ok what is the reasionable power potenal for this engine
im looking for 200 at the weels is this poss and if so what would it caust
would it be more cost efective to go turbo (keeping in mind that for the 93 i cant use aftermarket injectors)
oh and the engine is mated to a 5 speed tranny


if it is pos what kind of mods am i looking at and what kind of cash

of course its possible. just depends on how much you are willing to spend.



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thats what i am asking what mods would i need and how much it would cost

i would say its not even worth putting the money into that engine in that year of a car. im sure the engine has an ungodly amount of miles, making it even more able to break with too much hp and torque added.

for the price it would cost to add a turbo or any other engine internals, you could get a newer cavalier or even a z24 between the years of 1996 and 1999.

it would cost at least 2,000$ for a turbo setup, and thats not including another 1,000$ for the headers, exhaust piping, and you would need to upgrade your clutch. if you didnt want to do a turbo, and just went N/A, you would still be spending over 2k, because you would need headers, intake, exhaust, and the other goodies, and you still wouldnt be making 200 whp.

so for 3,000$, i bet you could find a newer sweet cavalier. i got my 1996 z24 cavalier with 100,000 miles, already with exhaust, intake and new tires for 2,000$. so i know it is possible.

the potential of ANY 2.2L engine is limited because of the single cam. the twin cam on the 2.4L makes so much more torque and has the possibility of so much more hp.


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it would cost at least 2,000$ for a turbo setup, and thats not including another 1,000$ for the headers, exhaust piping, and you would need to upgrade your clutch.

If you have tools, skills, and a place to work, then you can get the job done for substantially less. Including a used 96 engine, I spent less than $1500 to turbo my 93 Cav.

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it would cost at least 2,000$ for a turbo setup, and thats not including another 1,000$ for the headers, exhaust piping, and you would need to upgrade your clutch.

If you have tools, skills, and a place to work, then you can get the job done for substantially less. Including a used 96 engine, I spent less than $1500 to turbo my 93 Cav.

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this is true, however i dont think he has the tools or skill based on his post (not to flame or anything, im just stating the truth IMO.)

but even spending 1500$, its still into a 1993 car with probably a lot of miles on it. i just am not a fan of dropping thousands into cars that arent worth it. i know some people dont care, but thats just me




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ok first off i do have most of the tools and i do have a place to work on my car
im just not that familer with the 2.2 engine i know that an up grade to the 94+engine would help because of the hydrolic lifters and as far as the milage it only has 100thousand on it and i plan on a full rebuild when i pump up the engine
as far as geting a new car thats out of the question ive alredy got this car painted with a body kit and new suspension as far as the newer engine i just dont know if i wana mess with new motor mounts

my $0.02 is find a busted 2nd gen Z24 with a 2.8, get the engine bay ready for it then grab a new 3.4 short block for a grand. GM made a 2.8 "re-power" you can use the 2.8's manifolds, oil pan. heads, exct. i forget the exact specs of it, but it would be something to google, or maybe someone will post with more knowledge on this specific subject.



CAR GODS MADE THE 1.6 SOHC TO MAKE US 2.2 OHV GUYS FEEL BETTER.

the 94+ has roller lifters and a slightly larger lift cam. But the downside is that it has a lower volume oil pump which should be changed for one from a 93. The 94+ is also slightly higher compression which is a mark on the "minuses" list when turbocharging.

A stock overhaul should be fine for low to medium boost if, and this is a big if, you get the fuel and spark right. I've been flogging my car for over a year now, and the only time I had trouble was when I deliberately turned the timing up too far (don't ask). That cost me a set of rod brgs.

The stock injectors will not support 200hp. At about 4000 rpm, they will not deliver enough fuel to support more than about 4 psi. I had my boost curve set up to drop from 6 psi to about 4 as rpm increased. I switched to using injectors from a Saturn TBI, but that required changing some chips and resistors inside the ecm and most people seem scared of that. (Someone wanna 'splain why it's not scary to change intake, exhaust, add turbo, change fuel pump, overhaul engine, change springs, change brakes, and do all sorts of other things, while a little soldering causes cold sweats?) Look for posts on converting the intake to use top feed injectors.

As far as car value, here's my perspective. The car is worth nothing when you own it. It only becomes worth cash if you try to sell it, or if it's damaged and you're filing an insurance claim. Since selling it means you no longer have the car, it's really only worth something if it's gone. So if you don't expect to get rid of it, don't worry about what it's "worth." It's worth what you want to put into it.

Just another backward way of looking at things.

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slow what kind of et and hp ratings are you seing oh and if i sent you a spare ecm would you mod it for me so itl work with a turbo
also how much did your settup caust

Sorry, no hp or et #'s. I haven't taken it to the track yet, and don't feel like spending $$ on a dyno right now. The car's non-intercooled and I use regular unleaded, so I don't push the boost too high. I built it 'cause people used to walk all over that car in traffic and on the highway. I'm just happy they don't do that anymore.

The setup was cheap in terms of $$, cause I saved up the parts and 'cause I "have connections." The turbo and ecm came from a turbo Sunbird when a local yard was having a "strip a car for $30" day. The injectors came from 2 different junkyards, I think I paid $60 for 5. The exhaust on it now was custom bent and cost $250-$300, including the Dynomax muffler and high flow cat. The Cavalier exhaust manifold that I cut up and welded cost $35. I took a couple of trips to the junkyard to get buckets of rubber elbows and fittings, and I stripped a bunch of V6 Cavvy radiator related parts and scored a big K&N filter, total maybe $100. The v6 radiator came from Advance Auto, but I know someone who works there so I got a better price. I spent maybe $150 more buying stupid little things that I didn't happen to have in my collection of used parts, like the v6 Cavalier lower rad hose, fittings to connect the upper hose pieces, fittings to connect the coolant and oil lines of the turbo, along with various gaskets.


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