ok so I had this guy rich do my cam swap(i think his name on j-body is fats or something). I get the car back and it is idling like garbage, and the temp gauge isn't reading. so i'm like wtf. pop the hood immeadiatly see the connector on the temp sensor is broken. so I had to replace it. but there was still an idle problem. not to mention he lost some o rings on the fuel injectors.
so rich re-times it like 3 times. still has the problem more or less. I put it on the scanner, and at an idle it is missfiring 12 times per cylinder per min.
so rich keeps telling me yeah I will get to it. so finally he tells me friday last week. i'm like ok cool. he told me he would call me at 12 in the afternoon. 12 comes and passes. no call. so I call him.
I tell him in the message that if he is going to tell me to go f myself then do it already.
I bring it to king bear in the next county over. they take it apart and find the intake cam to be one tooth off. they correct his f up, and replace the chain tensioner. guess what it runs good now.
but it cost me alot.
250 for him to fck it up
30 for a new coolent sensor
80 for a IAC sensor cause he told me it was prolly that
now another 500 to have someone do it right.
and he never gave me my old cams back.
here is the moral of the moral of the story. dont let backyard mechanics who think they know what their doing touch your car. or your gonna learn the hard way like me.
here is the best part is that he is telling a couple of the local j guys on long island that my car was fcked up in the first place. bs...... and anyone can ask americonium on that one cause I bought the car from him like two weeks before.....
you could have spent that 500 on JBP cams and got some real gains. with the troubles I had it wasn't worth it. then two weeks later the tranny went out. all well.
sorry about your troubles
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$30 for a coolant temp sensor?! They're like $7-8 at Autozone.. Sad to hear you got screwed, glad that the car's running alright though.
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Hey thanks for Bashing me on this site now. The moral of the story should be, listen to what you are being told in the first place and leave when you were asked. You had already been the cause of me almost being kicked out of the place which I had just started to pay rent at. Also you can have your cams back, you let them with me and lord knows I have no use for them. I told you flat out the other cars I had (a jeep and Blacks) were my priority. I told you it could possibly be the IAC and I have one i could swap in, you took it upon yourself to buy one, along with another T/B. Who is that my issue? You were asked to drop off the car and I would call you when it was done. No in stead you had to come around and bother me, and your constant comming back and forth pissed my landlord off to no end. It quite amusing that I can Time Black's car with no problems, whats 4 times now, and you have to annoy the crap outta me and we have this mishap. You wanna bash every post I put up thats fine, but honestly I could careless. You realize you are the first issue this "backyard" Mechanic has had, and that includes building 500hp race motors. Again I could careless about you. It was 100% spite, and you can even ask Jeremy. Back off my business, cause I refuse to do anymore with you.
2002 Z28: Slp coldair Pac, Corsa Catback, 3200 stall
Sorry but your still a newb mechanic, setting the timing is @!#$ easy, lock the timing gears and keep the crank at TDC. ITS NOT F%^$$^#ING HARD people. I did my cam swap in 5 hours and I`m no mechanic..... dont pay someone who isnt a mechanic or atleast dont pay them till the jobs done right. How can you take $250 from him if you messed the job up. Sorry you took it to an amature mechanic guess the expensive lesson is either you learn to do it yourself or pay someone the full price in the first place to avoid this happening again.
hey cold before you blow your mouth off, I am not an amature mechanic. I have dont this motor multiple times and never had an issue. Accidents happen can and do happen. I can the cam swap on this motor in just over 4 hours, I know its not hard. BlackZ2401's car runs awsome, and that wasnt just doin the cams. what was also neglected to mention was I was sick for well over a week and a half and started to relapse again. I am still not even close to 100%, still have breathing issues. So why not back the F off, and mind you business. Or how about get the whole story before shooting your mouth off.
2002 Z28: Slp coldair Pac, Corsa Catback, 3200 stall
gentlemen. can't we all get along?
mistakes happen. it's part of life.
can't we move on?
fats02z28 wrote:hey cold before you blow your mouth off, I am not an amature mechanic. I have dont this motor multiple times and never had an issue. Accidents happen can and do happen. I can the cam swap on this motor in just over 4 hours, I know its not hard. BlackZ2401's car runs awsome, and that wasnt just doin the cams. what was also neglected to mention was I was sick for well over a week and a half and started to relapse again. I am still not even close to 100%, still have breathing issues. So why not back the F off, and mind you business. Or how about get the whole story before shooting your mouth off.
rich you did my car 1 week after my father died, that would put it at the begining of october. regardless of anything i paid you under the pretence that you would rectify everything....... which obviously wasn't the case. oh and how can you call yourself a real mechanic when you...........
1 lost o rings on the injectors,
2 a retainer on another injector that you had to replace
3 then the unability to correctly time my motor
4 broke the coolant sensor
5 had the one of the cams 180 degrees out on the first try
and not only that but after i reviewed it.
6 the car is leaking oil out of the chian cover
7 and the bracket attached to the fuel lines wasn't attached with the bolt long gone.
7 things some of them may have been small but anytime i did timing or a head gasket, or timing belt in the shop I worked in it came out perfect. I was trying to get away from getting my hands dirty because I trusted you.
Anyone that had a mechianic that did all this sh!t wrong would have be standing there over his shoulder to see what was wrong.
you tell me what you are going to do to rectify this...........
I love these posts; you know, the ones that are straight up all about flamin. Why don't you boys go punch each other in the nose, go have a couple beers together and call it a day. I guess you BOTH have learned a lesson...Live in a hole with no electric or phone so you never have to deal with another person for the rest of your life then you will never have a social issue again....bla bla bla
Not for nothing mike but you were being annoying as holy hell.
