OK... before I start.... let me explain some things....

This is going to sound ridiculous and extreme and I'm going to get the "your crazy" response from people that don't think about this first. But this Idea truthfully is capable of working... the problem is that our president doesn't have the balls to do it...

First..... confiscate all the oil companies records.... go through them and put together something showing that they are willingly overcharging us and making huge profits from it.

Gather proof that them doing so is hurting America and that they are profiting from it.. Fuel prices are casing Airlines and trucking companies to shut down, is costing every American more money, and through the trickle down effect... is hurting our economy.

Here is where the president comes in.... those acts are all the defining values of treason. The president could force the oil companies to "cut the crap" or they will be charged with treason in which for the penalty is death.

This might sound crazy... but if executed correctly... this would be well within laws, could be done, and would work.

The problem is that the president is to much of a pussy to do it... although he could... with no repercussions if done correctly.

our dependency is what's killing us.

people are moving further and further away for cheaper house prices, better neighborhoods and schools. refineries aren't being built, which means the gas that is refined has to be trucked further and further as civilization spreads. oil is being traded on futures, which, I don't know a lot about the stock market, but this just doesn't sound like the best plan.

yeah, I get pissed when I see the major petroleum companies posting profits of 4 billion dollars a quarter... but just like any company, they're just trying to make a buck.



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“When you come across a big kettle of crazy, it’s best not to stir it.”

Wouldn't do it because he's in bed with them.

But I wouldn't be against an action like that. Hell, i've mentiond that a few people should be charged with treason, but most of them are up in the government itself. Unfortunately, government in it inherent nature proves there's honor among thieves.

I think the simpler way is to offer a huge incentive for the person that produces a biofuel from, say, corn, or hemp that can be run on current gasoline vehicles. Once that's produced, stop paying certain farmers to NOT cultivate their land, but have it cultivated to provide said biomass. Then, one we have the biofuel infrastructure, put a moratorium on all petrochemical use for fuel needs. If the oil companies go belly up, so be it (same thing happened to the Railroad barons when the car exploded). Then, lastly, we flip the bird to OPEC, start courting areas that can cultivate a buttload of biomass for biofuel consumption (Canada and Russia come to mind). We then pull out all interest in the Middle east.

Most likely, both Japan and Europe will be on board with that policy.


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supply and demand / free enterprise

they are a company, we need a product they hae teh product. they can charge any price they want

sucks but thats how it is



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"The Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) is a permanent intergovernmental organization, created at the Baghdad Conference on September 10–14, 1960, by Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and Venezuela. The five Founding Members were later joined by nine other Members: Qatar (1961); Indonesia (1962); Socialist Peoples Libyan Arab Jamahiriya (1962); United Arab Emirates (1967); Algeria (1969); Nigeria (1971); Ecuador (1973) -- suspended its membership from December 1992-October 2007; Angola (2007); and Gabon (1975–1994)." - OPEC

Uh, yeah, I am pretty sure that we can not charge foreign countries with treason. I sited Opec because they are one of the largest oil suppliers and oil is ~$123 a barrel. Back in 2004 oil stayed around 40$ a barrel.

I was watching tv about gas refinering and one of the reasons is overseas where it is being refined. they said that every day like 30% to 40% of the oil is being stolen, tampered with, and dont have enough people over there the guard them. I wish that we could charge them with treason or something but in reality we cant, and it would start a war of course anyways ,which is what we are in now. I think our main two things that we have to do is 1. stop being dependant on oil, by using a alternative fuel source and 2. get the middle eastern country's in check and regulate so they have a better life i want to say. make it soo there own people will fight to make there country better and way way way better than what it is. but i dont know about that cause alot of people over there just straight up resort to violence and just dont think. In my opinion so far I think E85 is the way to go, i am currently taking an alternative fuels class and is really interesting. E85 has 105 octane, which allows you to advance timing equaling better performance, its a very clean renewable fuel, and can be made from almost 50 differant items. some of them we dont even have any use for.

ya know my dad had a pretty good insight on this. he had the idea of getting alot of people (granted not everyone would do it) to quit buying gas from one particular company, say marathon. until either they went outta business or they lowered prices. then when they lowered the price to get business everyone would be going to that station, and all the other companys would follow trying to get business. and if they didnt lower prices and went under, just start on the next company.

its so simple to do to. its not like past attempts where everyone was suppose to not buy gas for a day. all you gotta do is not buy gas from a particular place. 9/10 times theres 3 stations at any given intersection anyways. something def needs to be done though. i understand its gonna go up slightly over the years, but its ridiculous that it shoots up a dollar more a gallon in a year. and like someone mentioned above, they have something we absolutely need and rely on. we're at their mercy

The real solution is to find an alternative source of energy. If you can make diesel from corn or hemp, you can make a more volitle fuel from it mas well--like, say, ethanol.


