why is it anytime somone makes a post about cobalts on here theres going to be without a doubt posts saying how they arnt good cars? ive owned both a cav and a balt and can say both have theres pro's and cons...so seriously whats with all the hate for the delta's?
Don't worry, someone will complain with just about any car that gets posted on here. You'll see the Cobalt rants more often because it is most similar in terms to the J-Body.
Some people just have to complain about something, I guess it makes them feel like a real man. Or maybe it's...jealousy? Personally I think it's way above the j-body in every aspect.
people who complain havent owned a cobalt, having owned a cavalier Z24 Supercharged and now owning a 2006 Cobalt SS S/C there really isnt a comparison. The car is such a nice step up form the cavalier
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I don't own a cobalt, and I don't complain.
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the cobalt is a great little car for the money. i to have owned a jbody and i loved that car. but i traded it in for the cobalt because i wanted something faster and newer. the cobalts a lot more nicer ride. its built alot better and has some nice little things in it that the cavalier and sunfire didnt have. im happy with it and plain to buy another one in a few years.
My family has an Ion, and I do. Although, to be fair, I'm not ever really saying "Deltas suck". I'm letting their owners know that, no matter what they may like to think....Deltas aren't made of gold, and aren't gods gift to man. They are a step up from J's...in the exact same sense that a third gen is a step up from a second. Nothing more than that.
ummm the cobalt is a step up from a j, take a Z24 compared to a cobalt ss stock for stock, the cobalt takes every category, looks, handling, performance, build quality, interior, breaking, if it wasnt a step up i woulda kept my cavalier lol, also when rated against othe cars in its class, its beats them in almost every category, now comparea a z to a new si, or a gti, or a scion, sorry you cant, just like you cant compare a z to a cobalt ss, thats why gm got rid of the j, to upgrade its entry level cars. peace.
mike distillion wrote:ummm the cobalt is a step up from a j, take a Z24 compared to a cobalt ss stock for stock, the cobalt takes every category, looks, handling, performance, build quality, interior, breaking, if it wasnt a step up i woulda kept my cavalier lol, also when rated against othe cars in its class, its beats them in almost every category, now comparea a z to a new si, or a gti, or a scion, sorry you cant, just like you cant compare a z to a cobalt ss, thats why gm got rid of the j, to upgrade its entry level cars. peace.
Couldnt help but laugh at that
I agree with zero, Ronus and mike.
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Don't worry, someone will complain with just about any car that gets posted on here. You'll see the Cobalt rants more often because it is most similar in terms to the J-Body.
agreed
Yep
SpcmnSpff302 (The Link Master) wrote:My family has an Ion, and I do. Although, to be fair, I'm not ever really saying "Deltas suck". I'm letting their owners know that, no matter what they may like to think....Deltas aren't made of gold, and aren't gods gift to man. They are a step up from J's...in the exact same sense that a third gen is a step up from a second. Nothing more than that.
Yep again.
What makes a car an improvement?
Is it the fact it weighs more? (200-400lbs heavier)
Is it the fact that the interior is smaller then it is predecessor in sedan and coupe?
Is it the fact that the coupe now went to a sub-compact category?
Is it the fact the wheelbase is smaller?
Is it the fact that length is longer while being less roomy
Is it the fact there is not one part in the interior where you will find soft touch plastic rather cheap hard plastic?
Is it the fact you step in the car with leather option and smell plastic?
Is it the fact you need to paint hard plastic to spruce up the interior?
Is it the fact that the leather seats is mostly 75% vinyl--- (p)leather?
Is it the fact it has poor fitment of exterior door panels and wavy bumpers?
Is it the fact there are sharp plastic surrounding the dash, center console and door?
Is it the fact that you need 12psi, S/C, intercooler, and shorter gearing to surpass your predecessor?
Is it the fact that the S/C engine was recalled at one time for engine fires?
Is it the fact that it is 2006 with all the latest technology, its largest engine spit out less power then a 1991 engine?
Is it the fact that same high-tech engine with 25-35 more Hp could only match its predecessor in strait line performance?
Is it the fact that you need to spend $150 per tire to just (meet) the performance grip of your competition?
Is it the fact that you still have heavy understeer, with bump steer because of a antiquated chassis design?
Is it the fact that you still have lousy crash rating as your predecessor?
Is it the fact that the suspension setup is found in in a Corsica or Beretta or its 2nd gen predecessor?
Is it the fact there is a TSB for erratic fuel gauge as your predecessor?
Is it the fact that after a few months of use rattles will start to appear like its predecessor?
