I just recently Purchased a 2.4 L Twin C. 2000 Sunfire SE, So im new to J-Body's. What Should i do to my Engine to improve its HP. I've heard of people putting cold air intakes or superchargers etc, i just recently see a site that had turbo kits that go up to Stage 3. But Starting with a Stock 2.4. What Should be my First Baby Steps with this thing. Any Help Would be Greatly Appreciated!
wow. seems like you want to drive right in with boost, blowers, turbos, whatever. which is good.....sort of
you need to sit down and think about what you want done with this car. then once you done that. you need to research your choice. lets say you want a turbo. you would proper feul mods, bigger exhaust, bunch of other stuff. it can get pretty expensive.
or you want suspension. some morons might say "Oh just cut your springs." that would be bad. that would result in bad ride quality, poor handling, and dangerous.
just do things right the first time. no reason ending up doing something twice. no reason to buy a header when you want a turbo.
see what im getting at?
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There are tons of questions that you
should ask yourself...
How much money do I want to spend on my car?
Is my car worth the investment?
How much power do I want to have?
What kind of 1/4 mile times do I want?
Can I afford to have down time?
This is just the beginning of the questions.
Now, starting out with a turbo kit isn't actually a bad idea as long as you have the proper turbo knowledge. Even if you bought a kit, I would purchase it unless you knew what every did, how turbo works, how to fix or situate an turbo issue...plainly just general turbo knowledge. When you do acquire this knowledge, it's a good first BIG step because you have something to work from, every little mod you do from there is a bigger gain.
Now, most people like myself do simple bolt ons. These are minimal gain kind of modifications but it's basically to prepare for bigger modifications.
If you need further help, don't be afraid to ask...
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This involves brainstorming, a complete comprehension of everything involved, as well as reconciling with yor income and bank statements
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Well, im willing to spend about $10, 000 in the next 4 to 5 years under the hood. I guess i've just been in a daze in terms of where to start. And really. What will effect what. Like, if i do this this, then i cant have that. Should i Start with a Few bolt on's? What did you guyz start out doing? What were all your First baby Steps?
Brandon Badger wrote:Well, im willing to spend about $10, 000 in the next 4 to 5 years under the hood. I guess i've just been in a daze in terms of where to start. And really. What will effect what. Like, if i do this this, then i cant have that. Should i Start with a Few bolt on's? What did you guyz start out doing? What were all your First baby Steps?
That's a good dollar amount. Do you also know how much power you are looking for?
I personally wish I knew more about turbos and just went turbo straight off the bat so I had something to work from. Oh well...I'll be turbocharged in January
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Anywhere over 200 Horsepower. I dont care to Race at every red light, like alot of ricers, lol. Its always been my goal and aspiration to put a car in Car shows, and place well. But i'd like for People to look under the hood And Say 'Wow'. Respect for J Body. Congrats On The Upcoming Supercharge!
^^^Correction, Adam is turbocharging and there definitely is a difference between turbo's and s/c's.
Before you start sinking money into you car read what the guys wrote above and think. Remember this quote - show cars don't win races and race cars don't win shows. Obviously, our cars are not race cars but I think you get the point. Would you rather go with performance or style (you did say you wanted to spend it under the hood but you also want to go to shows)? A good mix of both is always nice but its up to you. Don't just do what people tell you, its your car and you have to drive it.
Simple bolt on's like intake and motor mounts are a good start. If you go turbo down the road and you aleady have an exhaust then you may have to replace it with larger piping (the cause and effect you were asking about). One thing can affect another, so read, do your research, and ask alot of questions. You're not going to learn everything in one sitting from this thread.
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Sounds About right. 10, 000 jus under the hood. Still doing up Everything Else on a Different Budget tho. I havent Done any exaust Yet. So Should I Get A Nice Exaust, And Then Work on the Turbo? I've been Looking at Some Warm Air Intakes So far for a First Mod. I've read that the Hp will Definitly Vary Between Vehicles that have the same Product, But.....If another Sunfire/Cav has the same engine will the Same Product ( same Company) Result in the Relative Same HorsePower. Or is it Like, No Matter What Every Cars HP will be Different with a Warm air intake from *Said* Company.
you're right. every car will be different in hp even same intake from the same company.
if you want a turbo, just start perparing for it, buy internals, Greddy E manage, bigger injectors, upgraded feul pump, stuff like that
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Don't do an exhaust until you've done enough research on turbo setups. What you want now may not necessarily be what you need later on down the road; unless you already have an idea of what numbers you'll reach and exactly what you'll be doing to the motor. An intake is a good place to start, minor bolt on that many do as a first mod.
