper to by a 38 cent bullet and set amn example to the rest of them potential illegals that come here border hoping and take a job that someone that is a citizen of our country could have had, onnly because some jerk off wants to pay some illegal wet back under the table to avoid taxes. Put a bullet in their freakin' heads and rid ourselves of a problem. NO OUR ECONOMY WOULD NOT SUFFER A BIT, that would mean that there would actually be enough jobs to go around almost. Less bums on the streets, less people on welfare, and so forth. Not to mention who else is f'ing tired of paying for some illegals medical benefits. Make an example of every stickin one of them, matbe then they would stop border hoping.