i have 116000 miles on my 98 cavi and i was thinking about building up a new motor. i know no one can give me acurate hp gains, but if i wanted to do 11:1 pistons, lightened crank etc, P&P, larger valves, rocker arms, cams basically replacing everything i can to upgrade the hp and start with basically a new motor, what kind of gains could i expect. i really just want to know if you guys think that this would be worth it for the money. i know about the JBP motor but i really would like to do most of the work myself as i have done the rest of my car solo. the reason i also want to do a 2200 rather than something else is i already have a header, intake, pully, and 2.25" exaust and i really dont want to have to start over
any help would be great.
PS i have searched and nothing really answered my ?s how i would like
brandon
98 cavalier 2dr 5 speed
what i'd do is get yourself a new block, have it machined. have your crank machined. 11:1 pistons, supporting rods, the whole valvetrain (i.e. JBP Stage 2 cam, roller rockers, oversize valves, heavy head work, etc), every bolt on you can think of, heavy ignition upgrades, fuel system upgrades. there's no telling what kind of power you can make. i'm not saying it is going to be RIDICULOUSLY INSANE amount of power, but it's going to be a lot. the best thing you can do is dyno before and after. i'd hate to throw down an estimate and be way off because honestly I can't even begin to give you an estimate.
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thanks i know an estimate would be hard to do unless someone lived in tucson az and would know where to go for both hp and price but do you think for $$$$$ it would be a cost effective way to go? i really did not want to boost or NOS. i really want to be all motor. what about realistic hp gains on individual upgrades? i just have no idea where i am going end up HP wise. i know its a 2200 so not much but would sure love to know i got what i could
you could always try to plug it in using DesktopDyno...
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I'm thinking at least 180hp
with 11:1 compression, you're going to get a nice gain in power
not only would fuel mods benefit you, be sure to upgrade the oil pump, (a good machine shop will know what to do) I'm not sure what people with OHVs do about oil pump issues if anything at all.
Also think about upgrading at least the radiator. Some people say they do, some say they dont, but I know my OHV has a very unstable temperature. I'm going to be doing an inline eletric water pump as well as an aluminum radiator and high torque electric fans to try and keep my friggin car cool
yes indeed i completely forgot about that. cooling system upgrades are a definite must with the 2200. invest in a good fluidyne (sp?) radiator.
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thanks. the first thing i did when i bought my car was upgrade the cooling system, i live in tucson AKA hell (its so bloody hot i can't stand it!!!) and i have had too many friends mess up motors due to overheating. where can i get this desktop dyno from??
you should swap a quad 4 or 2.4 instead even if you have to replace those boltons it will still end up cheaper with alot more power.
"There is no point in looking fast if your not."
if you swapped in a Quad4 you would have to convert to OBDI if I am correct.
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Spotabee Racing wrote:if you swapped in a Quad4 you would have to convert to OBDI if I am correct.
Yeah, and that's illegal in AZ.
The new engine must be from the same year car or newer. Swap in a 2.4, or if you have a lot of free time on your hands, a 3X00. You could pull any of these from a junkyard for a few hundred bucks...definately the most cost-effective power if you have the knowledge and/or time. If yoiu want to get an decent power out of the 2.2 NA it's going to cost you quite a bit of $$$$, but boost is cheap.
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If yoiu want to get an decent power out of the 2.2 NA it's going to cost you quite a bit of $$$$
agreed.
and you would have to convert to odb1...
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thanks guys for all the info. i was not really looking to swap in a diff motor because i did not want to mess with the computer and everything else. basically i wanted to build up a spare and then throw it in when my current motor took a dump or i was done with the other one. i guess i will just have to rethink boosting my car. i guess i will have to do more research into that. is there anyone in tucson or phoenix that has a boosted cavi that knows what they are doing???? i am going to need some help
side note, if anyone needs a larger radiator, i believe eric / jdmcav has a spare one for sale.
i already have a griffin, but he may still have the one for sale.
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If yoiu want to get an decent power out of the 2.2 NA it's going to cost you quite a bit of $$$$
i;d have to slightly disagree.
for what most people have spent on boltons, i;ve gotten and engine rebuilt.i didnt go as extreme with the specs, however if i wanted to the pistons and such could have been way higher compression for the same price.
if you wanna go turbo brandon, check with these guys....
http://cavalierconnection.com/
or check out all the sites for options.
if you wanna get a look at how much things will run ya on a rebuild.
http://www.angelfire.com/md/TOWSONFTBLPLYR/PROject2200.html
that may help you get a feel for what building up a spare will cost, etc. considering many have spent that same amount on bolton engine parts, i figure it to be a low price.
