Oh good greif! GAM we all know you want my "cute ass" as you put it. JK man! LOL! Listen to Rosie O'donell on the VIEW and how almost every topic SHE changes to be about gay's and lesbeins like they form the center of the universe! I have nothing against gay's or lesbiens, in fact I have an extensive colection of lesbien porn . Seriously tho its not all of them just a few and they screw it up for the rest , just like in every other walk of life.

Back to gay animals for a second...Now if say 1 female cat grooms another female cat does that make them lesbiens? Or how about a male cat grooms another male cat are they gay? Or that dog, or wolf that humps everything that moves male or female or rock! Is he gay too? Of corse not! Its part of thier animal behaivior its not gay, its not straight its just how they are! That gay dog, or wolf you take him and put him in with a female in heat and in a few months you have puppies! Doesn't gay mean they'd never do that? Guess they're not really gey then huh? Same with the cats, female in heat = hump time! No matter if he was just licking another male cats nut sac clean! They are ANIMALS and thats how they act. But gay? No I don't think so.




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That's just Rosie O'Donnell being an asshole. She's not representative of the whole.

So if a gay animal pokes a female only if they're in heat, and goes back to homosexuality the rest of the time... what does that make them? The thing is that truly homosexual animals are about the same incidences as humans... about 1-3%.




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GAM (The Kilted One) wrote:That's just Rosie O'Donnell being an asshole. She's not representative of the whole.

So if a gay animal pokes a female only if they're in heat, and goes back to homosexuality the rest of the time... what does that make them? The thing is that truly homosexual animals are about the same incidences as humans... about 1-3%.

I have yet to see any proof of a gay animal beyond some screwed up birds! And they're all gonna be dead soon from the bird flu so the don't count! LOL! seriously tho I haven't seen anything that prooves animals are gay. Grooming isn't gay its grooming. A dog humping a rock or a male dog or your leg doesn't make it gay it makes it a horny dog! And yes GAM if an animal could be gay, NO PROOF, and it nails a female while shes in heat then no its not gay. I don't think gay men go around trying to have sex with women on thier periods or at any other time. See the gay men CHOOSE not to while an animal follows instinct. Instinct is to reproduce not be gay. Sorry man.

And your right about Rosie and those like her.

But sorry I don't see gay dogs anywhere around here, nor wolves. LOL!

But if you find any pics of flambouently (sp) gay wolves I would ask you PLEASE post them .





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Jesus... I was avoiding this thread and peeked in.

Homosexual isn't a choice for a lotta guys. Trust me on this. I know one guy. He's this uberdevout Roman Catholic. He goes to mass, can recite prayer's in latin, the whole Irish thing. Know what he does when it's time to recieve communion? He doesn't go. Because the church says that homosexuality is a sin. This is a guy who agonizes and suffers through his homosexuality every day. Not pretend suffering. Real good old fashioned Roman Catholic guilt.

Could you explain to me why this guy wouldn't just go "I guess I'll go nail some girls and save myself the grief." unless he wasn't attracted to them at all? He and I talked about it one time. He doesn't hate women, he loves women and he's not blind. He can look at someone like Keira Knightley and go "Hubba Hubba", but it's a theoretical attraction. Sort of like how I'd look at Josh Brolin or something and think "Yeah, that's a good looking guy." Anyway, my friend, he doesn't get erections around girls. He never did. He went out with chicks when he was a teen and nothing really ever happened. He wasn't attracted. Then he noticed that guy's often kinda crept up in his sexual fantasies until after a while there weren't any girls left.

Normal. Yeah sure. It's normal to be straight. Abnormal to be gay? According to what? Procreation. I guess if you look at it like that, but why does it bother some people? Then again, some people are really honestly bothered when people like Toyota as opposed to Ford so the world's a crazy place.

My own opinion? From experience, homosexuality isn't really anything. I don't notice it or seek out to notice it. One poster here said that Elle "crammed it down our throats" as if she went into everyone's house and forced them to look and listen. Y'all were the ones watching and being all bothered. She just said "I'm gay", it's not like she was sitting on your head while she did it. YOU were the one who got all uncomfortable and it's a lot more telling of YOUR reaction than it is of her pronouncement.

Besides, it takes a total wuss not to dig lesbians. Two chicks doing it? Come on dude, have a penis why dontcha? As for gay guys, I like em! They help me dress good, they never kick my ass and they're chick magnets WHO DON'T LIKE CHICKS. The hell more do I want in a best buddy?

