been looking at the for quite some time now.. been more serious since i started my new job and have more money. their going for 15-20k now. got a few Q's that i know a few people like sappy and paco would know
iv been on ls1 gto lookin around for a bit doin a little reading and talking to my buddy who has an 04 with the 5.7
whats the "heating up" deal with the 6.0 ls2 in the 05+
and whats the difference in the 50hp besides the .3 liters
hows the car handle and daily drive?
it will be the 6 speed, how does everyone like theirs?
any problems? its an lsx motor so im sure its perfect.
hows the rear end? i know the 98-02 camaro rear ends didnt like 400+ tq/hp and hard launches
payments and insurence?
how many miles are on the car/motor?
what is the factory rear end gear ratio? factory posi? what are yall running?
im assuming all lsx parts are interchangable.
now im new to the ls7, i know its the 7.0 427 but is it an actual "big block" like the old school 427 or just have a crazy bore/stroke on a small block? (im curious if the heads/cam will swap) i know the clutch will
my last question is, where can i find info on these "iron block lsx" motors where the CI is around 377 or 400+
any other pros/cons that anyone can add?
sorry to hammer with questions, but i feel its time to up class to something nice, loaded with options, will retain value and is an all around beautiful car with a strong power plant. i have zero intentions in tryin to run 10s with this car however i do want a reliable one more then speed wise.
so before i jump into some debt im trying to gather as much as i can.
so feel free to jump with info guys!
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1. The heating up you are referring I would assume is the heat soak from where the IAT sensor is located (w/ the maf) and how it absorbs a lot of heat.
There is a IAT sensor relocation kit that helps w/ this problem as well as tuning the car will help.
2.The LS2 has a the same cam as the first zo6 that produced 385hp. It also has 364cid as opposed to the 346 on the LS1. It also has different heads, slightly different exhaust and a different block. The ls2 also has a 90mm throttle body as opposed to the 75mm on LS1 cars. LS2 cars have bigger brakes as well.
3. As far as a DD its awesome. Only down sides are trunk space, and rear seat access. I am going to do a rear seat delete soon so that part won't be an issue anymore.
4. The 6-speed is awesome. The only thing most people change is the shifter itself because the stock unit has long throws and its kind of vague. Don't buy the B&M short shifter for the GTO. There are many cases of them breaking.
5. GTO problems, a lot of crushed bushings from the boat ride over. 04 GTOs commonly had strut rub issues and 06 GTOs had problems w/ blown struts. (Got a bad batch in from the manufacturer. My main problem is keeping my foot out of it. lol Its too much fun. Motor problems, the only things I have heard about were a few ls2s consuming some oil. Not very many but a couple.
6. The rear is quite a bit stronger than the F-bods but it is an IRS so launching it can be a bit tricky and takes some getting used to. Also, if you don't change out your rear end fluid it will start to do one tire fire burnouts.
7. My payments are fine for me but I also got it brand new for $28,900.00 +tax tags etc. Insurance for that and my truck is at $180ish a month full coverage w/ road side, rental, and medical. The insurance barely went up from my cavalier and then dropped every year after that.
8. My car and motor have about 24,500miles on them. There are people well over 50k in their 04s now w/ minimal issues.
9. The factory rear ratio is 3.46 w/ a LSD. The 6 speed gearing is from the c5 zo6.
10. Most LSx parts are interchangeable. Some are not mostly LS7 and LS6 are not a direct swap.
11. The LS7 is a gen IV small block from GM. Same as the LS2. The blocks are slightly different tho because the LS7 is built to rev higher. I believe people have done a LS7 head swap but it involves a lot of work. I don't think the cam will work w/o heads tho. I am not 100% on that tho. I would check ls1gto.com for that info.
12. The iron block LSx is designed to be bored from the start.
http://www.crateenginedepot.com/store/LSX-Bowtie-Block-W45C189.aspx?gclid=CIjuks2UvIsCFRYuYAodTCFszA
O and all it takes to get a LS2 gto in 11s is sticky tires, drag bags, and a 100 shot.
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so as far as the ls1 vs ls2. iv i can pick up an 04 for about 4k cheaper then the 05, worth it? or should i spend the extra?
what is the comp ratio in the two?
how well are the programers? hypertech, predator, diablo, hpt, etc?
i looked at your reg, GMM rip kit? is that a brand for a short shifter?
my friend has an 04 with an intake, exhaust and short throw. 6 speed with about 25k on it. his best run on the stock tires was a 13.3 or 13.4 the 05 gtos up there that day were running 13.6 average and getting hotter with more passes.
i honestly dont plan on running 11s. 12s/13s are fine as i still have the cavalier.
im just lookin for a upper end car as i feel i deserve something on the comfy side
trunk and back seat space arent a concern. does it still have that CAGS thing that forces a 1st to 4th shift???
finally, how do they responde with a nice set of heads or a cam? i dont want the computer to freak out
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1. its up to you. Alot of people say get the 04 and mod it. I'd rather have the better brakes to begin w/ tho.
2. LS1 10.5:1 LS2 10.9:1
3. HP tuners is the best an individual can buy. Tuning shops usually have that, efi live or ls2edit.
The hand helds are not that bad but you can't do everything you can w/ the others.
