# 700
I just wanted to stop in to tell you all that I haven't dropped off the face of the earth. I am honestly exhausted from this debate. I don't want to have anything to do with it. It's cool that other people have popped in here to contribute. They'll learn a lot in here
In fact, they'll probably fill up another 30 pages. Fight until you drop.
Nobody has won, and nobody has lost. It's a matter of who is willing to spend the time to refute the opposing set of ideas. I'm no longer willing. There are better things to do than debate over speculation. Debating for 3 months was fine, but 6 months? A year? How long can this go on? I haven't lost confidence in my point of view as a creationist. I just see how much more fun I can have doing other things.
This thread has been an educational experience. I'm not trying to conclude the thread itself, just my participation in it as a debater. This time I mean it
Everyone should get a taste of this debate, so dig in. I'll laugh when this is still the top thread in the war forum after Christmas, with well over 1,000 posts.
Heck, let's see if we can make this thread last until next May. We could have a 1 year anniversity party
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It was odd when SPITfire started this thread. The timing couldn't have been better. In fact, the timing was amazing. I'll explain. Before he started it, I was studying the issues of creationism vs evolution. This was because of some debating going on in a chat room that I was involved in. So I finished 2 books, listened to a bunch of audio tapes and read a bunch of articles. I saw this war forum, and checked every thread in it's history to see if anyone brought up this issue. No one had. This comes after I've been away from the JBO for 3 months. I didn't want to start a thread on creationism vs. evolution, because I didn't want to be the one to start trouble on here. I figured that it would look better if I popped into someone else's thread guns-a-blazin', because it wouldn't look like I rigged the debate for my own personal satisfaction, if you know what I mean. Knowing that getting involved in such a debate from the beginning was key, I decided to check the war forum every day until someone started a creation vs. evolution debate. 3 days later, SPITfire started it. I couldn't believe what I was seeing. This is why I believe that God set me up for this debate. I just thought I'd share that.
What inspired everyone else to get involved in this? How about a little background information. That would be cool. <br>
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well lancer,
im opinionated. too much for my own good. and like everyone else that comes to the war forum, i believe the little narsisist (my opinion is right and im smarter then the rest of the world) popped out.
one my strengths i feel are biology and i work in epidemiology and firefighting/ems, so i have a good understanding of organisms, i also enjoy medical journels and weird little things like that, because the news never has a clue so i get my current event info elsewhere and i have a peticular intrest in medicine, but i would never want to be a doctor.
as for the rest of you, you seem to be a smart bunch as well
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----the only differance is now i trust even less of what you say.
Well, this HAS been the best thread on the .org, because of the lack of mudslinging, and the info contained within...
let's just hope it's maturity carries over into other threads in this forum. <br>
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The only thing every single person from every single walk of life on earth can truly say
they have in common is that their country is run by a bunch of fargin iceholes.
yeah make this into a book.
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I originally made this thread in "response" to the abortion vs no abortion thread... it seemed like people have strong opinions on that issue so I though that I'd bring up creationism vs evolution, which is also a big issue these days and also an issue most people try and avoid... I was right in both cases... it is very controversial, people have strong opinions, and most people avoid it... LOL
I am glad I started this thread... I have enjoyed reading this, especially since I read it as we went, and not as one big chunk like some of these newbs to the debate
. I have to say I learned some things too about the opposing argument and that not all creationists are brainwashed and niaeve... Lancer, you impressed me with your debating... your knowledge of the issue shows... although I still have my doubts about alot of it...
I am still an evolutionist but I believe God had His part in evolution and the history of our planet, just not the same as the Bible says. I hope this post is still around when something revolutionary happens in this debate
It's been a pleasure guys...
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Well thanks SPITfire. It's nice to know that I'm not making a fool out of myself
It was because of your knowledge and mine that we were able to debate for such a long time. I'm sorry if I was ever too hostile, I'm still growing up. This thread has helped speed up that process (hah). Most involved in this thread have done a fine job. It's time to celebrate for all the intelligence around here
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Actually, lancie-poo (HAHAHAHA), and hahaha have to get credits for that....
both of them took the creationsiststandpoint and argued it very well....
unlike the "you're going to hell" gambit that i always get.... <br>
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The only thing every single person from every single walk of life on earth can truly say
they have in common is that their country is run by a bunch of fargin iceholes.
1st of all you guys and girls have way to much time on your hands to sit here and make 29 pages of posts on one of the most debatable subjects in modern times.
2nd i would get in this and debate it with you but I dont know that much about either topic so i just sit back and read all the posts.
Thats just my 2 cents
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hmmmm.... I am confused, and the Blonde genious that is me, does not easily get confused
oops lol ummm yeah btw more power to everyone in the debate <br>
hmmmm.... I am confused, and the Blonde genious that is me, does not easily get confused
Ummm i havn't read this post... it looks super long. Is it interesting enough to read through??????
Thanx...
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Depends, elite, can you hold two opposing ideas in your head and still maintain the ability to function?
if so, i's day read it in small doses... <br>
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The only thing every single person from every single walk of life on earth can truly say
they have in common is that their country is run by a bunch of fargin iceholes.
Don't let our "creation" fall off the page!
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what happenend nobody has the energy to keep going? damn that sucks I was getting into this thread
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hmmmm.... I am confused, and the Blonde genius that is me, does not easily get confused
I think everything has already been said...in some cases multiple times. <br>
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The only thing every single person from every single walk of life on earth can truly say
they have in common is that their country is run by a bunch of fargin iceholes.