Phlatcav you think your wheels are big enough??
event? have you finished that motor and put it on a dyno yet? prob not right? so as you always say you dont know what you have gained..
"There is no point in looking fast if your not."
brandon,
god I'm become such a whore at this... anyway goto www.azjbo.com. there are 2 people ther that have boosted cavy's and another 2 that use to have a turbo on there cav's
One guy you would talk to is Eric (97cavie24ls(JDM cav sedan™) ) and he's all over JBO & AZJBO. Honsetally, he'll probally find this thread. The other ones here on JBO that can help is Adam (bluejbody) and Brandon (Brandoson ). All 3 are here in phoenix.
If you go into the South Mountian Reagon board and make a post in the
Arizona J-Body Thread, they'd all find you and help out
btw brandon, don't underestimate the 2200
with intake, 4:1 header, full exhaust, motor mounts and trans mounts, and a P&P head my car is in the 15s at the track. only about .3 slower than a 5 speed eco
and since most people can't even drive them as fast as they should be capable of going, I'm actually faster than a lot of 5 speed ecos on here
I've raced a few friends with eco 5 speeds on the interstate to see how my car would hold up and its about dead even. But since they can hold gears slightly longer (higher revlimit), they slowly but steadily creep on me, but never get their back bumper passed my front bumper.
I plan on going turbo, and my goal is 200whp at 10psi, then up the boost to 15psi when I swap in a built bottom end (forged rods and pistons, stock comp ratio, turbo cam)
no idea what I'll be putting down on 15psi but it'll be fun whatever it is =)
just because its not a twin cam doesn't mean it can't be fast nor fun.
DeadBob wrote:brandon,
god I'm become such a whore at this... anyway goto www.azjbo.com. there are 2 people ther that have boosted cavy's and another 2 that use to have a turbo on there cav's
One guy you would talk to is Eric (97cavie24ls(JDM cav sedan™) ) and he's all over JBO & AZJBO. Honsetally, he'll probally find this thread. The other ones here on JBO that can help is Adam (bluejbody) and Brandon (Brandoson ). All 3 are here in phoenix.
If you go into the South Mountian Reagon board and make a post in the Arizona J-Body Thread, they'd all find you and help out
azjbo.com eh? I've been gone too long I guess
anyway, I'm in Chandler if you need any help, still have most of my turbo stuff laying around in my garage too
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Red2.ZCavi (The Slanky One) wrote:Phlatcav you think your wheels are big enough??
event? have you finished that motor and put it on a dyno yet? prob not right? so as you always say you dont know what you have gained..
i didnt make any claims as to what i will gain, so i really dont see how you stating....
"have you finished that motor and put it on a dyno yet? prob not right? so as you always say you dont know what you have gained"
....is even applicable.
i posted that to merely show that people always say rebuilding an engine is soo expensive, when it really isnt when you shop around. hence the reason i posted.
not to estimate, guess, or brag about how much you can or can not gain.
as i;ve pointed out and same many times, there have been people on here to turbo their car for barely over 1000$. and drop a second or two and have it be reliable. others have paid 3000+ for boost and times have gotten slower.
also joe almeida is selling pretty much many race parts such as 12:1 pistons and rods, for like 275$ in the classifieds...
if one shops around, they can find amazing deals on parts...
hes also selling a built transmission with 3.73 gears, a short block i believe, etc...
if one shops around then they can put together a pretty powerful engine for around the price of what some spend on boltons....
thats the quote i disagreed with, thats all...nothing more, nothing less.
so really it doesnt matter if i dynoed my engine or not, obviously it will be more than stock. how much more, really i dont care if its 3hp, or 30. however all the parts on the engine could have been adjusted to be more agressive and the prices would have been the EXACT same, as most all of it (pistons, rods, cams) are custom parts not readily available.
swapping to a quad would be sweet but not worth the cash (at least to me) for the trans. , ECM, wiring, axles, and a lot of time. if you find a donor vehicle that's one thing, but i would never do a swap via ordering parts.
CAR GODS MADE THE 1.6 SOHC TO MAKE US 2.2 OHV GUYS FEEL BETTER.
Red2.ZCavi (The Slanky One) wrote:Phlatcav you think your wheels are big enough??
event? have you finished that motor and put it on a dyno yet? prob not right? so as you always say you dont know what you have gained..
nope, my 24s are on order
