Keith Jackson wrote:GAM (The Kilted One) wrote:
BTW, no where in the bible is homosexuality considered a sin (it wasn't even covered in the 10 Commandments)...
Romans.1
[24] Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
[25] Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
[26] For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
[27] And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
There's more, but no point to it, obviously.
Just sayin...
That passage (from what I've read) also contains the connotation that Lust in general is abhorrent to God.
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Paul contrasted Adam as the first man, bringing death to the world through sin, with Jesus Christ as one Man bringing forgiveness to many through God's mercy, with Christ freely taking away many sins and His righteousness making men right with God. (Romans 5:12-19)
If homosexuality isn't a choice, didn't God make them that way?
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yino18 wrote:I believe homosexuality use to be classified as a disorder in pyschology. People say it's not so bad because two people consent to it. Well, two people can also consent to drugs, stealing, hurting others and so on. It seems to be proven that some people are inclined to gay tendencies. I don't think this means we say "well they were born that way what is wrong with you in trying to change them." People are born with many disorders such as MS and we do our best to cure them or help them. I think it is the same with homosexuality. The faithful who believe the Bible and see God showing great hate of homosexuality (the sin not the people) try to carry out His call to help what needs to be helped namely what they consider to be another disorder. Homosexuals and others say they are fine and mind your own business, well many alcoholics say the same without realizing the damage they are doing to themselves and others around them. Homosexual acts becomes another of the million temptations that must be resisted before becoming sin. Science has found methods to treat homosexuals with medication and counseling and many can indeed be helped. Some may not be helped, just as some with other disorders are not "cured" but in this case they still aren't to engage in what is considered to be sin. So they would have to at least take up celebacy and try their best to fight temptations that may often arrive from disorders.
Well, considering that the misses is studying psychology, I can safelyt say this it is no longer thought of as a "disease". Further, the difference in your analogy is that drugs, stealing, and hurting others do just that--hurt other people. Further, they hurt people in a non-consentual way (the debate is still open for some drugs). Now, please, tell me, where in any way homosexuality hurts a non-consenting party in a way that is truly limiting in their liberties? It doesn't. It's not like homosexuals are out there raping children (that's paedophilia), or just out there raping in general--and even so, rape and paedophilia are totaly separate disorders that are as akin to homosexuality as they are to the clergy. Sure, members of both commit such acts, but it's not homose3xuality or the clergy that is the underlying principle of those acts. If it was, you'd be seeing me taking up arms against those in the cleargy, thinking it was a sin and a wholly unclean way to live--but i digress.
The point is, Homosexuality, between two consenting adults, hurts no one else in a depriving liberty method.
Further, I will ask this: How is it that if you consider yourself a servant of god, and faithful, and apparently so buddy-buddy with him that what you say this spectral entity wants is at odds with what every other person claiming to be buddy-buddy with him? Personally, i don't hold that kind of logic as having a strong base to stand on--especially since we're talking about a spectral entity here who has not been proven or disproven to exist.
And again, you're saying *you* consider it a disorder. I could say i believe that following an organized religion is a disorder, but you don't see me recommending ECT or the like to anyone that goes to a church, synagogue, or prays to the east at sunset. It's not even handed. So, in the same token, i find it wholly misguided that anyone could recommend the same for someone that is doing something that they consider "wrong".
Or, if I may get a bit theological on you. You're not God. You're a human. Your piest isn't God. Your priest is a human. No human is God. Thus: Don't judge. That's God's job, not yours.
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GAM (The Kilted One) wrote:That passage (from what I've read) also contains the connotation that Lust in general is abhorrent to God.
Sure, but it doesn't change the obvious other sin.
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Paul contrasted Adam as the first man, bringing death to the world through sin, with Jesus Christ as one Man bringing forgiveness to many through God's mercy, with Christ freely taking away many sins and His righteousness making men right with God. (Romans 5:12-19)
If homosexuality isn't a choice, didn't God make them that way?
The key to understanding sin is understanding whose offspring you really are... the offspring of the first Adam, or the second Adam.
Really? Seems to me there are seven deadly sins: Homosexuality didn't show up on that list, but LUST does... Homosexuality isn't on the 10 Commandments either (not that Moses didn't destroy the tablets either).
Either way, I'm not getting into a chicken and egg talk about the true origins of humans.
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The only cure for homosexuality as i know it would be a constant, projectile diarreha coming from the anus...
But i still don't think that would work.
Still, i will reitierate a point i've tried to make that pertains to this thread (since apparently homosexuality is illegal according to the bible): For those of us who don't believe in the bible, or God, how the hell can your laws apply to us?
That would be like the US trying to arrest a 20 year old in Vancouver, BC for drinking alcohol.
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^^^ THAT, I'd like to see considering the disparity of drinking ages between BC and the US.
