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can the 2200 reach 300 horses.
Monday, February 25, 2008 8:08 AM
I have a 2000 cavalier 5 speed with the 2200. I am going to build the motor and add a t3/t4 turbo running between 15 and 20 psi. will it reach 300 horses. And can you give me some links to good performance sites for my motor.

Re: can the 2200 reach 300 horses.
Monday, February 25, 2008 8:43 AM
Yes it can.



Re: can the 2200 reach 300 horses.
Monday, February 25, 2008 8:47 AM
Something I've found is that performance sites suck (unless their company sites such as BBK). What exactly do you wish to find?


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Re: can the 2200 reach 300 horses.
Monday, February 25, 2008 10:30 AM
I need a cam, rod, pistons, and a crank and anything else that will help. And also a good place to get injectors that will work with the turbo.
Re: can the 2200 reach 300 horses.
Monday, February 25, 2008 10:39 AM
I know of an easier way it can reach 300 horses...

drive out to a ranch in texas?




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Re: can the 2200 reach 300 horses.
Monday, February 25, 2008 12:39 PM
As far as I know there are no after market cranks for the 2200. But you don't really need one. Just find a good machine shop who knows what they are doing to work on your crank. Karo sells rods and pistons at carcustoms.net.




Re: can the 2200 reach 300 horses.
Monday, February 25, 2008 1:08 PM
I'm pretty sure the stock crank holds 400 hp. I'm working on the ln2 motor as well. All bolt-ons as of right now with nitrous, keeping up to stock srt-4's


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Re: can the 2200 reach 300 horses.
Monday, February 25, 2008 2:07 PM
Nice to see a few 2200s getting some real work. My old 99 sunfire had a 2200...was a great little motor.


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Re: can the 2200 reach 300 horses.
Monday, February 25, 2008 2:23 PM
There are alot of parts that you can use to get there. I would recommend doing some reserch first. If your goal is 300 to the wheels that shouldnt be a problem at all. 246 on stock internals has been done if i remember correctly. Just keep in mind that our 2200 motors dont have after market valve springs to go with the lift that you might get out of a regrind so you will have to modify the head....look for some posts by madjack, slowoelj, and ohv notec for some more info on the valvetrain side of the pushrod motor.







Re: can the 2200 reach 300 horses.
Monday, February 25, 2008 6:10 PM
1) search
2) search
3) search
4) search
5) yes.
JUCNBST wrote:246 on stock internals has been done if i remember correctly.
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stock crank could be good to 500+
stock rods should be good to 400+
stock pistons are almost definately good to 300+

It's all about the TUNING




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Re: can the 2200 reach 300 horses.
Monday, February 25, 2008 6:17 PM
OHV notec wrote:1) search
2) search
3) search
4) search
5) yes.
JUCNBST wrote:246 on stock internals has been done if i remember correctly.
more

stock crank could be good to 500+
stock rods should be good to 400+
stock pistons are almost definately good to 300+

It's all about the TUNING
You are correct.. And so far the magic number is 287whp on stock bottom end....



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Re: can the 2200 reach 300 horses.
Monday, February 25, 2008 6:24 PM
sry to thread track but what valve springs should you use if ur fully building and turboing this engine? like ive read ls1 springs but should u use the stock ls1 springs or aftermarket springs?
Re: can the 2200 reach 300 horses.
Monday, February 25, 2008 6:54 PM
for the 98+ 2.2 ohv, the ls6 valve springs might not fit. For the 95-97, they fit great. The 98+ is in the dark when it comes to valve springs I think. If you want to try it, you can, but be prepared to ruin a head in the process.
Re: can the 2200 reach 300 horses.
Monday, February 25, 2008 7:03 PM
well damn, i need to find springs that will fit even with machine work for the 98+ 2200
Re: can the 2200 reach 300 horses.
Monday, February 25, 2008 7:15 PM
partiot makes a head for the 2200 with valve train and oversized valves.

horsepower is the force that determines at what speed you hit the wall, torque is the force that determines how far you take the wall with you after you hit it.
Re: can the 2200 reach 300 horses.
Monday, February 25, 2008 7:20 PM
yea but dont they use stock valve springs
Re: can the 2200 reach 300 horses.
Monday, February 25, 2008 7:34 PM
isnt that a good thing? they'd be stronger for turbo applicatons right?

