Well my buddy gave me a deal. He's gonna trade me a 96' teg with a d15
for my beater car and 200 dollars. I think I might turbo the d15 and the d15 has a built top end with 60,000 on the bottom end. The body on the car is in rough shape(needs a new fender and repaint the rear bumper) thats why I think it would be a good sleeper. What do you all think?
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i think to be considered a sleeper it needs to be fast.
Yeah man sounds like it has potential. I had a pretty decent sleeper. So much satisfactio in beating new sports cars with a car that looks like a pile.
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I thought either put a b18 or k20 engine in or put a turbo on the d15
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I thought all 94+ Integra's came with B18 motors?
-Brandon
they did, my friend swaped it with his hatch
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a d15 integra.... isn't that the exact opposite of a sleeper? Even if you turbo it, you're only making up for the power that you lost in the swap, maybe getting a little extra torque.
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stock base integra comes with a 140hp b18 dohc 1.8 a d15 is the dx model thats a 1.5 sohc that makes 108 hp.. and if it was the jdm vtec d15 it makes 127hp... that engine in a heavy integra... what a waste
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People boost the D motor a lot more often cause it has lower compression and reacts to boost better. I know a few people with DX Civics that put out better numbers then B series with comparable setups. Yes, the Integra is heavier, but you could build it. I don't know if I'd do it, but you could put together a decent setup if you wanted to. I just think money would be better used on a more viable setup. Then again, I have NEVER seen a D motor in an Integra. It would definately be unique.
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RaiLS wrote:People boost the D motor a lot more often cause it has lower compression and reacts to boost better. I know a few people with DX Civics that put out better numbers then B series with comparable setups. Yes, the Integra is heavier, but you could build it. I don't know if I'd do it, but you could put together a decent setup if you wanted to. I just think money would be better used on a more viable setup. Then again, I have NEVER seen a D motor in an Integra. It would definately be unique.
It's also a lighter motor. And for everyone that hadn't noticed, it's a D16, not D15. I'm not trying to nit-pick but if you go onto a Honda forum and say "D15" there's probably going to be some pissant that'll flame you for it. Anyway... There are are a lot of D16s on the national drag circuit putting out serious numbers and in no way is it a crappy engine. Personally I'm a B- H- or K-series guy but it really boils down to displacement and your pocket book. I've also never seen a D motor in an Integra, but either way you can't go wrong with it. Realistically the 'Teg isn't all that heavy of a car, it's what around 2700 pounds or so, not muc heavier than any other car its size, and there's no reason the D16 can't handle it. Put the car on a diet and you'll fine.
ln2johnny wrote:And for everyone that hadn't noticed, it's a D16, not D15.
Haha yeah I noticed that. D15 is old school. I had a D15 in my '89 Civic hatch. I think it was rated at 72hp from the factory lol.
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There are a bunch of different D15 motors AND D16 motors. I'm going to assume that when he said D15 he meant D15 which as best means he's got 102 hp (assuming a USDM engine).
I'd personally would put a DOHC (B or K peferably, an H would interesting, not sure if I've heard of anyone doing that before) back in there, but if you want to keep the D motor in there and boost it (ie work with what you have), then plan from the begining for a LOT of boost (say.. 20+psi). That'll be the only way to make it worth it. It's gonna take a decent amount of boost just to put you even with the motor that was in it to begin with so to make it a sleeper you're gonna have to go way over and above that. You may find that it would have been cheaper to swap in a DOHC to beign with.. doing something different is rarely cheap.
well I figure I'm starting from a better platform than what I started from when I did my 2200 build.
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brew-san wrote:There are a bunch of different D15 motors AND D16 motors. I'm going to assume that when he said D15 he meant D15 which as best means he's got 102 hp (assuming a USDM engine).
I'd personally would put a DOHC (B or K peferably, an H would interesting, not sure if I've heard of anyone doing that before) back in there, but if you want to keep the D motor in there and boost it (ie work with what you have), then plan from the begining for a LOT of boost (say.. 20+psi). That'll be the only way to make it worth it. It's gonna take a decent amount of boost just to put you even with the motor that was in it to begin with so to make it a sleeper you're gonna have to go way over and above that. You may find that it would have been cheaper to swap in a DOHC to beign with.. doing something different is rarely cheap.
I don't know if I buy that line. Especially if it was a LS. (I think those came with 140ish hp stock). Either way, it all depends on what your goals are. I would check out some Honda boards and see what other people are running, their advice, ect. Good luck and keep up posted.
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People dont prefer the boost on the D series because of compression. People prefer boost on the non-vtec engines over the v-tec maybe. Because if it has v-tec you have irregular valve intake.
The compression is lower on the D series. Off the top of my head I think the D16 is aprox 9.1:1 and the B16 is 11.4:1. Don't quote me on that, as I don't have time to search. I have to goto the gym now. I will look it up when I get back.
And, yes the valve train is a little more complex, but people boost VTEC heads all the time.
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People boost B-series all the time also =P The b16 takes boost really well. I dont believe its in the 11's though. I'm pretty sure its only the in the 10's but I know for a fact the B16 takes boost extremely well even for being a higher compression motor. Its just way easier to tune the non-vtec engine. Shouldn't say it handles boost better...just easier to tune and get higher boost out of.
You are right, that was what my buddy was running on his after he got his head milled. It is 10.2 - 10.4:1 depending on the year. and by saying...
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The D16 handles boost better
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just easier to tune and get higher boost out of.
There are VTEC D16's as well. They had SOHC VTEC on the EX Civics. I believe the variable valves were on the intake only.
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RaiLS wrote:I don't know if I buy that line. Especially if it was a LS. (I think those came with 140ish hp stock). Either way, it all depends on what your goals are. I would check out some Honda boards and see what other people are running, their advice, ect. Good luck and keep up posted.
Remember, he stated his goal was a sleeper.. sleeper to me means a car that is faster than it looks.
to get to LS power he's gonna need almost 50% more power (assuming that he's got a D15B7 and not one of the D15's that make even less power) which means roughly what? 7-8 psi? and that is just so he can be as fast as the lowest trim integra (LS) that's not much of a sleeper. If he runs roughly a 1 bar (~15 psi) (which is already a good amount of boost) he's still maybe as fast as a GSR (possibly but probably not a Type R) and that's still not much of a sleeper he's just got a GSR at that point. At 20+ psi (like I mentioned) now he's considerably faster than your average 'teg. (i.e. a sleeper)
put in an H22a and stroke it !
Lui
for my next project im gona find a K20 engine and swap it into the civic, u should look around man, engine swaps in imports are easy, im just lucky mine came stock with the d16 haha
ya I've gotta find somewhere to get an engine and tranny. I want a b18 with a b16 tranny. The engine thats in there now is a d15 and it was dyno'd at 126hp to the wheels. some of you are thinkin
but the engine is modded.
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the only tthing thats stock with the engine is the bottom end
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