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Awesome, thx for The Help you guyZ
Three important things:
1.) Search is your friend, in both performance and boost sections. Almost any topic you can ponder up has been discussed and beaten quite a bit I'm sure. Only ask for things more specific to your car.
2.) Get an idea like everyone said, and then when you get an idea of what parts you would like to run (for example maybe you like the GM s/c reflash to start you off) you should research that until you fully grasp the way in which the part functions.
3.) FAQ's are extremely helpful to anyone fairly new to the boost / performance scene. Some of them may not be relevant to you, for example the S/C sections, but you can pick and choose what information you need to learn.
Last but not least, congratulations on the nice pick Brandon and welcome to the addiction
Well if you are looking to spend that much you are probably gonna want to boost. If you do decide to boost you need to decide on a SC or Turbo. The biggets reason for that is because of the exhaust manifold. With a turbo you need a manifold to accomodate the turbo. And that manifold would be only good for the turbo. If you decided to go the supercharger route any header would work. For example if I decided to go the turbo route the header I have ( header and cat was one unit, ceramic coated, and expensive) would be a wasted investment because it wouldn't work with the turbo.
Todd Nixon wrote:For example if I decided to go the turbo route the header I have ( header and cat was one unit, ceramic coated, and expensive) would be a wasted investment because it wouldn't work with the turbo.
You have the Izuzu Performance header don't you
And I also find it, should you decide to go supercharger (turbos are better!) that a 4-1 design "longtube" header is best for the application.
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What are the differences in Horsepower between Sc and the Turbo Just an Estimate, im sure they very with cars. Maybe i will go Supersharger, i didnt know Turbo was so high maintenance. That and i heard Superchargers are more Durable in the long run>? Thx DGabe24,
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Turbochargers have more potential for higher horsepower than superchargers.
Turbo's run off the exhaust gases of the car while many s/c's run off the crank of the engine. Since s/c's physically use the engine for power, they rob some power to start working. Turbo's don't necessarily rob power since they are 'recycling' (so to speak) the air and using that to spin the fan blades. Turbo's also suffer from turbo lag which means there is a certain amount of time before the turbo starts making power (but I'm not saying that s/c's don't have some lag either). Turbo's are usually much more high maintenance and alot more tuning is involved (depending on the numbers being reached). Superchargers have proven to be quite reliable with somewhat less tuning needed. You may be lessening the life of your engine with an s/c since it can go into boost much more easily but in my case, I know more than a few people who don't find it difficult to stay out of boost. It also depends on how well you take care of your engine and car.
Those are the basics but if I missed something or something's not right, someone else please post up. It really depends on the amount of money you have, the numbers you're trying to reach, reliability, etc. You just have to do your research; read posts in the boost forum, read the FAQ's (alot of good info on FI there), and use the search feature to help find answers before posting.
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Very good write up Filip
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i didnt know Turbo was so high maintenance.
They are more high maintenance because you have more parts involved into running a proper setup.
With an supercharger setup, you have mainly the supercharger, the manifold, the belt and pulley as far as physical parts.
With a turbo you have the manifold, the turbocharger (also there could be lots of things that could go wrong inside the turbocharger), the downpipe (worrying about how much clearance you have is also an issue), the intercooler piping (worrying about how well they are placed can be an issue or if a clamp gets loose etc), the intercooler itself, vacuum lines, the oil lines....that's all I can think of off the top of my head.
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You have the Izuzu Performance header don't you
Yes I do!
Thanks Adam, its all due to everyone on the org and people on here as helpful as you!
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Great Information! I'd be lost without ya guyZ. Yeah im a Newbie and didnt even know About the Search option. ill definitly do some research on the two boosts. Still up in the Air. Whoever created this site def. Knows what theyre Doing. ItZ Very Well layed Out, very Structured. I wish theyre was more J Body Enthusiasts where i Live. (Alberta, Canada)