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^^^That was my point
. I'd be frightened if they tried...i know Canada would unleash the Kodiak Marmoset.
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We'd also have to turn the oil-taps, water-taps, power-taps, and... well.. after that it'd worth getting some popcorn for.
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Still, i will reitierate a point i've tried to make that pertains to this thread (since apparently homosexuality is illegal according to the bible): For those of us who don't believe in the bible, or God, how the hell can your laws apply to us?
Whose law? Not mine.
I don't believe speed limits are constitutional- they don't apply to me.
Are you saying
your God's laws are ones that everyone should follow?
Well then, I hope you're not eating any porcine products, sea dwelling animals without scales, and fer God's sake put your Kippah on!!
Oh wait, your God isn't the Jewish God? Oh, well then I guess that those LAWS don't apply to you.
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GAM (The Kilted One) wrote:Are you saying your God's laws are ones that everyone should follow?
I'm saying that denial of truth doesn't change it. If you really believe a dirt nap is all there is to look forward to... live it up while ya can.
just wanted to post this pic i took in orlando about a year and a half ago going to a concert thought it was funny and its vaguely related to this post
i dont know if its a choice or not... but in my mind (and i know many disagree but its all good), there isnt really such a thing as being bi... i mean to me someone who is bi is just someone who cant distiguish a friend that you love between a lover... i mean you can love your friends but you dont have to have sex with them...
but however you look at it i have nothing wrong with anybody's preference out there.
on another related note. while i have nothing against gays i always think when i hear some people i know who are gay say they think its right to be gay (and im not saying its necessarrily wrong here) that if everyone was gay we would no longer exist. i mean a key was made to fit in a key hole for a reason... two keys certainly dont unlock anything.
but w.e thats just a tid bit of what goes through my mind when im extremely bored.
Keith: You're asking me to take a leap of faith into something I don't believe in. If you want to make God's laws universal, you have to (a) get every believer to agree on God's laws, and (b) Prove to us heathens that God's something more substantial than the Tooth Fairy.
And a dirt nap iis not what i'm looking forward to...this week i'm thinking my soul will go to a garage in Buffalo.
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Keith Jackson wrote:GAM (The Kilted One) wrote:Are you saying your God's laws are ones that everyone should follow?
I'm saying that denial of truth doesn't change it. If you really believe a dirt nap is all there is to look forward to... live it up while ya can.
If you think you're going to heaven then, you oughtta drop the idea that you get to judge people...
Death is only another (probably final) step in life. What is certain though: no one's come back to complain about it yet.
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paul eccles wrote:i dont know if its a choice or not... but in my mind (and i know many disagree but its all good), there isnt really such a thing as being bi... i mean to me someone who is bi is just someone who cant distiguish a friend that you love between a lover... i mean you can love your friends but you dont have to have sex with them...
but however you look at it i have nothing wrong with anybody's preference out there.
on another related note. while i have nothing against gays i always think when i hear some people i know who are gay say they think its right to be gay (and im not saying its necessarrily wrong here) that if everyone was gay we would no longer exist. i mean a key was made to fit in a key hole for a reason... two keys certainly dont unlock anything.
but w.e thats just a tid bit of what goes through my mind when im extremely bored.
I have to disagree with the bi statement. I think everyone is bi to some degree--some just lean more in one direction than the other. I actually think a lot of the andti-gay and anti-bi is less a natural pressure and more of, for lack of a better term, peer pressure from religious hucksters.
I think we're less different than bonobos and dolphins than we realize, and somewhere along the line someone thought we were better than them, and tried to exaggerate the difference by turning sex from a communal form of acceptance into a religious institution.
but that's just a theory of mine.
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god made adam and eve
not adam and steve
sex was intended for reproduction. and it was pretty much that was until the drug days of the 50's and 60's. then mtv and down hill from there
There were Gay people in Rome.
There were Gay people in Sodom and Gomorrah.
There were Gay people in Judea and elsewhere long before and well after Christ.
If sex was only for procreation, I don't think it'd feel as good as it does... I think it felt good before the 50's/60's and MTV, and your hair would probably curl knowing what Greeks/Mesopotamians/Incas/Hindus/Romans/Chinese/Japanese did back in the day... They made statues in Rome to bulls, and not because they were great to fight.
The 50's and 60's was just the end of sexual repression. MTV was just a continuation of that to push it in your face (well, Madonna did that with her crotch...)
Sex as we know it has been around for at least as long as humans have, and it seems that it was pretty fun all throughout. We're not all THAT much different than monkeys, or dogs... or any other animal that uses intercourse to reproduce, or to sate other urges. We're basically the only ones that can try and rationalize that it's not for anything other than procreation.
