Well im trying to help my friend get an intake for his 04 truck. but 04 is the first year of his truck that has the maf attached to the air box itself. I was just wondring if i could find one on ebay and be able to plug it in. I also thought about cutting his off the air box its lik 3'' fromt the air box. and buying an 01 intake kit and clamping the maf sensor on the new intake. any advice?
Yes the sensor thats is built into his airbox is universal.... they only made one mass air flow seson ever and its universal
I hate that damn sensor.. Makes CAI's cost twice as much for my car. :/
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just unplug it, they don't do anything
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Ian Brown Music wrote:just unplug it, they don't do anything
Ignore that statement. You can't just unplug the mass air sensor and expect the engine to like it. They're on the engine for a reason. Unplugging the sensor will make the ECU very unhappy with you because it won't know how much air is getting into the motor.
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when i unplugged it, it didnt even run. so if i buy any maf the plug will line up n stuff?
dude your retarded.... its sarcasm.... no you can't use just use any seson you want, second of all I've never ever seen a MAF that attaches toi the air box and does not come apart... and 3rd if your using a K&N style filter DO NOT over oil it cause the oil will get on the hot wire on burn out the mass air flow sensor real quick.
Johnathan (Der Schlafwanderer) wrote:Ian Brown Music wrote:just unplug it, they don't do anything
Ignore that statement. You can't just unplug the mass air sensor and expect the engine to like it. They're on the engine for a reason. Unplugging the sensor will make the ECU very unhappy with you because it won't know how much air is getting into the motor.
jeez, and here i am driving around with the MAF on my cavy unplugged. maybe that's why it's so slow (or maybe it's because of the parachute i have tied to the back of it).
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dude your retarded.... its sarcasm.... no you can't use just use any seson you want, second of all I've never ever seen a MAF that attaches toi the air box and does not come apart... and 3rd if your using a K&N style filter DO NOT over oil it cause the oil will get on the hot wire on burn out the mass air flow sensor real quick.
On the Ion's, and Cobalts too I presume, the maf sensor is plugged right into the air box itself. It sucks.
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jeez, and here i am driving around with the MAF on my cavy unplugged. maybe that's why it's so slow (or maybe it's because of the parachute i have tied to the back of it).
Jbody's don't have a MAF sensor. You're referring to the IAT sensor. MAF is way more complex, and the engine actually cares quite a bit if you unplug it.
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Ian Brown Music wrote:Johnathan (Der Schlafwanderer) wrote:Ian Brown Music wrote:just unplug it, they don't do anything
Ignore that statement. You can't just unplug the mass air sensor and expect the engine to like it. They're on the engine for a reason. Unplugging the sensor will make the ECU very unhappy with you because it won't know how much air is getting into the motor.
jeez, and here i am driving around with the MAF on my cavy unplugged. maybe that's why it's so slow (or maybe it's because of the parachute i have tied to the back of it).
You can't be serious. I don't know if you're being sarcastic or what, but I'll pretend otherwise for a second. And with that, I now provide my response: No, no, no. You're not driving your Cavalier around with the MAF sensor unplugged because it didn't have one to begin with. It has an IAT sensor, and works completely differently.
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So much stupidity in this thread that it makes my head hurt.....
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Picture of the engine bay in my 05 Ion.
You can see the MAF sensor plug on the left, into the airbox. The plug is pretty big. 03 and 04 Ion's didn't have the sensor. The intakes for those years are much more avaible, and cost a lot cheaper.
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dude your retarded.... its sarcasm.... no you can't use just use any seson you want, second of all I've never ever seen a MAF that attaches toi the air box and does not come apart... and 3rd if your using a K&N style filter DO NOT over oil it cause the oil will get on the hot wire on burn out the mass air flow sensor real quick.
On the Ion's, and Cobalts too I presume, the maf sensor is plugged right into the air box itself. It sucks.
just like most of the car thats have a mass air flow sensor.... and on every single one of them it comes APART....