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FReQ Z (ikE-Zed) wrote:our dependency is what's killing us.

people are moving further and further away for cheaper house prices, better neighborhoods and schools. refineries aren't being built, which means the gas that is refined has to be trucked further and further as civilization spreads. oil is being traded on futures, which, I don't know a lot about the stock market, but this just doesn't sound like the best plan.

yeah, I get pissed when I see the major petroleum companies posting profits of 4 billion dollars a quarter... but just like any company, they're just trying to make a buck.

I agree with what you said. Also without high gas prices people will not cut back on consumption.

Everyone wants to demonize the oil companies although they really are not the problem. Our consumption in sheer nubers is how they wind up with such high profit. Another thing to point out about oil companies is that oil companies do not make all there money from gasoline infact they make about 8 cents per gallon. Keep in mind all the different grades of petroleum and all the other products it is used in. That is where a huge chunk of their profit comes from. Compare that to the 40-60 cents per gallon our state and federal government tax us. The oil companies actually work for that 8 cents per gallon unlike our government that did nothing to make 40-60 cents per gallon.

The solution is three part. Reduce consumption, build refineries, find alternate fuel sources.



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last time I saw the numbers for last years reported profit the oil companies made a whopping 8.6 cents on the dollar. I dont hear anyone bitching about the technology companies making 25 cents on the dollar. the oil companies just move more product so they make a higher profit. keep in mind that with higher profit they also pay higher tax. Cut their profit and you also cut their tax. the less they pay the less there is in the system to pay for all the things that tax money gets used for.


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mitdr774 wrote:last time I saw the numbers for last years reported profit the oil companies made a whopping 8.6 cents on the dollar. I dont hear anyone bitching about the technology companies making 25 cents on the dollar. the oil companies just move more product so they make a higher profit. keep in mind that with higher profit they also pay higher tax. Cut their profit and you also cut their tax. the less they pay the less there is in the system to pay for all the things that tax money gets used for.


Why should a copy of Windows cost me $200????????

Because you buy Windows once and your done, you dont spend $200 everytime you turn your computer on. Microsoft spent billion to delevop, market etc the Windows.

Gas doesnt need advertising, it is nothing new to be researched, developed or anything.


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There is still research and development in gas/oil. Do you not think that the oil companies just magicaly happen upon a new source of crude????? It cost money to find it and figure out how to get it/move it. Fuel changes all the time. Todays fuel is not the same as fuel was 10 years ago.

you missed my point completely. The technology companies make a higher profit on teh dollar than the oil companies do.

mitdr774 wrote:There is still research and development in gas/oil. Do you not think that the oil companies just magicaly happen upon a new source of crude????? It cost money to find it and figure out how to get it/move it. Fuel changes all the time. Todays fuel is not the same as fuel was 10 years ago.

you missed my point completely. The technology companies make a higher profit on teh dollar than the oil companies do.

they REPORTEDLY make less on the dollar
we do not know for sure the actual numbers, it could be they make 7 cents on the dollar AFTER putting the rest of their profits back into research, development or what have you
either way, there is no way we can lower gas prices the way the OP asked

the same goes for the technology companies though. AT the end of the day they still have less to show per dollar, they just move a hell of a lot more product to make up for it.



in recards to the OP's idea, if it came down to that the oil companies (as private companies) could just decide to not sell any product for a week or so. If they arnt selling anything then they will cause even more harm than they supposedly are now, but still be well within their legal rights. They could be giant dicks and shut down a lot of things if they wanted to. At $122/barrel crude cost $2.905 per gallon. For them to refine, transport, and market it but only charge $3.90 after all things are factored in then we are still getting one hell of a deal on fuel.

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[quote=Keeper Of The Light™ (Strazca)]The real solution is to find an alternative source of energy.
Preferably water to that.

Gasoline demand is low. We get our oil from Canada and Mexico mostly, one real problem here is the FTC is not probing the oil companies as Government keeps postponing any sort of investigation into the price gouging: This is what you get when you select oil tycoons into office.


THE POLITICALLY INCORRECT ONE.

Mr.Goodwrench-G.T. wrote: This is what you get when you select oil tycoons into office.

You guys did it... Twice.

Nimrods, the lot of ya.




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GAM (The Kilted One) wrote:

Mr.Goodwrench-G.T. wrote: This is what you get when you select oil tycoons into office.

You guys did it... Twice.

Nimrods, the lot of ya.

Not me.
Also it was 9 people that initially selected our president.


THE POLITICALLY INCORRECT ONE.

I still think it would work.

The handling and sale of gasoline could also be done by the government.... basically, make it so there is know profit to be had.... private companies shouldn't have control over something that the entire country has to have in order to operate.

There is also something else I don't understand.... we have synthetic oil..... why can't we have synthetic gas? If you think about it..... if we started making synthetic gas... we wouldn't need crude oil at all.... plus there wouldn't be anymore of this "price of oil per barrel" crap.