I know of a specie of frog that, based upon the population density, has it's tadpoles vary the amount of carnivores and hervivores among them--since the egss are laid in a puddle during the monsoons, which soon dries up. The more water, the more herbivores. The less water, the more carivores that are cannibalistic.

It could be construed that homosexuals are a biological check mechanism. As such, they are perfectly natural.


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Using animals to justify human behavior is useless, by that measure you could justify cannibalism. The bottom line is, for the most part, it doesn't @!#$ hurt anyone so STFU. We could go on and on about what causes it or if it's a choice and that would get us nowhere. Why is this still such a big deal to people?


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Homosexuals are freaks of nature......


EXCEPT FOR THE FACT THAT ALMOST EVERY RECORDED SPECIES ON THE PLANET HAS RECORDS OF HOMOSEXUAL INDIVIDUALS.


It is extremely common in the animal world as it is the human world. Until recently it wasn't published much as scientists who saw homosexual animals engage in acts never wrote down what they saw or instead described them as two males "playing". We now know thats not what was going on.

Are you sure the animals were gay or where they just playing? There is a difference. Do they show ANY interest in the opposite sex? If they do, they are not gay. I bet there are more gay humans than animals, percentage wise. However, using animal behavior to justify human behavior is ignorant. PERIOD


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^^ It is not ignorant when the statement being refuted is "Homosexuality is against nature"

To refute the argument, one must turn to... you guessed it... nature.

And there have already been muchas links provided in this thread about homosexual animals. Don't ignore them and then post, please.


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Why not? We are animals, after all.


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AGuSTiN wrote:^^ It is not ignorant when the statement being refuted is "Homosexuality is against nature"

To refute the argument, one must turn to... you guessed it... nature.

And there have already been muchas links provided in this thread about homosexual animals. Don't ignore them and then post, please.

I'm just saying that the whole argument is ignorant, not your post inparticular. As for as the links, I'm sorry, I skipped that whole part of the argument because I think it's meaningless.

[quote=Keeper of the Light™]Why not? We are animals, after all.

Sure we are, but that doesn't mean that you can use their behavior to justify ours. I guess I would be justified to do anything then because some creature has probably done it. OK, time to go kill a family and piss on a cop's leg, let's see how far I get. I can use the "we're just animals" defense.


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I just have to throw this in, I'm suprised no one said " God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve".

God, I'm so siiiiiiiiiiiiick of this...

People who are bothered by homosexuality worry me. They worry me because they always need to monitor what other people are doing and pass judgement on that; and they always secretely believe that everyone should be like them and that everyone who isn't must be some sort of mutation.

Jesus, what kind of ignorant inbred redneck mentality is that?

Homosexuality is wrong? Why? No seriously. Why? You think it matters to me that two guys are giving each other prostate exams? Shee-it, if that's what makes em happy I AM OVERCOME BY JOY FOR THEM. But how is it "wrong"?

Morally?

You know what morality is? It's a set of rules people live their life by. That's all. In Japan it's morally unnaceptable to get an organ transplant. It makes you a ghoul to steal from the dead. It's better to be DEAD than to accept the flesh of others. Abortion though? Not even an issue to discuss. No one cares. Perfectly moral thing to do in Asian society and to argue this position you'll only get confused stares.

What I'm getting at is that YOUR morality isn't universal. It's not set in stone. NOT EVERYONE THINKS LIKE YOU! Stop being so damn bothered by anyone who doesn't parrot whatever you say or think the way you think or act the way you act.

Besides, this whole "I don't like the gays!" thing stems from your own fear of being a bunch of big ol' queers. Because you can't be what you hate right? RIGHT? Anger and Hate always are born out of fear. And don't gimme that "Well I dislike these gentlemen because..." F**K THAT!!!!!! What are you? A politician???????? I've been a writer for 17 years, don't try and play the bait and switch with vocabulary. Don't try and hide behind soft euphemistic language. Grow a set of balls, go out and screw some girls until your blue, REASSURE YOURSELF that you're still a dude. But stop this pissy pussy whining about how you don't like them guys who like guys because maybe if you stopped hanging around gay bars or being hypnotized by Queer Eye For The Straight Guy you might not "see" them as often. Be manly, be a guy, be proud of your heterosexuality, be freakin' confident. Then maybe you wouldn't need to put down homosexuals to make yourself feel better like a bunch of little sissies.