Is it the fact that every car magazine rates it last even compared to cars that are older to the market?
Is it the fact that you still need rebates and sell to fleet in order to achieve high sales numbers?
Is it the fact that the resale value is still just as horrible as your predecessor?
Is it the fact that sales fell from one year to the other after only 2 yrs in the market?
Is it the fact that the new model was such a slow seller that the manufacturer had to drop the price by $1500 across the board after its first year of sales?
So if these traits make a car an "improvement" or "step-up" somebody needs to re-write the book on how to judge cars.
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Mr.Goodwrench-G.T. wrote:RaiLS wrote:Quote:
Don't worry, someone will complain with just about any car that gets posted on here. You'll see the Cobalt rants more often because it is most similar in terms to the J-Body.
agreed
Yep
SpcmnSpff302 (The Link Master) wrote:My family has an Ion, and I do. Although, to be fair, I'm not ever really saying "Deltas suck". I'm letting their owners know that, no matter what they may like to think....Deltas aren't made of gold, and aren't gods gift to man. They are a step up from J's...in the exact same sense that a third gen is a step up from a second. Nothing more than that.
Yep again.
What makes a car an improvement?
Is it the fact it weighs more? (200-400lbs heavier)
Is it the fact that the interior is smaller then it is predecessor in sedan and coupe?
Is it the fact that the coupe now went to a sub-compact category?
Is it the fact the wheelbase is smaller?
Is it the fact that length is longer while being less roomy
Is it the fact there is not one part in the interior where you will find soft touch plastic rather cheap hard plastic?
Is it the fact you step in the car with leather option and smell plastic?
Is it the fact you need to paint hard plastic to spruce up the interior?
Is it the fact that the leather seats is mostly 75% vinyl--- (p)leather?
Is it the fact it has poor fitment of exterior door panels and wavy bumpers?
Is it the fact there are sharp plastic surrounding the dash, center console and door?
Is it the fact that you need 12psi, S/C, intercooler, and shorter gearing to surpass your predecessor?
Is it the fact that the S/C engine was recalled at one time for engine fires?
Is it the fact that it is 2006 with all the latest technology, its largest engine spit out less power then a 1991 engine?
Is it the fact that same high-tech engine with 25-35 more Hp could only match its predecessor in strait line performance?
Is it the fact that you need to spend $150 per tire to just (meet) the performance grip of your competition?
Is it the fact that you still have heavy understeer, with bump steer because of a antiquated chassis design?
Is it the fact that you still have lousy crash rating as your predecessor?
Is it the fact that the suspension setup is found in in a Corsica or Beretta or its 2nd gen predecessor?
Is it the fact there is a TSB for erratic fuel gauge as your predecessor?
Is it the fact that after a few months of use rattles will start to appear like its predecessor?
Is it the fact that every car magazine rates it last even compared to cars that are older to the market?
Is it the fact that you still need rebates and sell to fleet in order to achieve high sales numbers?
Is it the fact that the resale value is still just as horrible as your predecessor?
Is it the fact that sales fell from one year to the other after only 2 yrs in the market?
Is it the fact that the new model was such a slow seller that the manufacturer had to drop the price by $1500 across the board after its first year of sales?
So if these traits make a car an "improvement" or "step-up" somebody needs to re-write the book on how to judge cars.
Damn! I haven't even driven one yet so I guess I really don't have an opinion on them. I do like the looks of them though, I raced one once too but I can't really say that counts.
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I don't mind the Delta's, but I'm in no hurry to "upgrade" to one. I personally like my cav way more than any SS/RL I've driven.
Im sorry but when I get rid of the cavalier, im not going to purchase the newer equivalent of the cavalier. I would like to actually make an upgrade...something that doesn't moan like an old man waking up in the morning or something that has a more professional aura than something that screams High school/college kid.
we talk negative about the coblt in threads because when people make a thread about the cobalt, they make it sound like a friggin ferrari. Its called a reality check. Is it an upgrade from a cav? i guess. But a lot of poeple make it sound like God's gift to cars
Havent been on here in a while and still I see this retard preaching garbage to innocent children.
Is it the fact it weighs more? (200-400lbs heavier) things are no longer made from cardbaord
Is it the fact that the interior is smaller then it is predecessor in sedan and coupe? 6 footers easily fit in the cobalt
Is it the fact that the coupe now went to a sub-compact category? what the @!#$ does that have to do with anything.
Is it the fact the wheelbase is smaller? better turning radius
Is it the fact that length is longer while being less roomy - goes hand in hand with wheelbase, 6 footers again
Is it the fact there is not one part in the interior where you will find soft touch plastic rather cheap hard plastic? interior is much better than any cavi etc.