04 b300 truck its attached to the box just like that one
damn 03 wasnt
are you absolutely posotive there is no way they come apart..... if you look at the pic above right above the hose clamp it looks liek a screw going next to the MAF plug... it looks liek the whole guts of the sensor comes out that way..... I've never heard or seen of a MAF not being seperate... car companies are cheap adn if you think about it eveytime they have to warranty one they are paying for the air box and the sensor.... thats liek replaceing an entire catback exhaust cause the 02 sensor is bad...
what darkstars is trying to say is that on the plug thats on the tube is the actual MAF element... which should have 2-3, sometimes 4 screws holding it into the tube. If you remove these screws and pull out the element, you can put it into another tube (MAKE SURE THE INTERNAL DIAMETER IS THE SAME!!!! If you don't , it will run lean!) and install it that way.
Also, you can simply cut the tube where it goes to the box top.
However, in the end, you don't need to do any of this. If your buddy doesn't mind the lack of bling, just open the airbox, remove both halves from the truck. Take a dremel and a small power sander and smooth out the entire inside of the box, so there are no hard edges. Run some 3-4 inch tubing from the cold air entrance of the box, down to the fenderwell area, or even up to a hole in the grill or fascia somewhere. Reinstall everything back in with the stock paper filter, or a high flow panel filter meant for the stock box, and you will have an intake that probably makes more power and cost a lot less than an aftermarket cold air intake. Make sure to clean any dust our of the box thoroughly before reinstallation.
This was tested on a VW by logging MAF grams per second, and was found to flow 6 g/sec more than a traditional tubular cold air intake that puts the filter down in the fenderwell. Here's the post with pics so that you can see what i'm talking about:
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=666711 Just be very careful using oiled filters on a MAF car, because too much oil can foul the sensor.
There are also many mods to stock airboxes that have been done with varying success in other cars... things like taking a holesaw to the half of the box that's before the filter, also called "swisscheesing the airbox".
For the amount of hp/tq a cold air intake would get you, vs. the money you'd spend on one, and the difficulty in making it work on that particular truck, you'd be much better modding the stock airbox.
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, my head hurts. no, MAF sensors arent universal. yes, there should be a place to unscrew it and take it out. it's probably just a little stick that pokes down into the airflow with a hole in the end that has some wires runnin across. and if you unplug it and try to drive it, i'll kick you. right in the shin. we'd probably be able to help if we knew what kind of a truck it was. "'04" narrows it down to... well, lots of trucks. what kind of truck? what trim? ect. would probably help.
ps, i think it's funny that the "confused" smiley's type thingy is "wtf".
Andy
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i already said b2300 i dont even remember who makes it..lol mazda i think? anyway it has a 2.3L in it basically the same as a ranger ie/ sunfire/cavalier..
im almost 100% positive its on the air box because i was gonna cut it from the box with a dremal and attach it to an aftermarker pipe
Does it really matter, your not going to get a performance gain just putting a filter on the end?
still looks like the thing should come out
Andy
it's not how fast you go, it's how you get there that counts.
ZZP XP cam, 1.6 rockers, 105# springs, speedbuilt FWI, 3.3" modular pulley, TOG headers,
3" exhaust, flomatched injectors
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maybe if he has a 4000 pound truck with a 4 cyl he shouldnt worry about making it faster.
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he doesnt really care he just got exhaust u cant knock the kid for trying..
it clearly doesnt come apart.. i didnt want to just put a filter either the WHOLE intake and put the maf sensor on it somehow u guys are being completly ignorant but thats nothing new.
anyway if anyone has any suggestions how i can keep the maf with an INTAKE and FILTER.. it would be much apperciated im thinking once again i can dreamal it off close to the air box and clamp it to th filter and the new pipe
The MAF will come out. There's a screw holding it in right beside the plug for it. I know mine will come out. It's just really hard finding an intake with the MAF hole for it, and the ones I do find cost around 500$ Can. Which is stupid to pay for HP gains of what, 3hp?
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