^^^You hit on morality--the core of the issue. Morality is driven by organized religion. Organized religion, IMHO, is a lot like the nazis except not as fun at parties.


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[quote=Keeper of the Light™]^^^You hit on morality--the core of the issue. Morality is driven by organized religion. Organized religion, IMHO, is a lot like the nazis except not as fun at parties.Incorrectness...

Morality is often(but not always) driven by zealots who decide on arbitrary rules that they believe are based on the religion of your choice. Often times these morality rules are not in fact based on the actual religion at all, or at the most a particular (mis)interpretation of that religion.



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Knoxfire wrote:God, I'm so siiiiiiiiiiiiick of this...

People who are bothered by homosexuality worry me. They worry me because they always need to monitor what other people are doing and pass judgement on that; and they always secretely believe that everyone should be like them and that everyone who isn't must be some sort of mutation.

Jesus, what kind of ignorant inbred redneck mentality is that?

Homosexuality is wrong? Why? No seriously. Why? You think it matters to me that two guys are giving each other prostate exams? Shee-it, if that's what makes em happy I AM OVERCOME BY JOY FOR THEM. But how is it "wrong"?

Morally?

You know what morality is? It's a set of rules people live their life by. That's all. In Japan it's morally unnaceptable to get an organ transplant. It makes you a ghoul to steal from the dead. It's better to be DEAD than to accept the flesh of others. Abortion though? Not even an issue to discuss. No one cares. Perfectly moral thing to do in Asian society and to argue this position you'll only get confused stares.

What I'm getting at is that YOUR morality isn't universal. It's not set in stone. NOT EVERYONE THINKS LIKE YOU! Stop being so damn bothered by anyone who doesn't parrot whatever you say or think the way you think or act the way you act.

Besides, this whole "I don't like the gays!" thing stems from your own fear of being a bunch of big ol' queers. Because you can't be what you hate right? RIGHT? Anger and Hate always are born out of fear. And don't gimme that "Well I dislike these gentlemen because..." F**K THAT!!!!!! What are you? A politician???????? I've been a writer for 17 years, don't try and play the bait and switch with vocabulary. Don't try and hide behind soft euphemistic language. Grow a set of balls, go out and screw some girls until your blue, REASSURE YOURSELF that you're still a dude. But stop this pissy pussy whining about how you don't like them guys who like guys because maybe if you stopped hanging around gay bars or being hypnotized by Queer Eye For The Straight Guy you might not "see" them as often. Be manly, be a guy, be proud of your heterosexuality, be freakin' confident. Then maybe you wouldn't need to put down homosexuals to make yourself feel better like a bunch of little sissies.

Took the words right out of my mouth

Todd Nixon wrote:I just have to throw this in, I'm suprised no one said " God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve".

(sigh)fine...

God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. However... Eventually Adam figured out that Eve was a crazy bitch and he dumped that hoe. Reasoning that all women are crazy, Adam then hooked up with Steve.

There... hows that?



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Knoxfire, if you were a woman, I'd have sex with you because of the awesome-ness of your post.



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Transeat In Exemplum: Let this stand as the example.

Bastard: hence: Religion.

This stems from a seated belief that if a religion is in any way organized that somehow zealots who do not follow the core tenets and instead use it as a leverage point to push agenda forward are somehow involved.

In all reality, judaism, islam, christianity, paganism, hinduism, buddhism, et al, have nothing wrong with them, it's once someone turns it from a belif system into a leverage for a powerbase that we get morality from it.

Part of that is finding some core tenet of that belief, misinterpreting it, finding a group of people that are what that misinterpreted tenet are, and claiming that they are "immoral."

Which is what this debate is all about. You take Christianity, which in this particular argument is the dominant religion. You take a few passages out of a storybook that's about 2 millenia old in which forms the core tenets of said religion. You throw everything else good out the window that stems from that book and downplay it's importance. You get someone who likely had work before as a carnie (come one come all, see the greatest show there is) orate about how everything bad in life is because there are people out there not following this misconstrued tenet, which goes against the "morals" of some supernatural enigmatic being that said religion devotes everything to, and convince the masses too blissfully ignorant to see beyond what that "preacher", that this preacher is right and this "abomination" needs to be stopped. And, while those people are publically decrying some act that really, they have no business decrying, those "preachers" then rake in the cash.

