I have a Cavalier and my friend has a talon and we are always fighting over which is better.
I am sure my Z24 will beat him. My friend with a mustang raced him and killed him, but my cavalier will take the mustang so by logic I can beat the talon.
He is always saying that they are running 30 psi and asking why we don't run that high of boost.
When they are built are they comparable? There sure aren't stock for stock.
If I am not in the right section can someone point me in the right direction.
Sorry if this has been talked about before I don't see anything on the search.
Ask him how far can his crank can walk and how his trans is holding up
15.2@89mph 2.171 60ft. 9.830 1/8 R.I.P. "LULU"
It depends on whats in the Talon. Is it a TSi or ESi? A Z24 should beat a DSM with a A20A, but if the guys running a 4G63, good luck with that one buddy.
http://www.cardomain.com/id/Gerkn
It is just a base model. I guess it is an esi. There isnt much too it. I just wish that mine was a stick, thats the only thing I wish my car had that his does have.
There is no way it will run with a 4g63 now.
My main question was, is there much of a chance of a LD9 or a L61 being build and running with a built 4G63.
1st generation Talons, Eclipes, and I believe some Lazers with the 6 bolt 4G63t engines are solid. The 7-bolt 2nd gens have serious issues with crank walk. The reason you don't see many cavaliers in the high horsepower ranges comonly seen by other engines, is because
a) the LD9 and OHV engines were never meant to be used in performance applications and therefore don't have the proper engineering for a race engine (i.e. oil squirters, 4-bolt mains, windage tray/crank scraper, forged internals, etc.)
b) lack of support by aftermarket companies = lack of interest by serious tuners
c) @!#$ty stock computer = mediocre gains from bolt-on aftermarket parts = lack of support by aftermarket companies = lack of support by serious tuners
d) the cavalier chassis itself is pretty poorly designed as well, leading to a significant amount of body roll in stock form.
The good part about the LD9 is that it doesn't need 25+ psi just to make 500+ whp. A properly built LD9 may not be able to safely rev as high as some of the Japanese engines with its long stroke/longer rod angle, but it can certainly make more power than you can possibly use on the street with a FWD car.
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"Youth in Asia"...I don't see anything wrong with that.
Thats not giving me to much hope.
I may have to admit I am wrong to my friend.
^^^^ If he doesn't have a 1st gen 4g63t then he has nothing to be prowd of. And if he does, tell him to flip open his "Nopi" magazine and show him how the ECOTEC dominates the FWD circuit...then hit him with the magazine and burn it.
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"Youth in Asia"...I don't see anything wrong with that.
He knows the one he has now is junk. Didnt know it when he first got it though, he was talking alot of @!#$. About 1/4 the way down the quarter is when he learned he didnt have anything. I remember him saying and I quote "I know I can take your mustang man, I know it." He clams he had a bad launch but the mustang tore it up. As for the mustang cant touch the Z, Well it might now. He got himself a coldair and flowmasters on the mustang. He might be able to get me now. Only have a wai. Talon boy and me seem to think the cavy might still get the mustang.
Sorry to get off topic.
If its a esi, 2.0 liter non turbo, tell him to go kick himself in the balls!!!!!!!!! Its basically the same motor that dodge neons have!!!!!!!!!!! Tell him you will race him a quarter mile, and you would have time to get out of your car and piss all over his as it passes you, lol.
my buddy has a 90 AWD TSI and we race all the time. he claims he has 8grand put into his engine (but nothing to show for it) and it needs a tune very badly. as it sits right this moment i walk him with my stock GT 5speed. his car is @!#$ and won't let him rev over 4500rpm for some reason. i keep telling to to stop pussy footing around and get the thing tuned so it's worth something. he doesn't listen, and looses every race we've ever had. I'm jeasous of his Eprom even though he doesn't know how to use it.
Gerkin-
It is "420A", not A20A.
Silver Streak-
DSM stands for "Diamond Star Motors". Everything Mitsubishi is a DSM.
"If you not broke your dsm is."
your car will run longer thats for sure
1989 Turbo Trans Am #82, 2007 Cobalt SS G85
i have a 90 laser with a 4g63 and a 91 turbo lsd tranny in it with a 6 puck. and that thing isnt even turbo yet and it keeps up with my eco just fine, they are pretty solid cars also mine is gutted down to 2 seats and a gauge cluster whole int. is just metal
420a isn't a bad engine either.
Both engines are superior to yours, 420a and 4g63. The bottom line is, your are both stupid high school kids with your first cars. Just be glad that you both are driving slow cars.
Silver Streak wrote:To consider it a DSM I was under the assumption it had to be the the elite of the Eclipse, Talon, 3000, And Galant,
IE, GST, GSX, TSI, Vr4
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nope any car that came out of one of those plants are considred dsm's and sadly those first gens tsi's run in the low 15's but its not hard to make it faster
This is probably a personal case, and I know I can't say much because I AM driving a Cavalier, but my sister and her boyfriend both owned Eclipses, and they were both falling apart.
4g63? The shop here where my car lives in has a 700hp Talon.
We also used to have a 420a powered Eclipse that ran a few low 11's.
Check out one of the recent projects that came out of the shop.
http://trevtec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=185
And when you say DSM here's what comes to mind in my head as it actually makes sense.
Eagle Talon, Plymouth Laser, and Mitsubishi Eclipse.
-Trailblazer SS - not so custom 6.0L - custom intake - custom tune
- (1) 2.4L on an engine stand (1) blown trans (2) good quad trans (1) eco trans = party
I kinda knew that the 4G63 was better but I didnt know that the 420A was.
First of all, if he was really boosting 30psi, his car would piss all over yours. Second of all, he probably can't afford the mods needed to run 30 psi (forged pistons+rods, headwork+cams, an expensive turbo setup, and then the fueling/tuning needed to support 30 psi) Third of all, DSM does stand for Diamond Star Motors...Diamond for Mitsubishi, Star for Chrysler (Plymouth, Eagle). It was a joint venture, just like the Starion/Conquest and the Mirage/Colt. Lastly, I think this may be in the wrong forum.
It could also be a non-turbo 4G63.
At either rate, it almost sounds like the kid is just trying to talk @!#$ on j-bodies in general. From what I've seen from personal experience DSM guys don't often talk @!#$ to other's. I've even seen where they talked about the Z24 siting examples of how well off their car would be without the turbo, or how the 2.4 gets pretty good results from a turbo enough to run with a few of the DSM guys. But rarely they just go out and start blabbing about someone elses car. I know a few of them do for sure, but for the most part there are guys that don't because they know that they'll emerge victorious against almost anything they run across on the street.
So if the kid is running his mouth, he either has a non-turbo car. Or a turbo car that doesn't run like it should, and is slow. Or, maybe he's just not a good driver. Seriously, any mustang that you're beating with your Z, he should demolish with a Turbo DSM.
the 420As are a pretty good motor, especially with the DOHC. the ones in the Neons, for the most part are SOHC motors, but the DOHC head can be fitted to the block. the difference is kind of like the differences between the 2.3 SOHC and the DOHC quads... its an easy 30 - 40 HP difference.
as for the 420A's in the talons, im not sure if they are DOHC or not, but i do know the DOHC came in the Neon R/T's and Expresso's, pretty much all the ones with the bulged "turbo" hood.
1997 RedR - ZedR
gareth vasile wrote:First of all, if he was really boosting 30psi
I sure hope a car running 30 psi could take a mostly stock cavalier.
