Sup folks, i've a lot of searching and now i need opinions. I got a 96 2.2 and i just found out that i will be father soon. I been wanting to boost the car, but i know the money will need to go toward the baby. I do have another car, which will probably go to her whenever she needs to get around. But the engine is down on the 2.2 and i can either just put the regular 2.2 back in there or build the 2.2 i currently have. They say I threw a rod so i'm guessing i would need to replacement the rods. Look, im confused someone please just some advice on what i should do. Build the motor for longevity and future boost or for a quick fix. And what i'm i looking at price wise. thanx
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3400 v6. The stock engine alone is going to get you more power than you'll get out of a stock 2.2 on boost.
SHOoff wrote:3400 v6. The stock engine alone is going to get you more power than you'll get out of a stock 2.2 on boost.
NOT
/Wayne Campbell
fortune cookie say:
better a delay than a disaster.
hey come on folks lets focus here. im still a little in the dark
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Best advice I have is this. Get a good used 2.2 and install a few mild upgrades like stamped 1.6 rockers and maybe a header and intake. Keep it close to stock for reliability and cost reasons. Save the old engine. Put it in a garage, or a basement, or a friend's closet and build it slowly over the long term as you have time and $$. This way you can watch for deals on parts and you don't get buried in a position where you have to spend $$ you don't have. Play it safe with your money since you'll probably need it elsewhere.
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Very well said slow. I just need to find a place in which to store the old engine once out. Would you recommend putting a header on even though I have the log style for the turbo? Or who makes a header for the 2.2 at a reasonable cost.
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Okay, a 3400 V6, you have my attention, what did you do to make it happen, like what kinds of things did you need to change to make it work, what about computer and wiring, as much info as youre willing to give would be awesome and greatly appreciated.
check out my post in the second gen forum
93 2.2 header 2.25exhaust 115t 93hp (all at the wheels) thats not far from the 3400 stock (exp if the 3400 is a auto)
with roller cam (94 and up block) roller rockers and higher comp with lightend pullys i hope for 200 or so at the flywheel (more perf and less weight than the 3400)
so it can b done
oh and as far as reliabillity this will b a low reving engine so wear and tear will b minimal
so i looked up the pacesetter header and the roller rockers from comp cams. Im I on the right track so far, because my sister might let get some of this stuff on her credit card, so i can save for the baby.
See where my priorities are. I just want to get my baby running again.
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Which Comp rockers?
fortune cookie say:
better a delay than a disaster.
Well slow mentioned the 1.6's, but i also seen the 1.5's what is the difference and what would i need to accompany that to make it work. I did do some searching, but maybe you guys could explain it better.
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Unless you're going with a radical cam, you want 1.6. I was actually asking which model from Comp?
Also, I wouldn't bother with doing bolt-ons now (especially if you're going to be replacing them with boost down the road), it's just using up money that could be spent on quality parts later. Find another motor, and build that up when funds allow. Also, building a motor is not worth getting in debt, so leave your sister's credit cards alone
You said you threw a rod, that means the whole motor is probably toast (the head may be salvagable, maybe), just put another stocker in there to get around. You wouldn't even feel the difference from bolt-ons anyway.
fortune cookie say:
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so i looked up the ... roller rockers from comp cams.
Oops! I suggested stamped 1.6 rockers. They're cheap! I know I've bought 'em from Sealed Power but I can't seem to find the part number right now. Give me a few minutes to look through a catalog or two.
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Got the number. R1023R, $4.88 each from Advance Auto.
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Hey hate to bring up an old topic, but I just came into a little money and I still got my car in the backyard. So, i think its time to try and get her fixed. I researched a few places in town and two places are telling me that because of too much fabbing they wont touch my homemade turbo kit. Another place says for $4K they will fully build the 2.2 from the bottom up and throw a 120 shot of N2O. Is 4 grand too much or is that just about how much i shouold be looking at for a full build. Once again please help a brother out.
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first off man you need to figure out what you are building your car to do. if you want an all out bad ass drag racer its def worth the money to build it. but theres alot of parts out there for the ln2 motors you just have to know were to look. my buddy built his own turb kit and hes all stock and he runs low 14's with 8psi. get yourself a good turbo and wastegat and bov and you can pretty much make it work. you do have to do some work with an hp tuner because its the best tuning software for a cavy. you dont gotta spend 4 grand to make it fast.or you can do an ecotec swap. its pretty easy to do. i have full instructions on how to do it from a guy that did the swap and is turning 14 flat all motor with his eco.
hey dude curious is it the 2.2 ohv cause i just put a hp rebuild kit for my car for about $900 but it didnt come with rods and i also bought a turbo kit for it all togethor i spent around $3400 so id say if you got the money do it lol
john zappernick wrote:first off man you need to figure out what you are building your car to do. if you want an all out bad ass drag racer its def worth the money to build it. but theres alot of parts out there for the ln2 motors you just have to know were to look. my buddy built his own turb kit and hes all stock and he runs low 14's with 8psi. get yourself a good turbo and wastegat and bov and you can pretty much make it work. you do have to do some work with an hp tuner because its the best tuning software for a cavy. you dont gotta spend 4 grand to make it fast.or you can do an ecotec swap. its pretty easy to do. i have full instructions on how to do it from a guy that did the swap and is turning 14 flat all motor with his eco.