Believe you me, if we had done the smart thing and outlawed organized religion, this whole thing wouldn't be an issue.


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For those who say "God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve" this will work.

Are they suggesting that something other than God created life (in gay people)? Or that something or someone had the power to modify God's creation against his will? Think about it you bunch of repressed idiots.

God made it all. You don't have to like it, but it's true. Get over it.

Like Keeper almost said.. Try to see the whole picture. If you are not gay, it's not your issue, let it go. God doesn't need you to defend him (her, it). Things are the way they are for a reason, you don't have to understand, just accept it.

Don't blame organised religion Keeper.. Birds of a feather flock together. If they didn't use religion as an excuse for hate, they'd find something else to sub in. At least with religion artound there is a chance they might actually start to listen. If they are typical, it'll be about 30 seconds before they expire.

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^^^ I like the way you see it...my only hope is that if God exists, then God has enough of a sense of humor to give them their 30 seconds of heaven before the end of time, the rest into hell...

And i wouldn't have a problem if it is something else...I do have a problem with someone telling my my perception of reality is wrong. Hence, why i don't like organized religion--at least to the level it is nowadays.

A group of people worshipping whatever together...fine. Someone saying that they do it better and thus must lead that group...about as wrong as bestial necrophiliacs busting nuts.


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Keeper, your beef isn't with organized religions like you think, rather it is with potentially any organized and rigid belief system - it doesn't necessarily need to be a religion. For example, to say that one is Christian gives only a general idea of their basic belief system, but in fact does not tell alot of what they believe, especially in the specifics. There are still a ton of variables involved. Now say take "devout" Southern Baptists, "Evangelical" Christians, etc - there you have a rigid belief system, which while being roughly based on Christianity, is not representative of Christianity as a whole.

They generally are gonna have most of the basic Christian ideas(not to say that they follow them or keep them too well), but much of it is full of their own ideas which are less than well-based on(or sometimes even contrary too) the basic Christian and/or strictly biblical ideas. That aside, they believe and will assure you that their beliefs are 100% sycronized with true Christianity and/or biblical teaching, yet that is not really the case.

And I'm sure that this basic principle is true of all religions. Also, consider than some (more or less) rigid belief systems are not even remotely religion based - Communism, Socialism, Capitalism, Vegan-ism, Nationalism/Imperialism, Environmentalism(not always so rigid), etc, etc. There are tons more. Any overly devout believers in most any such system have the potential to do great harm, or at least impede progress.



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Bastardking3000 wrote:

Todd Nixon wrote:I just have to throw this in, I'm suprised no one said " God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve".

(sigh)fine...

God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. However... Eventually Adam figured out that Eve was a crazy bitch and he dumped that hoe. Reasoning that all women are crazy, Adam then hooked up with Steve.

There... hows that?

HEHEHE!! I'm impartial, I just like to instigate sometimes!!!!!!

Ok for you GAY ANIMALS are out there types answer a couple questions for me since its so normal. Now first of all you do all know that BIRDS have NO external sexual organs right? They are as close to an "a" sexual animal that there is! So the "gay birds" your touting as proof are no proof at all! They have NO external sexual organs so its not like those two penguins are blowing each other! Sorry. Gay birds? I think NOT! Well that and the one little gay penguin left his little cuddle buddy for (GASP) a little female and they had(GASP'GASP) BABIES! hello normal!

Now as for these other so called gay animals let me ask another question...what happens when a female in heat is placed directly in front of them? Suddenly they're no longer gay and are humping away! That means....NO GAY ANIMALS! If they were truly gay they wouldn't care if a female in heat was introduced they would turn up their nose and go back to their boyfriend. The very fact that a female in season brings them ready to score PROOVES they are not gay.

So to review, birds...no external sexual organs rather the male and female rub on each other belly to belly to fertilize an egg. No external sex organs, how can they be gay? As for higher up the food chain animals IF they were truly gay they wouldn't care if a female in season came to them, but they do and they will mount and hump the living crap out of her!


Like I said before if you choose to be gay or feel you were born that way its fine, I hope you have a good life. But sorry there are no gay animals for the reasons I listed above. Doesn't mean your wrong for being gay it just means gay animals do not exist.





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