4. GMM is the brand. They have a race and street version.
5. I ran a 13.1 w/ just a short shifter. People have run 12.9s bone stock.
6. CAGS is still there but most tuners can program it out. Also there are very specific condidtions to get it to kick in.
7. I would def get a tune w/ heads or a cam. I got a tune w/ headers and picked up 20hp. They respond well to cams/heads tho as far as performance.
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I agree with everything Sappy said
I have an 04 A4 and I love it. I got the 04 used for $17,250 back in January it only had 14,000 Miles on it when I picked it up I'm only up to 18,000 now. I'm just trying to decide which path I want to go with my car trying to decide if I want more HP or if I wanna look like a Monaro.
Only problem I can tell ya about the car is the cost of Mod's are up there. A set of kook's Headers with Catted Mids and Coated are like $1,300 where as for somthing like an F-Body they would be closer to $400. This is only because some of the Mods are GTO specific like the headers wrap around the streeting rack.
Oh and I just recieved a price quote for a HSV front bumper from AU and shiped to my door its gonna be $3,300 lol so yea I think the Monaro conversion is a lil out of my price range right now lol
Don't pay more than $20k for an '04. I just went over 36k miles on my '04 (had it since it was new) and haven't had to take it in to the dealer once. I just got the Lou's short stick for my M6 and it makes a big difference for only 60 bucks. Only downside to being a daily driver is I wouldn't recommend it in the snow.
Rob
Sold 2/2/05
I drove mine in the snow with no problems just gotta be soft on the throttle when first starting out nothing big and I did have 1 issue getting up my driveway before I had a chance to shovel it but nothing a lil extra throttle couldn't handle lol
I got a quote on the monaro front end ready to bolt in(sans paint of course) $1400 US.
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the front bumper depends on which 1 you want , the standard monaro bumper is the price sappy posted
the HSV stuff is alot higher
around here its hard to get a 04 for less than 20 , unless you find a private party selling 1
There was a black 04 w/ a 6 speed and red interior w/ <5k miles for $19,995 at a dealer around here.
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sweet guys. well it doesnt snow here so im not worried. once every year or 2
whats a monaro bumper? how much power can the ls1/ls2 bottom ends take? iv seen quite a few in that 480-500rwhp range on the ls1/ls2gto site. that magg charger seems to be the pick and still be reliable
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The crank can take abuot 1000hp on a LS1. No one has maxxed the LS2 piece but it should be around there.
One LS2 is at 720ish whp on stock motor.
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loboost is at 700whp and around 750wtq at 16psi , the bottom end is stock
he has low compression heads
> Monaro GTS Front Bumper (non-genuine) $2380 shipped
> HSV CV8 Front Bumper (genuine GM) $3250 shipped
> Monaro 05 Front Bumper (genuine GM) $1390 shipped
You forgot the coupe 4 front end.
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Those were just the ones that I got quotes for because I wanted the HSV kit but the entire kit is like $8,000
Jim4817 364LS2 731 624 SAE DJ Y M6 779RWHP/669RWTQ Actual, ATI D1SC 2 core 3.4 pulley , Dual SMC Alky, All Stock LS2, 1.85 rockers, Stainless Works Exhaust, large filter & inlet elbow mod http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=109327
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^^^ you ever get a motor for yours yet ?
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a little late but i figure i would answer them as well.
1. agree with sappy
2.
reference 1 &
reference 2
3. mine is a 450+ hp daily driver and it drives and handles just fine. its not an M3 or porsche, but it also doesn't cost as much.
4. 6spd = fun to drive. 6spd + 3.91s = really fun to drive
5. motor has been solid for me (drivetrain is another story)
6. i blew up my rear end:
boom!!!
7. i got mine brand new when the 05s first hit, so i didn't get any discounts or incentives. insurance isn't bad at all. something around 650 over 6 months. i just lump summed it the first month and forget about it.
8. ~36k
9. agree with sappy, but i'm now running a kaaz posi and 3.91s (imo one of the best mods)
10. agree with sappy.
11.
reference again, with the clutch you also have to use the flywheel (i currently have this setup)
12. imo, if you're thinking about the lsx block, get an 04 and use the saved money towards the lsx block.
other pros and cons.
ls1 fly by cable > ls2 fly by wire
ls2 gauge cluster > ls1 gauge cluster (but can be swapped)
ls2 brakes > ls1 brakes (but can be swapped out)
ls2 stubs > ls1 stubs
04 and 05 driveshafts are different (04s are longer by about a .25" and have a different bolt circle)
wheel bolt pattern sucks (5x120mm)
not being able to fit big tires in the rear sucks
cars weight sucks!
interior is really good!
aftermarket is really good, just expensive.
if I had to do it again I woud have gone with an 04 because i would have saved some money, had drive by cable, changed out the gauge cluster, and with the money i saved i would have thrown in a 402 bored over to 408 with a forged rotating assembly.
but i'm happy with what I have now.
Just drive one and all your questions will be answered....or atleast a test drive answered mine lol.
I literally test drove my goat for about 10 minutes, before deciding that it was going to be mine. Didnt tell the sales guy right then of course....didnt wanna seem too eager. So I went back to the dealership 2 hours later and put a deposit on it.
"Custom cars, custom problems."-me
