I don't complain about gas prices. I'm only 24..but I can remember my mom paying 76 cents per gallon on a trip to Houston once.
I someday want to own a really fast car. Like a 5-600hp monster. I see that sorta slipping away. As a middle classer, I can't see myself paying 5 or 6$ per gallon of gas when my toy gets like 12 mpg.
So what do you think? Think it's the death of the supercars? What do you think we'll be paying 5, 10 years down the road? I've heard estimates of over 4$ after summer.
Nope. If they can afford the car, they can afford the gas. Don't see people giving up their yachts, do ya?
rofl @ the assumption a middle class exists
Q: Gas prices in 10 years?
A: $0.12 / gallon
hopefully eventually things will sort of level out..if not..we'll all be riding mo-peds soon.
^^ no we wont. the demand for mo-peds will sky rocket and we wont be able to afford those either
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I was under the assumption that gasoline-powered cars will not exist 10-15yrs from now...there will be some alternatives. Yes the rich can afford the gas, but the rest of us must make due with the 105hp hatchbacks that are coming, or the various alcohol technologies or diesel, or hybrids, fuel cells and other non internal combustion drivetrains. Or worse, public transportation, no pleasure driving.
Get what you want and enjoy it now!! Chances are things will change in the not so near future.
Well, since gas prices in the US are pretty much equal to what the rest of the civilised world was paying, I'd say they should stay the same from now on. If fuel prices do go down it'll be diesel that gets cheaper, not gasoline. Right now Diesel prices (which used to be half of gas) have skyrocketed because they're absorbing some of gasoline's losses. So instead of paying 5-6$ a gallon for gas and 2.50$ for Diesel, both fuels are roughly the same price.
here's a thought..... with the increase of gas prices we are seeing an increase in all kinds of goods across the board (especially foods). harvesters have to increase the price they sell it at to cover the higher price they have to pay for the gas to run the machinery... makes perfect sense.
but what about employees? should we be entitled to a equal amount increase in pay!? in order for us to do our jobs we have to commute and since its costing us more to commute...... eh? just a thought that popped in my head while reading some of these posts about gas prices and future cars.
what do you think!?
If it's anything like the last 10yrs gas prices will probably more than triple from todays prices of $3.26/gal national average. I'm not looking forward to dumping $30 just to fill my wifes Saturn SL every week like the analysts are predicting that gas will be $4+ by memorial day. The prices are getting @!#$ ridiculous and since wages aren't increasing at the same pace as the price of everything else the economy will buckle with people only buying the necessities. Give me $2.50/gal and I'll be happy as I'm sure everybody else would be too.
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Well, since gas prices in the US are pretty much equal to what the rest of the civilised world was paying
This is true, however, you need to consider other costs. In the places you're thinking of where they've been paying these kinds of prices for gas, they don't have to pay for things like electricity and cooking gas. These are things the government recognizes as essentials for living, and it's all provided. It's not privatized like it is here in the U.S. So when you consider we're still paying for these things (and the costs of those are increasing as well) we're getting screwed.
I'm not complaining, but it is getting out of hand. Things will settle back down once we have a president who hasn't made his fortunes off of oil, and is using his power to get even further ahead at our expense.
And like mentioned above, those who can afford the toys will continue to be able to afford the gas. I see the "haves" as having much more in the future and us "have nots" will continue to struggle to even keep afloat. I've had dreams of a nice, fast toy like everyone else, but I've resigned myself into knowing that it won't happen unless I win the Powerball.
It's just a fact of life.
-John
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Well, since gas prices in the US are pretty much equal to what the rest of the civilised world was paying
This is true, however, you need to consider other costs. In the places you're thinking of where they've been paying these kinds of prices for gas, they don't have to pay for things like electricity and cooking gas. These are things the government recognizes as essentials for living, and it's all provided.
SAY WHAT?
*looks @ electrical bill, gas bill*
*looks for electrical outlet surcharge from hostel in Netherlands*
Dude!?!?
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It's not privatized like it is here in the U.S. So when you consider we're still paying for these things (and the costs of those are increasing as well) we're getting screwed.
No you're finally catching up with the rest of the world.
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I'm not complaining, but it is getting out of hand. Things will settle back down once we have a president who hasn't made his fortunes off of oil, and is using his power to get even further ahead at our expense.
Don't bet on it.
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And like mentioned above, those who can afford the toys will continue to be able to afford the gas. I see the "haves" as having much more in the future and us "have nots" will continue to struggle to even keep afloat. I've had dreams of a nice, fast toy like everyone else, but I've resigned myself into knowing that it won't happen unless I win the Powerball.