I cannot count the number of times rich ripped the motor down on my car and never once had he mistimed it. Then again I help him while he worked on my car, not annoyed the holy hell out of him and almost got him kicked out of his shop.
He was doing you a FAVOR and all you did was cause him aggrevation.
Ever since my blue cav (this is 2 cars ago mind you) any motor work he has done to my car.
Weather it was ripping the head down, installed a intake manifold, ripping the motor out and putting it back in... it was all down wihtout one problem (major ones anyway).
Kinda funny how when you got him aggrevated the car got mis-timed.
Oh and off the top of my head... my motor was time 5 times already... not once with a problem.
guys chill out. if he isn't certified (ASE) then you can't really hold anything against him. there's nothing saying he is supposed to be a master. car problems happen in every project. it's life. either way, bashing doesn't belong in the performance forum.
I was a retard, and now I'm permanently banned.
Spotabee Racing (The Fake Z24) wrote:guys chill out. if he isn't certified (ASE) then you can't really hold anything against him. there's nothing saying he is supposed to be a master. car problems happen in every project. it's life. either way, bashing doesn't belong in the performance forum.
Lets them agrue. You cant change that. The LIJ crew is known for it, they are always bitching at somebody, for something, wether it affects them or not.
It should be intersting if any of them go to the Jbody knights meet.
El Fuego ( the unstable ) wrote:Spotabee Racing (The Fake Z24) wrote:guys chill out. if he isn't certified (ASE) then you can't really hold anything against him. there's nothing saying he is supposed to be a master. car problems happen in every project. it's life. either way, bashing doesn't belong in the performance forum.
Lets them agrue. You cant change that. The LIJ crew is known for it, they are always bitching at somebody, for something, wether it affects them or not.
It should be intersting if any of them go to the Jbody knights meet.
Then let them argue over AIM or personally, not in the performance forum
I was a retard, and now I'm permanently banned.
better they argue here , which is where he started his bitch fest
being ASE certifed in something , doesnt mean squat other than you can pass a test
ive know a couple people , including my self that have had the timing 1 tooth off , its extremly easy on the 2.4 , i caught mine before i put the motor in the car , and all i was doing was a water pump
and 9 outta 10 times if someone is watching something will happen , and i hate when people watch over me , ive even walked away from a job at the dealer i worked at cause the guy wouldnt leave , i told the manager i was gonna take a extended @!#$ , and he should tell the guy to leave
and the way your posts have been , i ida told your ass to leave and give me time , or get out and dont come back
The first two are beyond my control, you pop off the rail and it comes out like this.
1.The O ring wasnt lost it tore. I replaced it did I not?
2.The plastic cup on the injector also broke. I replaced the injector with one I had, did I not?
3. Yeah it was my mess up, helps when you cant think straight from being aggrivated.
4. I told ya I would give you the money for it, take a prozac.
5. The Cam wasnt accually 180 out, relax.
6. I would like to know where? but thats what happens when you dont change all the gaskets.
7. You want the little bolt, no probs. It has no major bearing on the car. It got swept up when I was cleaning up, I'll buy ya a bolt.
Like I said I could really give a damn, draggin it out on here brings no bearing on my life. I know what I can build and I know what I am capable of when workin on cars. Every Mechanic likes to work at their own pace and not have to deal with crap. Funny how everything was goin smooth and super fast, then you showed up after a bottle of wine, gas'n me out, and I started to have problems. Hmm I wonder. There is no reason that a public forum should be subject to your annoyance, let alone in the performance threads. I am still however surprized no one started yellin some Springer chants.
2002 Z28: Slp coldair Pac, Corsa Catback, 3200 stall
fats02z28 wrote:I am still however surprized no one started yellin some Springer chants.
cause no one was dressed up in a dress
LOL
why didnt u just do the cams urself? would have saved u a lot of trouble and time bc u would have made this post. i did my cams with my car on the street in the middle of january. putting cams in is not difficult as long as you are TDC, those magical 3 letters do wonders. i put stage 2 cams in my car and put stock ones back in and i had NO prior experience with installing cams.
MY 2003 SUNFIRE 15.6@86mph
"A N/A ecotec is not gonna give Honda's and Mitsu's that much of a run for their
money unless their blown or bottle fed.GM is still smokin crack!"
~1QWKZ24
www.streetracing.org, 08/2001
damn yankees.
"IF YOU PERSIST IN DOING WHAT YOU HAVE ALWAYS DONE .....
EXPECT RESULTS NO DIFFERENT FROM WHAT YOU HAVE ALREADY ACHIEVED"
because I am still in the middle of moving my father company, and I really just didn't feel like it.
rich if the car was running in the first place i wouldn't have hung around. if you did it right the first time let alone the 3-4-5th time it would be all said and done. jeremy sorry you feel that way
i wouldn't have brought it here if you had just answered my phone calls to let me know wtf was going on. but instead you had to be the crappy bussiness man and ignore me when you know something you did @!#$ up my vehicle...... very responsible....... when you fck up peoples cars rich, they are gonna b!tch at you....... as far as street word goes these kinda things hurt.......... cause it just goes to show how a sh!tty bussiness man works........ "take your money, and go Fck urself"
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should have done them urself
MY 2003 SUNFIRE 15.6@86mph
"A N/A ecotec is not gonna give Honda's and Mitsu's that much of a run for their
money unless their blown or bottle fed.GM is still smokin crack!"
~1QWKZ24
www.streetracing.org, 08/2001
well honestly fats has been working on blacks car for a while so i would think he has tons of experience with the 2.4 for. Hell he ripped the whole motor apart and put it back together right with pics. Sinrocker was probly being a pain in the ass and hovering thats why the thing was a tooth off. Happened on my car when i had a 2.4 motor its really easy to do it.