I dont necessarly need a drag car, I do want to run better than a 18 quarter-mile. Personally if i could trust a shop around here I would put it a 3.8 SC motor and call it a day. Only cause my sister doesnt want just any average person or me and my friends to put this engine in. That and if i dont get the car up and running my mom is gettin it towed away from the house. Its been sittin since March.
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ken meyers wrote:hey dude curious is it the 2.2 ohv cause i just put a hp rebuild kit for my car for about $900 but it didnt come with rods and i also bought a turbo kit for it all togethor i spent around $3400 so id say if you got the money do it lol
Yea its the 2.2 ohv and what all is included in that rebuild kit and where did you it?
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http://www.importperformanceparts.net/ you can pretty much build a full 2200 on that site. the l67 3.8 sc would be a bad ass swap. but if you look at the racing page and look at the 1/4 mile honor roll there runing 14's on a stock 2200
lol thats where i got it haha weird i love that place ty john
john zappernick wrote:http://www.importperformanceparts.net/ you can pretty much build a full 2200 on that site. the l67 3.8 sc would be a bad ass swap. but if you look at the racing page and look at the 1/4 mile honor roll there runing 14's on a stock 2200
I have no problem sticking with the 2.2, but i just want to know should i keep with the boosted dream or let this shop build the motor and gas it up. I would just like to know what i would come out better doing.
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With most projects, the more you know how to do yourself, the more money you can save. Turbocharging a car requires knowledge above and beyond the average shop's skillset and even beyond some performance shop's skills. In addition to the work of routing the exhaust, the intake, the oil and coolant plumbing, there's also the job of picking the correct injectors and setting up the fuel and ignition system to work correctly. When there's no complete "kit" available, a shop needs to be able to locate all necessary pieces, confirm they will work together, then assemble everything. You get to pay for their time. You get to pay while they shop the internet, or call vendors, or while they bolt parts together only to find the parts don't fit as intended. You get to pay while they or a sublet shop builds any custom pieces needed to finish the job. And your car is going to be down for the count while they are trying to get the job done. In addition to adding the turbo, there's also the job of building an engine for a turbo. This is a separate operation completely from the work mentioned above. You can use anything from a stock engine all the way to a piece with forged pistons, aftermarket rods and cam, ported head, and full balance job. Just having the engine built could easily cost over $2k if you choose to let a machine shop and magazine / web articles guide you with parts selection. Again, it's on you to pay for the time and parts required to get the job done.
You'll have to decide whether or not to keep with the boosted dream. I waited for 8 years to add a turbo to my 93 Cav. I started with the idea that I'd like to do it, and a very rough notion of what I'd need for parts to get the job done. As time went on I learned more about what the turbo install required and what the car didn't have. I actually went out and bought a turbo car along the way and I spent many, many hours tweaking the computer tuning and learning exactly what the turbo engine did and didn't like. And when I finally converted the 93 to turbo I did it in a bare bones, no frills method which kept cost down and reliability up. After 3 years of driving it I decided to build a "real" engine to go with the turbo, so now I'm looking at another couple of years while I get an engine built and find another car to put it in.
If you decide to go with the turbo expect to invest either time, or money, or both in order to make the project successful. If you decide that the project may take a couple of years, ask youself if it would be better to get another engine to build or to take your car out of service. If you're going to use your engine, think about planning a build which adds a little performance without making the engine unfriendly to the turbo (high compression pistons and large overlap cam, for example). You might try setting a target budget then research the parts you'll need and see how close you are to hitting the budget. If you make your list but still don't know whether or not you have all the parts you'll need, consider that a warning that you need to learn more about a turbo system.
The easiest and least expensive answer is to get some bolt on parts for the car so you can enjoy a mild performance increase right now while you decide whether or not you're going to build a killer NA engine or a forced induction monstah. At least that way you won't get bored while you wait.
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i feel that. i guess the most important thing right now is to make sure it runs right. I just don't want to keep looking back saying what I wish I had done at the time.
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