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I know slowolej has somehow manipulated his computer to accept 4 TBI injectors.
I'd absolutely love to figure out what he did.

<banging head against desk>
lol... I've told people what I did. On the 2nd gen ecm, it's a matter of replacing 2 chips and 2 resistors.
Well, I was going to post a link to my page, but my @#$% ISP has made the page inaccessible, again. I think I'm looking for a new ISP soon. The instructions for modifying the 2nd gen ecm are here. There are also some major tuning changes in the software, most of which seem to be worked out.

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I'm trying to figure out how realistic it would be to run a standalone that can adapt to such big injectors and such a low fuel pressure.

It's very realistic. The Megasquirt can be used with a special driver box, the plans for which are available on the Megasquirt page. And if you look through the boost forum you'll find that at least one person has installed the tbi injectors in a 3rd gen along with a tec3R. Look for something like "2.2 solving the injector problem" in the title to find that post. And way back I posted a link to an aftermarket driver box which the maker says will work with the tbi injectors.

And it looks like hptuners is asking for "votes" for which cars are supported first by sending in a VIN from the car you want to tune. I say look at every Ebay auction for a 97 2.2L for a VIN and send it in.

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NJs Honda Killa wrote:All motor...Da Flyin' Skwirl.

Boosted...not sure, like lawnmower said, check the boost forum

I believe Joe Almeida was the fastest NA...his engine is in the classifieds right now (in pieces)...I know he ran nitrous at the track, but I believe he dynoed it NA.


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slowolej,

I was only saying I dont know the details. I haven't looked into it for a 2nd gen because I have a 3rd gen.
Just simply stating what I knew, I never claimed to know anything more.
I'm interested in running the TBI injectors, and Im only in the researching stage, so I appologize.




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NJs Honda Killa wrote:All motor...Da Flyin' Skwirl.

Boosted...not sure, like lawnmower said, check the boost forum

Nope, PJ is 3rd


E) 2.2L OHV N/A
1. smcavalier, 15.698 @ 91.07
2. Bballjamal (Cav-AtL), 15.710 @ 89.64
3. TheFlyingSquirrel(PJ), 15.769 @ 85.59mph
4. blackcavygod, 15.879 @ 85.76
5. Anthony (Ant) Garcia, 15.978 @ 84.57


Although, to be perfectly honest, and not get anyone's panties in a bunch, but the top two on the list need to either learn how to drive or get some better tires.... Bball should be running low 15's with traps that high, and smcavalier should be in the 14's with a 91 mph trap.... I ran a 14.6 at 91mph today, just as an example (on low boost at etown)

Every time i see one of these posts followed by the numerous "boost is the only way to make any respectable power on an OHV" comments, i really have to chuckle. If a 2.0 8V SOHC VW can be built to make 200 hp all motor and still be streetable, what makes you think that the OHV can't? Scruf's car made 177hp to the WHEELS all motor with an auto trans... Byron's full race sunfire, judging from trap/weight ratio, was making a little more than that, also on an auto, and it ran 13.90's. THe problem is that a lot of people think that throwing boost on is easier and less expensive... Even if you piece together a turbo kit yourself, chances are it'll cost in the neighborhood of $2000-$2800... put that money into a ported head, cam, balancing the rotating assembly, and 10:1 or more compression, and you have somewhere near 200hp all motor at the wheels, which is plenty enough power for most of the people on this board, and plenty of power to be fast. 1/4 mile times aren't just about power/




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Spotabee Racing wrote:Adler - I have read on this forum several times, including from event himself, that 360 hp is the most output recorded from the LN2 powerplant. I may be wrong in that, I'm just stating I have seen that posted on this site before by people I would believe.

Stevefire - No, no problems with spun bearings ironically. I've got 158,000 miles on my engine, stock bottom end. I replaced the cyl head at 110k, and with all i have replaced, with the combination of me beating the @!#$ out of it at the races every weekend, I'm surprised it hasn't let loose. With the exception of the pisspoor fuel system design, this motor seems to be fairly durable. It takes a beating, while not necessarily continuing to perform 100% the whole time, but it doesn't break down. I've never broken down strangely.

If the fuel problem could be solved, and tuning were simpler, I'd love to see someone build a 2.2 for over 500 horsepower. The block is strong. But the crank will need work, if the stock crank can even be say micropolished and balanced to take that abuse, of course pistons and rods, every surface decked, drivetrain built to take it, etc etc. It can be done, hell I'll do it. I just need money.

i dont believe event said 360hp...

event has said 13.60 N/A

http://members.aol.com/KWZ26/byronC.html

Built for drag racing in NHRA SS/EC class.

Aluminum rods

Forged pistons

Mechanical roller camshaft

Roller rocker arms

Larger valves & springs

Fabricated intake & exhaust

SDS ECU for fuel and spark

T125 automatic trans w/ modified converter

Mickey Thompson drag slicks

Roll bar

Fuel cell

Manual steering & brakes

Weight: 2300 lbs.