I don't know if this was said since i have only read the past 6 or so pages. But how can the creation of the universe be based on the ideas and thoughts of one single individual? <br>
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in defense of creationalism....
Have you ever seen a committe that did ANYTHING?!!? <br>
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The only thing every single person from every single walk of life on earth can truly say
they have in common is that their country is run by a bunch of fargin iceholes.
ill agree here, comittees are more counter productive then anything else, some "good stuff" can get done, but never in a timely or efficant manner.
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premium baby, hell yeah
This post has got to be the longest ever on this site..... kind of crazy how it's a post on Evolution vs. Creationism. <br>
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I came to it a little late, but to answer Lancer, I first replied because it strikes a chord with me, and with what I had read, (as KOTL said), it has remained an intellectial debate, with none of the "yeah, well you're a moron, so you don't count," "yeah, well you're daddy blows" etc. etc. I felt obliged to at least state my opinion since I feel so strongly towards my God, and to give what little help I could to Hahahaha, who, at the time seemed to be battling basically on his own...since around that time Lancer had just cut out.
I just don't have the time to keep posting on such an intense thread day after day, although I do come and read what has been written (or try too, some of it gets rather lengthy). I applaud everyone who has argued their point, whether it is for or against creationism, because of the thought put into this thing. Good day everyone, God bless, and KEEP IT ALIVE DOG!
yeah.
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now that that's out of the way...Will, you're wrong and your mother molests collies <j/k>
sorry, could not resist.
Something to bring up, though...havent you noticed that the ones most devot in converting you to their fait, and the most hardheaded against anything not their faith are the ones that never follow it? <br>
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The only thing every single person from every single walk of life on earth can truly say
they have in common is that their country is run by a bunch of fargin iceholes.
Badda Bing! You said it.
But of fricken hypocrits, I despize them.
I have a friend that is a priest, and a most interesting man. He joined the army out of highschool, was posted to Cypress as a "Peacekeeper". His job was to sit in a Gun hole on a cliff face and shoot anyone that came around the bend of the road in front and below him. Interesting way to keep the peace, but there has been relative peace in Cypress, so I guess it works. Anyway, When his term was up, he desided to become a minister. Got his BA in phylosophy, and a masters of Theology, while at the same time, he learned to read seven anchient languages. Common "street" Greek, Latin, Arumaic (spelling?), etc.. He then continued on and was educated by the Presbyterian church and became a Minister. He was a Presbyterian minister when I met him. He is married and has four children by now. He was great and I ended up going to church more than Christmas and Easter for the first time in my life. He up and quit, just like that. He told me, that he had a vision of four RC Priests and two Nuns, and he was being ordained, so he went to the Seminary (RC training grounds). He had quite a struggle with the RC church, they certainly did not want a married priest. He had four visits with the Pope over the course of seven years, and finally they ordained him. He says that the cerimony was exactly like his vision and that he told the four priests and two nuns present their names before introductions were made. That's way cool, if you ask me. At first he was given very tough jobs, like palutave (spelling?) care. He since has gained some respect and now has his own parish that is of quite a respectable size. He says about 40 families come everyday to mass, and on Sunday they give 3 masses and the place is full. I am happy for him, he is a great guy.
He is the kind of guy you need to meet if you want a much deeper understanding of God. He hasn't converted me, but he knows I do not like Presbyterianism now that I understand it as an adult (predestiny is
if you ask me). We debate, we shoot the breeze, and sometimes we scorn the "sheeple", which we should not do. The funny thing is, I'm usually the one who reminds us that we should watch what we say. He cracks me up sometimes, and sometimes, I crack him up. That is the kind of relationship I want in a church, but I'm sure that if I join the RC church, it will be spoiled somehow. I like what I have, its fun. Scorn anyone who takes one word of this writing out of context. Priest jokes just aren't funny anymore OK.
I soooo believe in God, I get warm when I think about it, that's cool too.
So there ya go. However God created everything there is, God did it, God knows it, and he wants you to know it too.
Haha, when I was growing up, my crew of juvenile deliquents used to hang at the priests' place. I swear Father Looby kept most of us out of jail... Priest jokes aren't that funny, either. I still see Father Looby and we still shoot the @!#$ about things and debate religions. The best part about this guy is he isn't all beating about people with the bible... He's a person first, a priest second.
What about being a religious franchise distributor? Oh that's just my day job... that line cracks me up everytime.
The last time we all got into a debate over creationism versus evolution we were there for almost four hours... that's a discussion!
I'm glad to see that this thread hasn't died yet... It's nice to see rational thought is alive and well.
Scott
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i have a question..... if we all evolved from on thing.......
why havent we been able to see evolution in the actual process.... i mean, they say we are an anscestor of the ape or chimp...whichever, well they're still here!! so why havent they evolved into more humans??
kinda hard for me to believe... i mean if we all came from the apes...why havent we seen the acutal proces.. "oh well they've all died off...." oh, thats an easy escape.... but seriously... if we came from apes and apes came from whatever and that came from something else...why havent we seen that something else evolve into the whatever and the whatever into the ape and into us!! and also.....why stop evolviing?!! why havent we humans evolved into a different species like we did from the ape??
just a thought....you all seem to have tons of info so i thought id ask! <br>
Godspeed, you misunderstand their argument.
Evolutionist believe that the modern apes that are alive tody and humans share a common ancestor, and that ancestor has died off as a result of the competetion from the more highly evolved apes (us included). They must also believe that some species evolve to a point and stop, otherwise the alligator would have evolved over the last 200 million years, which it hasn't.
I disagree with them, but that argument is a little easier to swallow than man from chimp.