Is it the fact you step in the car with leather option and smell plastic? now you're just making stuff up
Is it the fact you need to paint hard plastic to spruce up the interior? better looking interior O NO!
Is it the fact that the leather seats is mostly 75% vinyl--- (p)leather? GM is cheap you of all ppl should know that.
Is it the fact it has poor fitment of exterior door panels and wavy bumpers? 05 first year? any GM car is not known for the build quality
Is it the fact there are sharp plastic surrounding the dash, center console and door? have you ever been in one?
Is it the fact that you need 12psi, S/C, intercooler, and shorter gearing to surpass your predecessor? you dont need @!#$ the cavi was outdated and left behind the year after it came out.
Is it the fact that the S/C engine was recalled at one time for engine fires? LIE - you're full of @!#$!
Is it the fact that it is 2006 with all the latest technology, its largest engine spit out less power then a 1991 engine? 4 banger vs a v6 , dumbass
Is it the fact that same high-tech engine with 25-35 more Hp could only match its predecessor in strait line performance? Cavi handling? i don't think so
Is it the fact that you need to spend $150 per tire to just (meet) the performance grip of your competition? they are stock of course they are @!#$.
Is it the fact that you still have heavy understeer, with bump steer because of a antiquated chassis design? and previous cars didnt?
Is it the fact that you still have lousy crash rating as your predecessor? GM at its finest
Is it the fact that the suspension setup is found in in a Corsica or Beretta or its 2nd gen predecessor? GM at its finest
Is it the fact there is a TSB for erratic fuel gauge as your predecessor? GM at its finest, other cars dont have TSB's?
Is it the fact that after a few months of use rattles will start to appear like its predecessor? GM at its finest
Is it the fact that every car magazine rates it last even compared to cars that are older to the market? you should learn how to read. I read new age mags
Is it the fact that you still need rebates and sell to fleet in order to achieve high sales numbers? GM is going bankrupt, you cut ur loses.
Is it the fact that the resale value is still just as horrible as your predecessor? It's a domestic
Is it the fact that sales fell from one year to the other after only 2 yrs in the market? Tougher compitetion than back in the 1800's when you bought cars
Is it the fact that the new model was such a slow seller that the manufacturer had to drop the price by $1500 across the board after its first year of sales? See previous replies
All and all you just an idiot. But at least you keep trying. For all those that pay attention note any person that argues that a cavi is better than a cobalt is retarded and needs help.
Mr.Goodwrench-G.T. once again you have take stupidity to a new level, suggestion: stay on this forum cuz you go anywhere else and you'll get torn apart. Have a nice day.
Any GM car is not know for build quality... Well you must be hanging around the Wrong cars.
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Rutager Smith wrote:Havent been on here in a while and still I see this retard preaching garbage to innocent children.
Is it the fact it weighs more? (200-400lbs heavier) things are no longer made from cardbaord
since when was anything made out of cardboard in the cavalier? besides the spare tire cover
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Is it the fact that the interior is smaller then it is predecessor in sedan and coupe? 6 footers easily fit in the cobalt
6 footers also fit in cavaliers, but that doesnt mean the interior is the same size
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Is it the fact that the coupe now went to a sub-compact category? what the @!#$ does that have to do with anything.
sub-compact means smaller. Usualy when a car is an upgrade, it either is the same size or bigger
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Is it the fact the wheelbase is smaller? better turning radius
better turning radius MAYBE, better handling? no. you want a bigger wheel base for better handling
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Is it the fact that length is longer while being less roomy - goes hand in hand with wheelbase, 6 footers again
how does this go hand in hand with wheel base? the wheel base is SHORTER therefore, the overall length should be SHORTER, and a 6 footer can also fit in a cav, but a better comparison wuld be a 350z as a 6 footer can fit in there but we all know that there is far less room in the interior of that car than a cav or a cobalt. Just cuz a 6 foot person can fit in it does not make it roomy
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Is it the fact there is not one part in the interior where you will find soft touch plastic rather cheap hard plastic? interior is much better than any cavi etc.
it may be slightly better than a cav, but still not that great
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Is it the fact you step in the car with leather option and smell plastic? now you're just making stuff up
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Is it the fact you need to paint hard plastic to spruce up the interior? better looking interior O NO!
the fact of the matter is, you shouldnt have to use paint to make an interior look better. it should have better materials period
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Is it the fact that the leather seats is mostly 75% vinyl--- (p)leather? GM is cheap you of all ppl should know that.
ok you agree with this, yet you dispute that the leather interior may smell like plastic? hypocrite?