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For the record watching Baboons go at it in person was a highlight of this deployment, but yeah its basically true. Human nature has not changed in the time we have been around. we just have social contracts which some choose to live by
GAM (The Kilted One) wrote:Ahh... Yeah, it's not likely some guys would enjoy taking it up the butt enough to switch teams if they're already straight...
Maybe... just maybe... you've never realized just how INSANE women are. If I had a chance to never deal with a woman's crap again and yet be fully satisfied sexually and with a relationship wise - then I'd gladly take that offer. That offer is NOT on the table how ever. Penises are worse than cow poop IMO. Boobs and vagina = good. Penis and ballsack = bad. I can't even watch standard guy-on-girl porn because the moment I see some guy's ass or his frank & beans - my boner is lost. There is no choice there for me - but as it where I'd rather be gay if there was such a thing as a real choice.
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paul eccles wrote:i dont know if its a choice or not... but in my mind (and i know many disagree but its all good), there isnt really such a thing as being bi... i mean to me someone who is bi is just someone who cant distiguish a friend that you love between a lover... i mean you can love your friends but you dont have to have sex with them...
but however you look at it i have nothing wrong with anybody's preference out there.
on another related note. while i have nothing against gays i always think when i hear some people i know who are gay say they think its right to be gay (and im not saying its necessarrily wrong here) that if everyone was gay we would no longer exist. i mean a key was made to fit in a key hole for a reason... two keys certainly dont unlock anything.
but w.e thats just a tid bit of what goes through my mind when im extremely bored.
I have to disagree with the bi statement. I think everyone is bi to some degree--some just lean more in one direction than the other. I actually think a lot of the andti-gay and anti-bi is less a natural pressure and more of, for lack of a better term, peer pressure from religious hucksters.
I have to disagree with your "everyone is bi to some degree" statement. Read my reply from above. I wish you where correct - but I assure you that you are not.
GAM (The Kilted One) wrote:
Are you saying your God's laws are ones that everyone should follow?
Well then, I hope you're not eating any porcine products, sea dwelling animals without scales, and fer God's sake put your Kippah on!!
Oh wait, your God isn't the Jewish God? Oh, well then I guess that those LAWS don't apply to you.
Keith Jackson wrote:GAM (The Kilted One) wrote:Are you saying your God's laws are ones that everyone should follow?
I'm saying that denial of truth doesn't change it. If you really believe a dirt nap is all there is to look forward to... live it up while ya can.
You failed to answer the underlined part. I'm a Christian too FYI. Leviticus is where the whole "homosexuality = abomination" thing comes from. Are we not also to refrain from eating pork? Shaving(also "an abomination" BTW)? Need I go on? So... do you follow the teachings of this book in how you live your life?
Keith Jackson wrote:GAM (The Kilted One) wrote:
BTW, no where in the bible is homosexuality considered a sin (it wasn't even covered in the 10 Commandments)...
Romans.1
[24] Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
[25] Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
[26] For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
[27] And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
There's more, but no point to it, obviously.
Just sayin...
And yet who wrote Romans? God? Nope. Jesus? Nope. Paul? DING DING DING! And Paul was but only a man. I never understood how my fellow Christians can interpret the word of a mere man of God to actually be the "Word of God." There are several examples in the Bible where "men of God" said and did things contrary to what God actually wanted(Take Moses smashing the 10 commandments for example). How can you take Paul's word to be God's own? Just sayin...
I've never heard of this "part throttle" before. Does it just bolt on?
the same way a few people can read a relatively harmless book made...i'm thinking 600 years (i could be off) from the birth a JC and somehow get the idea that it's okay to cut out a woman's clitoris with a broken bottle.
People are @!#$ stupid.
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Council of Nicea (the one that the pagan Roman Emperor Constantine convened to organize the Christian Bible, funny that eh?) was convened around 325ad IIRC. The orthodox was compiled and edited, and rest of the apocrypha were labelled as heresy even though they were written closer the time of Jesus. The Gospels of Matthew, Mark and John were written 50-125 years AFTER the death of Jesus, so there are even internal inconsistencies like those three books not being able to retell the same event (The resurrection) the same way.
As for FGM, that's a cultural thing that was later justified by the Bible and Qur'an, describing women as the weaker vessels. Hell, Some extreme factions of Islam don't hold men responsible for their actions around a woman that is not veilled. Codswallop.
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Still, you add credence to my point. Any time an act, considered by a large faction of the specie as deplorable, is justified because some intangible supposedly says it's a good idea just goes to prove that we're stupid.
FGM is not the only thing, of course. But really, any time some supposedly religious person tries to justify and act with "<insert deity here> says..." or "It is so written", then i know i'm dealing with someone who should be committed.
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OR at least someone that needs to be smacked around a bit with a trout.
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...That's SOOOO mIRC. I'd rather force them into a lapdance of Barbara Walters (shudders at the though). that aught to break their will and never look at a rumpled matress again.
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