It's just a fact of life.
You can start setting up your financial future today, and make your money work for you rather than the other way around.
As far as having the toys, take care of your NEEDS first.
oldskool wrote:I was under the assumption that gasoline-powered cars will not exist 10-15yrs from now...there will be some alternatives. Yes the rich can afford the gas, but the rest of us must make due with the 105hp hatchbacks that are coming, or the various alcohol technologies or diesel, or hybrids, fuel cells and other non internal combustion drivetrains. Or worse, public transportation, no pleasure driving.
Get what you want and enjoy it now!! Chances are things will change in the not so near future.
Some of us are already there.
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Godspeed wrote:here's a thought..... with the increase of gas prices we are seeing an increase in all kinds of goods across the board (especially foods). harvesters have to increase the price they sell it at to cover the higher price they have to pay for the gas to run the machinery... makes perfect sense.
but what about employees? should we be entitled to a equal amount increase in pay!? in order for us to do our jobs we have to commute and since its costing us more to commute...... eh? just a thought that popped in my head while reading some of these posts about gas prices and future cars.
what do you think!?
I disagree strongly.
If you live far away from your job and commute that is your choice. In most cases you could live close by and walk, or take a short bus ride to work. There are situations where that doesn't quite work because North America is designed around the idea of everyone having a car, but that's not the employers worry.
Most employers to give raises, partly to offset cost of living increases.
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You can start setting up your financial future today, and make your money work for you rather than the other way around.
As far as having the toys, take care of your NEEDS first.
True story.
Dan Trump
2004 Cavalier LS Sport - Victory Red
un4givn wrote:Quote:
Well, since gas prices in the US are pretty much equal to what the rest of the civilised world was paying
I'm not complaining, but it is getting out of hand. Things will settle back down once we have a president who hasn't made his fortunes off of oil, and is using his power to get even further ahead at our expense.
HAHAHA yeah! Using his power to get further ahead at our expense!?!? I'll be the last person to say that Bush has been a great pres., but come on!
87 Firebird
All stock...........lol.
Well back in 98 I was paying about 1.30 and commuting 120 miles a day in my pu/or cav.Even then I was buying about twice a wk just to keep from running too low.I drove both veh the cav got about 34mpg the trk 29.Either way it was cheap for the money I made at the time.I would hate to pay with today's price for sure.Ten yrs umm the market will tell that story with fridays closing price of 107.00 a brrll.I would be happy at 2.25 but,that's dreaming.
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I'll be the last person to say that Bush has been a great pres., but come on!
Think about it. The Bush family has made their fortune in oil. Gasoline prices have skyrocketed under his tenure. Companies like Mobil are posting extreme record profits, and somehow our government has plenty of time to talk about whether or not ball players are taking roids or other suspect performance enhancers, but not shady pricing practices?
Yeah, I'm sure it's not a purely direct correlation, but there is a connection there. Plus, oil prices would be higher now than before he started as president (making gasoline prices SOMEWHAT higher), but if it weren't for the war he started, there wouldn't be such a huge sudden jump.
I'm going to get off my soapbox now. I'm not feeling the hurt myself, but I see people all around me struggling because of all this, and I just really feel like it could have been avoided, or at least controlled better, if our country had been under different "leadership" these past few years.
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You can start setting up your financial future today, and make your money work for you rather than the other way around.
As far as having the toys, take care of your NEEDS first.
That is how I run my life, thank you all powerful financial guru. I was simply trying to relate to the original post sentiment. Times are eventually going to get tough for everyone, except for those on the very top.
-John
Jonathan wrote:Godspeed wrote:here's a thought..... with the increase of gas prices we are seeing an increase in all kinds of goods across the board...
I disagree strongly.
If you live far away from your job and commute that is your choice. In most cases you could live close by and walk, or take a short bus ride to work. There are situations where that doesn't quite work because North America is designed around the idea of everyone having a car, but that's not the employers worry.
Most employers to give raises, partly to offset cost of living increases.
its not just as simple for people to just up and move so they can be close enough to their work so they can walk. and what if people do... it wont take long for all the housing accomidations to be taken and then what? its they fault for not being able to afford the closer houses or to move before others. i agree people
could move closer. but its just that that unattached...
Ok, I definitely have to disagree...
When Jr. Bush stated that the U.S. is a "nation addicted to oil", it pretty much plays out the card that he knows what his country wants.
Then he was stuck in the middle of a spectrum between getting more oil freely, and starting an all-out world-war.