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Is it the fact it has poor fitment of exterior door panels and wavy bumpers? 05 first year? any GM car is not known for the build quality
then why are you defending it so much?
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Is it the fact there are sharp plastic surrounding the dash, center console and door? have you ever been in one?
he has, hes test driven them
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Is it the fact that you need 12psi, S/C, intercooler, and shorter gearing to surpass your predecessor? you dont need @!#$ the cavi was outdated and left behind the year after it came out.
the base cobalt cant beat a base cav. the engine is practically the same, yet the cobalt is heavier.
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Is it the fact that the S/C engine was recalled at one time for engine fires? LIE - you're full of @!#$!
why would he make up something like this?
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Is it the fact that it is 2006 with all the latest technology, its largest engine spit out less power then a 1991 engine? 4 banger vs a v6 , dumbass
try the Quad4 dumbass
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Is it the fact that same high-tech engine with 25-35 more Hp could only match its predecessor in strait line performance? Cavi handling? i don't think so
what in the blue hell does handling have to do with your argument here? its straight line! its pretty much the best thing a cav can do!
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Is it the fact that you need to spend $150 per tire to just (meet) the performance grip of your competition? they are stock of course they are @!#$.
stock tires on the cavs were far less per tire. that was the argument here.
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Is it the fact that you still have heavy understeer, with bump steer because of a antiquated chassis design? and previous cars didnt?
if its an UPGRADE then why should it have the same characteristics as PREVIOUS CARS!
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Is it the fact that you still have lousy crash rating as your predecessor? GM at its finest
so why are you defending this car?
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Is it the fact that the suspension setup is found in in a Corsica or Beretta or its 2nd gen predecessor? GM at its finest
see above
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Is it the fact there is a TSB for erratic fuel gauge as your predecessor? GM at its finest, other cars dont have TSB's?
no one said that other cars do not have tsb's
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Is it the fact that after a few months of use rattles will start to appear like its predecessor? GM at its finest
so why defend the car
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Is it the fact that every car magazine rates it last even compared to cars that are older to the market? you should learn how to read. I read new age mags
i know how to read, as im sure goodwrench does, and in most cases, the cobalt loses out on every category
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Is it the fact that you still need rebates and sell to fleet in order to achieve high sales numbers? GM is going bankrupt, you cut ur loses.
this response makes no sense
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Is it the fact that the resale value is still just as horrible as your predecessor? It's a domestic
so what if its a domestic? Domestic trucks do not lose resale as fast as the cobalt or cav. Nor do SUV's for that matter. Most cars do not lose as much resale as the cav or cobalt do. Just because its a domestic does not mean that it should lose its resale fast.
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Is it the fact that sales fell from one year to the other after only 2 yrs in the market? Tougher compitetion than back in the 1800's when you bought cars
i think this is the funniest one because goodwrench is actually a year younger than you
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Is it the fact that the new model was such a slow seller that the manufacturer had to drop the price by $1500 across the board after its first year of sales? See previous replies
if a car is so worth it, its price would not go down after one year
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All and all you just an idiot. But at least you keep trying. For all those that pay attention note any person that argues that a cavi is better than a cobalt is retarded and needs help.
Mr.Goodwrench-G.T. once again you have take stupidity to a new level, suggestion: stay on this forum cuz you go anywhere else and you'll get torn apart. Have a nice day.
i fail to see where he says that a cav is better than a cobalt. if anything its like stepping sideways instead of forward. and perhaps you should take your own advice
you all are @!#$ retarted themarin8r and Mr.Goodwrench-G.T the gayest ones out of the bunch. stfu about the cobalt get over the fact @!#$ changes. the j-body was OUTDATED everone new that. the j body got POOR CRASH RATEINGS also. the cobalt passed everyone sept the sides. with the side air bags not offerd in a jbody it passes. the inside of the cobalt is a hell off alot better then a J-body get over it. hard platic?? who gives a @!#$ what its made out of!! at least when u go over a crack in the road it dont sound like its going to fall apart. the cobalt lines are also nicer then a jbody fit and finish. the cobalt keeps right up with any import out there. it outruns the TC with the TRD blower and it will leave a civic SI in its tracks. the only thing people can bitch about on this car is the inside. get the @!#$ over it. theres more to the car then what kind of plastic its made off!!! if you all hate GM cars sell the @!#$ things go buy a import and then stfu. when the cobalt has been out 2 YEARS!! its not going to be perfect. you want to compare it to the imports wait till 2008 then you can. the cobalts are a better car get over it!! you can bitch all you want on how its not but it is. did you ever see a j-body in the top 10 selling cars no.
jbody03eco wrote:you all are @!#$ retarted
Kettle meet Pot.