horsepower is the force that determines at what speed you hit the wall, torque is the force that determines how far you take the wall with you after you hit it.
Re: can the 2200 reach 300 horses.
Monday, February 25, 2008 8:06 PM
This is untested, but I think you should be able to machine the spring pockets down 0.100" and use a set of SBC springs(1.265" OD, 1.70" installed height, upto 0.550" lift) with a set of 10* locks and retainers. I have a set of K-Motion K-700 valve springs, K7500 retainers and a set of Manley 13171-8 locks. To use these you will need custom valves with a stem +.030" above the lock bead groove, the machined spring pockets, either stock or Crane Gold Race Rocker Arms (self-aligning),( in either 1.5 or 1.6 : 1 ratio, depending on cam (re)grind) and custom length (chromemoly) push rods. All the parts are relatively easy to find and readily available except for the valves and pushrods, even they can be found if you know the right parts manufacturers and order them. This valve train with the LT1/LN2 (or LS1/LN2) hybrid lifters should net a solid high lift valve train.

These parts were to be used on my '96 LN2, but found it to be easier and cheaper to do the LSx spring swap on these older motors. I did install this set up on one cylinder, but I found the valve stems needed to be 0.030" longer to clearance the locks/retainers and the self-aligning rocker arm tips.

This is an untested set-up, but should work alright.

Anyone (with an extra head) want to be the Guinea pig?






Re: can the 2200 reach 300 horses.
Monday, February 25, 2008 8:14 PM
MadJack wrote:Anyone (with an extra head) want to be the Guinea pig?
I'm still trying to get around to the .200" off the 2200 seats...




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Re: can the 2200 reach 300 horses.
Tuesday, February 26, 2008 12:35 AM
Mad jack do you got part numbers for the springs locks and retainers? thanks in advance.
Re: can the 2200 reach 300 horses.
Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:16 AM
MadJack wrote:This is untested, but I think you should be able to machine the spring pockets down 0.100" and use a set of SBC springs(1.265" OD, 1.70" installed height, upto 0.550" lift) with a set of 10* locks and retainers. I have a set of K-Motion K-700 valve springs, K7500 retainers and a set of Manley 13171-8 locks. To use these you will need custom valves with a stem +.030" above the lock bead groove, the machined spring pockets, either stock or Crane Gold Race Rocker Arms (self-aligning),( in either 1.5 or 1.6 : 1 ratio, depending on cam (re)grind) and custom length (chromemoly) push rods. All the parts are relatively easy to find and readily available except for the valves and pushrods, even they can be found if you know the right parts manufacturers and order them. This valve train with the LT1/LN2 (or LS1/LN2) hybrid lifters should net a solid high lift valve train.

These parts were to be used on my '96 LN2, but found it to be easier and cheaper to do the LSx spring swap on these older motors. I did install this set up on one cylinder, but I found the valve stems needed to be 0.030" longer to clearance the locks/retainers and the self-aligning rocker arm tips.

This is an untested set-up, but should work alright.

Anyone (with an extra head) want to be the Guinea pig?


So that's using the standard LN2 valves/SI stainless-type valves? That actually sort of reminds me of the problem PJ ran into with his rockers and the JBP retainers, he really just needed a little more valve stem over the grove for the rocker tip to contact. Well, shouldn't be too hard (or too expensive) to get SI to make a few sets .030" taller... All of the other components you have I'm assuming are regularly available/still in production?




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Re: can the 2200 reach 300 horses.
Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:24 AM
SO_harcore:
MadJack wrote: ...K-Motion K-700 valve springs, K-7500 retainers and a set of Manley 13171-8 locks.


OHV notec wrote:I'm still trying to get around to the .200" off the 2200 seats...


With this set-up you only need to take .100" off the seats, a little more reasonable amount. .200"might not break through to the water jacket, but I think that might be too close and crack under the spring pressure. (I could be wrong on this though.)






Re: can the 2200 reach 300 horses.
Tuesday, February 26, 2008 4:25 AM
I really need to find some injectors. I found some from venom but i don't know if they will work.
Re: can the 2200 reach 300 horses.
Tuesday, February 26, 2008 6:22 AM
Theres this phrase called pissing in the wind, it applies here, your wasting your time with that motor



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Re: can the 2200 reach 300 horses.
Tuesday, February 26, 2008 7:11 AM
Rodimus Prime wrote:Theres this phrase called pissing in the wind, it applies here, your wasting your time with that motor
I don't think that is what applies here.... It applied with all the money/time you spent with RSM .... I think that your old setup could have been killer though if it was tuned properly.....



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