13.60@100mph.





as for who has the most power... thats up in the air.... if you keep shelling any amount of money in an engine, you can easily get to 300 horsepower, 500 horsepower, maybe even 6-700 horsepower. thing is who here is that dedicated? how many people do you see complain about prices for quality parts, but waste money on neons and accesories, when all they talk about are being fast???

mike karas did 410 whp out of a 2.4, but not many people here will ever get near to shelling out that amount of money for an engine and tuning.... i know karo (who was cool to hang out with all yesterday) did like 354 on nitrous.... maybe a bit more..... but both were 2.4's-------

on 2.2;s there are a bunch of fast ones, 14;s and 13;s scattered through the past and recent, also a decent few in the boost forum as said... adler being one who posted in this post.


however for anyone saying boost is needed to make a fast car.... its about time to start setting aside a few hours a week and learn about engines and how they work... thats all i;ve done the past 3 years, and i am still learning stuff. suspension, roll center, cg, articualation, camber, caster.....that came easy to me with racing growing up. engine internals.... whole new endeavor.

granted boost is a quick way to get there, if the link i posted above, byron can do so with n/a and run 13.6;s, then anyone can IF................ people would start taking time to know what they are doing. some are.


saddest part about forums with cars, and hell even the health and fitness forums i frequent. only a few take time out to learn, and then learn more on their own. many seem to just want handouts like city bums when it comes to knowledge or size gains in weightlifting. case in point, watch any forum and see how much repetitive stuff gets asked in the course of one week.

ronnie coleman, mr olympia is famous for saying:

"everyone in the gym wants to be a bodybuilder, but dont no one wanna lift no heavy "arse" weights"


with cars its similar:

everyone wants to be fast, but not many wanna do any research or learnin


theres ALOT of you on here i have met in person, especially from Jersey J's, Sinister J's, and random groups that are headed in the right direction. just from their ideas and plans etc.... as long as they keep with it, learnin and moddin, should be there in the future.

everyone on this forum has the ability to do so, but its starting to seem very few ever have a plan, nor the patience to follow through with anything. once the majority of the posts in the performance forum switch from petty stuff like

"what plugs should i buy
what intake should i buy
what wires are the best
what filter is the best"

stuff that doesnt make a large difference really....

to stuff thats a bit more technical, with as many 2200;s and 2.2 93-97 on this site,

there will be plenty more 15 and 14 second cars, and a handful more 13;s.


and keep in mind theres alot of locals in the lower 48, that never even come on this site. theres a black, silver, and blue 2200 ran at capitol 2-3 years ago this summer, that was running mid 14's N/A, lived somewhere near severna park / arnold, MD.

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I believe Joe Almeida was the fastest NA...his engine is in the classifieds right now (in pieces)...

dont know how fast he ran, but the radiator i got from his car is sweet. that man did his homework on how to build a car for speed.

Jay, I was just saying all motor people that I actually knew...I really don't follow who is the fastest n/a 2.2 ohv and who isn't. As far as I knew, PJ was the fastest.



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bah, just turbo your 2.2 with alot of boost...and then you will be fast.




275hp & 306tq - 1999 2.2 ohv
13.2 @ 108 mph
-1996 2.4 liter + Turbo + Built motor + Torco + More boost = Lots o' Power
-2000 Mustang GT + 2004 Cobra motor, Whipple 2.3 supercharger,
built rear-end,Dodge Viper spec T56 6 speed, bolt-ons = wheelies at the track!!!!!

Jersey Jay 1.8T wrote:

NJs Honda Killa wrote:All motor...Da Flyin' Skwirl.

Boosted...not sure, like lawnmower said, check the boost forum

Nope, PJ is 3rd


E) 2.2L OHV N/A
1. smcavalier, 15.698 @ 91.07
2. Bballjamal (Cav-AtL), 15.710 @ 89.64
3. TheFlyingSquirrel(PJ), 15.769 @ 85.59mph
4. blackcavygod, 15.879 @ 85.76
5. Anthony (Ant) Garcia, 15.978 @ 84.57


Although, to be perfectly honest, and not get anyone's panties in a bunch, but the top two on the list need to either learn how to drive or get some better tires.... Bball should be running low 15's with traps that high, and smcavalier should be in the 14's with a 91 mph trap.... I ran a 14.6 at 91mph today, just as an example (on low boost at etown)

Every time i see one of these posts followed by the numerous "boost is the only way to make any respectable power on an OHV" comments, i really have to chuckle. If a 2.0 8V SOHC VW can be built to make 200 hp all motor and still be streetable, what makes you think that the OHV can't? Scruf's car made 177hp to the WHEELS all motor with an auto trans... Byron's full race sunfire, judging from trap/weight ratio, was making a little more than that, also on an auto, and it ran 13.90's. THe problem is that a lot of people think that throwing boost on is easier and less expensive... Even if you piece together a turbo kit yourself, chances are it'll cost in the neighborhood of $2000-$2800... put that money into a ported head, cam, balancing the rotating assembly, and 10:1 or more compression, and you have somewhere near 200hp all motor at the wheels, which is plenty enough power for most of the people on this board, and plenty of power to be fast. 1/4 mile times aren't just about power/

I'll take the better tire option........stocker 15s don't grab well, and, the 17's give me wheel hop and are a greater rotating mass! So wait just a tad bit longer for lower 15s! And that's without nitrous haha!


N2O + Bolt-ons = 220Hp/250Tq

Coming Soon:HpTunersPro, EagleConnectingRods, WiescoPistons, 13sec2200

Just like any motor, if you get the right parts, and know what you want the engine to do before you start the project, then anythings possible.

The weakest link i see to the 2.2/2200 is the crank. There is only so much you can do to make the stock cast iron crank stronger.

Everything else has a forged upgraded replacement, and you can also look to other engines for parts, if nothing is made for the 2.2/2200 specific, remember GM uses alot of similiar things in there products.


Mike

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