The Cobalt/ION in NO way are a vast improvement over the cars it replaced. The Cobalts trunk is bigger than the cavs, but what's the sense if you can't fit anything into it through its tiny opening. The only thing the Deltas have over the Jbodies is a factory installed supercharger along with a slightly more stout engine. Which isn't that big of a deal now that the GM SC is out.
jbody03eco wrote:you all are @!#$ retarted themarin8r and Mr.Goodwrench-G.T the gayest ones out of the bunch. stfu about the cobalt get over the fact @!#$ changes. the j-body was OUTDATED everone new that. the j body got POOR CRASH RATEINGS also. the cobalt passed everyone sept the sides. with the side air bags not offerd in a jbody it passes. the inside of the cobalt is a hell off alot better then a J-body get over it. hard platic?? who gives a @!#$ what its made out of!! at least when u go over a crack in the road it dont sound like its going to fall apart. the cobalt lines are also nicer then a jbody fit and finish. the cobalt keeps right up with any import out there. it outruns the TC with the TRD blower and it will leave a civic SI in its tracks. the only thing people can bitch about on this car is the inside. get the @!#$ over it. theres more to the car then what kind of plastic its made off!!! if you all hate GM cars sell the @!#$ things go buy a import and then stfu. when the cobalt has been out 2 YEARS!! its not going to be perfect. you want to compare it to the imports wait till 2008 then you can. the cobalts are a better car get over it!! you can bitch all you want on how its not but it is. did you ever see a j-body in the top 10 selling cars no.
if i remember correctly there was a year where the j-body was in the top 10 because of fleet sales
however, i could be wrong, even tho there are only 5834857348957345734957 j-body's on the road
The cobalt should NOT need air bags to pass a side impact crash rating
many many cars do not need them to pass, why should the cobalt?
and there is far more to bitch about than the interior
themarin8r,
do you do Goodwrench or does he do you, just wondering who wheres the pants?
since when was anything made out of cardboard in the cavalier? besides the spare tire cover
- been in a few thats what i thought about the interior
6 footers also fit in cavaliers, but that doesnt mean the interior is the same size
- havent notcied any decrease in space.
sub-compact means smaller. Usualy when a car is an upgrade, it either is the same size or bigger
- coo
better turning radius MAYBE, better handling? no. you want a bigger wheel base for better handling
- wider is better not nessarily longer.
it may be slightly better than a cav, but still not that great
- sure
the fact of the matter is, you shouldnt have to use paint to make an interior look better. it should have better materials period
- at least you know better yet drive still drive a POS.
ok you agree with this, yet you dispute that the leather interior may smell like plastic? hypocrite?
- fair enough
then why are you defending it so much?
- I own one duh
he has, hes test driven them
- test drove alot cars that doesnt mean I know alot about them
the base cobalt cant beat a base cav. the engine is practically the same, yet the cobalt is heavier.
- why would you buy a base cobalt thats like buying a V6 mustang.
why would he make up something like this?
- cuz ppl believe almost anything he says
try the Quad4 dumbass
- I have never heard of it, for a reason LOL
what in the blue hell does handling have to do with your argument here? its straight line! its pretty much the best thing a cav can do!
- straight line to the garage maybe
stock tires on the cavs were far less per tire. that was the argument here.
- fair enough but you're probly getting prices from GM who charge way more than they're worth
so why are you defending this car?
- see other post
i know how to read, as im sure goodwrench does, and in most cases, the cobalt loses out on every category
- maybe the base
so what if its a domestic? Domestic trucks do not lose resale as fast as the cobalt or cav. Nor do SUV's for that matter. Most cars do not lose as much resale as the cav or cobalt do. Just because its a domestic does not mean that it should lose its resale fast.
- domestic cars have bad resale value period dont care about trunks
i think this is the funniest one because goodwrench is actually a year younger than you
- THIS is my bad, I mistook him for some one else I have talked to before, I'll admit it was stupid on my part.
if a car is so worth it, its price would not go down after one year
- You're not factorying GM going to the @!#$ter and import competition
i fail to see where he says that a cav is better than a cobalt. if anything its like stepping sideways instead of forward. and perhaps you should take your own advice
- If you fail to see why cavi's are @!#$, than there is no hope for you. Stick with you JDM fogs its the best quaility on either of your cars.