This brings up another serious mess up by the oil companies..... conventional motor oil doesn't severely fluctuate in price..... actually.... it has hardly changed at all in recent history.... so why the hell does gas... it's made from the same oil that the motor oil is..... I'm raising the BS flag..... if crude oil was really so expensive right now..... a quart of conventional10w30 would be $10.

Their lying to us.

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^^^^ ok.... you confused me.

Weebel wrote:^^^^ ok.... you confused me.

HAHAHAHAHAHAA no profit for the government if they controlled the gasoline. If they took control it would cost even more. Sure they might lower the cost but would tax the @!#$ out of us on something else to make up for it plus some.

How to lower gas prices in a nutshell:

1: Boycott ONE MAJOR FUEL SUPPLIER. Preferably the smaller one. Squeeze them as hard as possible. Taking one day to boycott everyone is a joke... ever seen what a bug looks like after it hits your windshield? Well, that's what your one-day boycott will do for oil companies. Taking one of them down in a focused and prolonged boycott will send a none-too-subtle message that they're vulnerable.

2: Leverage Congress and the Senate to authorize Expenditures from the National Strategic Oil Reserve to depress crude oil prices for the short term and throw a wet blanket on the speculators' party because they are driving up the cost of living exponentially with no grounds.

3: Leverage Congress and the Senate to appoint an independent Securities Exchange Commission committee to study fossil fuel energy prices, and to look for evidence of price fixing, gouging and collusion... and the results of the study be forwarded to the Federal Justice Dept in furtherance of prosecution.

4: Minimize your electrical energy usage: Unplug or use a Powerbar with an integrated timer in order to cut down on Phantom load (it's when you turn off a Soft-Off device, most TV/VCR/stereo/coffeemakers/radios actually keep using power even when they're not being used), Unplug any extra refrigerators, if you have a deep-freezer you should first be checking it for air leaks, and second, you should fill it with containers full of water till it's full. Same with your fridge and freezer: The reason you do this is because water absorbs heat a lot more slowly than air, it's a lot more dense and displaces the air (you want to make it harder for warm air to infiltrate, and that way it'll take longer for your fridge's thermostat to trip on... Also keeping your fridge's working parts clean will increase its cooling efficiency). http://www.everykilowattcounts.com/tools-and-tips/

5: Minimize your natural gas usage: Turn the thermostat down on any gas-fired appliances you have, your Furnace shouldn't go above 68 degrees EVER. Your hot-water heater should be at 120 degrees tops, wrap it in a heat efficiency blanket.

6: Stop driving. Yes. I said STOP DRIVING. There is no engine currently available from any car manufacturer in large quantities that is over 30% efficient. You're wasting 70% of the fuel you use to heat. Walk, Bike (Use a motorcycle if you have a long way to drive and have nothing to carry and can't... ), use mass-transit. Guess what, this will also likely require you to move closer to work.

7: Stop buying items that rely heavily on oil, basically anything that uses plastic. I know, Good luck on that.

8: Reduce, Reuse, Recycle, Repair, Refuse. This is not news, just do it, and do it a LOT MORE OFTEN THAN YOU ARE NOW.





Now, if you've tuned me out once I gave you the brutal truth about cars, here's a way to make it easier for you and your wallet:
- Lay off the gas. Use the right-hand lane.
- Accelerate slowly up to the speed of traffic and then slowly decelerate. Use cruise control. Going 2 miles under the limit will save you up to 20% on gas usage.
- Minimize short trips, make one large trip instead of 3-4 smaller ones.
- Carpool.
- Keep your tires inflated to the correct pressure on the Door pillar sticker (use Nitrogen to inflate them)
- Keep your oil changed regularly, and everything lubed properly. If you have a 4x4, run it in 4 wheel High for one trip a month (like one trip to work, but not to and from work).
- Tune the car up every 60,000 miles/100,000 kms.
- Change your air filter, Fuel filter, oil filter and use an Oil Filter Magnet (helps extend the life of the oil) and you may want to use a Fitch Fuel Catalyst.
- Use the A/C only when you're on the highway, otherwise, in city, keep the windows open in Stop and Go, or in traffic that's moving well use the blower on cool, but leave the A/C off. On top of that, Make sure to keep the AC System Charged and maintained (Use the A/C on heat in the winter for a couple days to keep the system lubricated).
- Get heavy and unnecessary junk out of the car. (Yes, this means cut down on the subwoofers and amps, and get your extra crap out of the car as well).



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Very good tips for driving.


My 98 z24 5 speed would only do 26.5 MPG at 75 MPH. It has always been like that. But does 28 MPG in my normal 80% city driving. I cut my highway speed down to 60 MPH and the car returned the favor by providing me with 38 MPG. I was also using a set of very light 14" wheels at the time and some 195 tires.