I hate stupid US liberals that live in la-la land (not pointing to anyone here, just in general) and think the oil they use comes from the trees and the bees. Sorry folks, oil is not free, you gotta pay to play, you dont control the price, the supplier controls the price (like any other commodity)! OR, the worse kind of liberal, the ignorant f*cktard who whines and bitches about OPEC and the like, yet comes cruising to a protest rally in a minivan. Hypocrit or just plain stupid, your call!
I'll state this again:
The price for gasoline has not kept up with inflation, and of course now being such a traded commodity, is finally starting catching up.
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Jonathan wrote:I disagree strongly.
If you live far away from your job and commute that is your choice. In most cases you could live close by and walk, or take a short bus ride to work. There are situations where that doesn't quite work because North America is designed around the idea of everyone having a car, but that's not the employers worry.
Most employers to give raises, partly to offset cost of living increases.
sorry....this notion just doesnt hold water. this might be an option if you live in a big city....but the majority of america is rural. most people around here have to travel between 30-60 minutes, one way, to get to work. public transportation is nonexistent here so commuting is the ONLY choice.
(tabs) wrote:Jonathan wrote:I disagree strongly.
If you live far away from your job and commute that is your choice. In most cases you could live close by and walk, or take a short bus ride to work. There are situations where that doesn't quite work because North America is designed around the idea of everyone having a car, but that's not the employers worry.
Most employers to give raises, partly to offset cost of living increases.
sorry....this notion just doesnt hold water. this might be an option if you live in a big city....but the majority of america is rural. most people around here have to travel between 30-60 minutes, one way, to get to work. public transportation is nonexistent here so commuting is the ONLY choice.
I gotta go with tabs on this. I live in a rural area, there are NO buses that run through here, no trains (other than supply trains,... i.e. no public seating), nothing. Move to the city? Sure, if you can afford to move, there's places in the city cheap, but they're cheap for a reason... crime is getting out of control. If you want to risk getting shot/mugged/stabbed on the way to work, feel free. Pretty much around here, the only "cheap" places you'll find are in the city, and in bad neighborhoods where drugs and violence is rampant. Any place outside the city is incredibly expensive to live in, because people want to be close to where they work, but not in the middle of all the crime and poverty. So what's left? Rural areas. Usually they are more affordable to live at, but they're farther from places with jobs.
When I started driving you could fill your tank for $10. Now, you might get 1/3 tank for that. Triple the cost for gas in 10 years, doesn't sound bad, until you realize that about $1 per gallon of that price increase has happened within the past year.
Gas prices go up, prices for all good purchased go up. Not just "toy" goods, but things you NEED to survive. If something isn't done soon with the economy so the prices of goods/necessities is equal to pay increases... the economy will crash and people just making it will struggle and fall through the cracks.
people are already falling through the cracks. mortgages are a mess, houses are being repossessed. the thing about it is, we HAVE the technology to do this, but the companies which have the ability dont care... Gas companies are most likely paying off automotive companies to keep fuel economy down...
but im going to say this, the biggest problem we are having with gas economy, is how @!#$ HUGE our autos are getting...
my cavalier used to be a "decent sized" vehicle... but with all of these trailblazers, yukons, escalades, dodge, ford, chevy trucks, avalanche... suburban, lincoln trucks... yeah they are nice and fancy, but at eight @!#$ miles per gallon, lets not forget the HUMMER series.
im really pissed off at the @!#$ people who buy these monsters and then bitch about how much it costs to fill their goddamn tank.
wahhhhhhh it takes me 2,000,000 dollars to fill my tank annually.
big @!#$ deal, if you would have had the common sense to get something which even gets 16mpg avg your gas bill is cut in half.
my girlfriends parents are like this (ex girlfriend, but yeah)
they own
(3) 2005 silverado crew cab trucks
(1) 2007 Tahoe
(1) 2002 blazer
(1) 1987 ford truck (2 30gallon tanks)
and (1) cavalier 1997 recently totalled
they wonder why they never have any money, and everytime i was over they would always be going to get gas, or need to get gas... literally they would put 60 dollars in a tank and it would be gone before they got home. and they complain about the price when its 2.75/gal
i cant stand the irrational thoughts of people now adays. if your going to bitch about gas prices, at least have the decency to get a fuel miser, or little commuter car.
*** some people do have extenuating circumstances however and thats a different story, but a majority of people do not NEED an escalade EXT with 24" rims as a daily driver. hmmmm.... they must get about 7 miles per gallon?
/rant.
