Has anyone tried to bore out a 2.2L block? What was the max diplacement you have gotten?
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around 2.4 or 2.5, but that was a stroker kit which is no longer available....
with displacement, theres more to "boring out a block" than that...
are you gonna use reg pistons, or work with someone to do a stroker kit? high comp or low comp....
also the more you bore the less materials on the walls, the easier it is to overheat the walls by havin em too thin....
theres alot more to it then just trying to shove the largest diam pistons you can find when looking for displacement.
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around 2.4 or 2.5, but that was a stroker kit which is no longer available....
What was the crank from? Was it the z24 engine?
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with displacement, theres more to "boring out a block" than that...
Of course, but I was thinking more about cylinder wall removal.
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are you gonna use reg pistons, or work with someone to do a stroker kit? high comp or low comp....
First I must see how large I can get the displacement, or what crank I can use for the stroker. After that then I will have Eagle cut a set for me. Since Turboing my Sunfire isn't as friendly as turboing a cav I will build an N/A car.
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also the more you bore the less materials on the walls, the easier it is to overheat the walls by havin em too thin....
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-nah it was a custom ground crank.... they added material then reground it....
-in my view, i wouldnt pass .040, just outta safety.... havent really seen higher than that, gotta keep in mind we only drive 4 cylinders, and theres not alot of material to begin with. clean up the walls, but add you displacement by way of the pistons/rods/crank stroke....
-turboing a sunfire isnt a friendly as turboing a cav????? they are the same exact car besides body panel difference and the engine choices....
the same engines that are in sunfires are in cavaliers......
wayyy back in the day there used to be a place called dragevolution and they used to sell a nice stroker kit which bumped up the power numbers to around what a regular 2.4 would do
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Rodimus Prime wrote:wayyy back in the day there used to be a place called dragevolution and they used to sell a nice stroker kit which bumped up the power numbers to around what a regular 2.4 would do
yup thats the company my first post was in reference to.
wouldnt wast the time and money time for a motor swap cheaper easier much more reliable
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neongreencavi wrote:wouldnt wast the time and money time for a motor swap cheaper easier much more reliable
Sorry but how do you figure that a motor swap would be cheaper and easier than working the motor out? If you do the price ranges, he might actually come out breaking even and come out with more power if he was to swap an ECOTEC in.
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NJs Honda Killa wrote:neongreencavi wrote:wouldnt wast the time and money time for a motor swap cheaper easier much more reliable
Sorry but how do you figure that a motor swap would be cheaper and easier than working the motor out? If you do the price ranges, he might actually come out breaking even and come out with more power if he was to swap an ECOTEC in.
swap an LD9. easier. cheaper. just as much can be done to it.
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Spotabee Racing wrote:NJs Honda Killa wrote:neongreencavi wrote:wouldnt wast the time and money time for a motor swap cheaper easier much more reliable
Sorry but how do you figure that a motor swap would be cheaper and easier than working the motor out? If you do the price ranges, he might actually come out breaking even and come out with more power if he was to swap an ECOTEC in.
swap an LD9. easier. cheaper. just as much can be done to it.
True but that's not the issue. The issue is finding one with low mileage. The newest motor your going to find is off an 2002 J-body which is about 3 years old (if your lucky enough to find a 2002 2.4 motor). The ECOTECs are cheap also and you can find a 2003 motor with extremely low mileage or even an 04 or 05.
Another reason I say the ECOTEC motor is because your talking about newer technology is being available for it and more aftermarket support (even by GM).
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mileage isn't an issue if you rebuild it... which SHOULD BE DONE before performing a swap on any motor with over 60k miles. it's just a good idea.
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Spotabee Racing wrote:mileage isn't an issue if you rebuild it... which SHOULD BE DONE before performing a swap on any motor with over 60k miles. it's just a good idea.
WELL no one mentioned rebuilding a motor...they just said swapping....not everyone can afford a grand more to rebuild the motor but you are correct, if you have the motor out, swap the parts while it's out.
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NJs Honda Killa wrote:Spotabee Racing wrote:mileage isn't an issue if you rebuild it... which SHOULD BE DONE before performing a swap on any motor with over 60k miles. it's just a good idea.
WELL no one mentioned rebuilding a motor...they just said swapping....not everyone can afford a grand more to rebuild the motor but you are correct, if you have the motor out, swap the parts while it's out.
at least replace bearings and gaskets and such
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every time... you people know jack about the OHV and what its true potential is, so just stop posting in OHV threads... you don't know anything about it, have nothing constructive to add, and just make fools of yourselves. For the amount it costs to swap an eco or LD9 and get a 30 hp gain over a stock ohv you could custom build a turbo kit and make 80 hp over stock. And guess what, blow up an OHV, and you can buy a 20K mile replacement for $200... i don't see that happening too often with eco's and LD9's.
To answer the original question, the most you can safely bore an OHV is probably about a millimeter, roughly equivalent to .040. Which only bumps displacement up about 50 cc's, and in the end isn't going to amount to much. More power is to be gained through cams, portwork, and compression than displacement, unless you do find someone to build a custom crank and rods for you to do a stroker kit. The 2.4 is a completely different engine and the crank will not interchange.
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Spotabee Racing wrote:NJs Honda Killa wrote:neongreencavi wrote:wouldnt wast the time and money time for a motor swap cheaper easier much more reliable
Sorry but how do you figure that a motor swap would be cheaper and easier than working the motor out? If you do the price ranges, he might actually come out breaking even and come out with more power if he was to swap an ECOTEC in.
swap an LD9. easier. cheaper. just as much can be done to it.
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why does everyone think that swapping in a ld9 or ecotec is the answer to a 2.2ohv engine...
blah blah blah more power stock, yes we all know that, however, look at the majority of this site.... alot of people are frugal with money. wont spend 200$ on a camshaft a more integral part of the engine, but will blow 200$ or more on an intake....
the avg car here is running 15;s maybe 14;s....and 15;s was already accomplished by a bodykited 3 speed 2.2 ohv automatic with basic boltons.....
realistically, you spend what? a few hundred dollars to gain 20-30HP, or a few thousand if you pay someone to do the swap for you, like a shop....
or you can gain that by rebuilding what you have... or for less depending on your knowledge, money issue, etc... a spare 2.2 ohv can be gotten for under 200$
dont get me wrong...2.4, ecotec.... like my sig says.... solid.
however i;ve seen alot of people do the swap, then sit around complaining that now they have to buy TWO camshafts....
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2 of this or that, etc.....
so most go through so much crap just to be on par with a stock twin cammed engine and you can list, you swapped a motor....
HP isnt everything in motorsports fellas...and no its not the only thing either for someone gets smartarsed
i also believe that anyone can afford a grand if not 2 grand to rebuild a motor.... find a place that takes installments.... i didnt pay mine off in a day, or a month. even if you have to get a part time job as i am doing now for stuff you want....
just my view...
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swap an LD9. easier. cheaper. just as much can be done to it.
motor swaps are not easy a lot of components are needed. Finding everything you need in a local junk yard could in theory be cheap, but I've never seen a Z24 drivetrain or Ecotec drivetrain go for less than $1500
the OHV is not as incapable as everyone thinks it is. Myself, as well as a few of my peers have shown that in the past, and will show it in the near future.
Scarab (Jersey Jay 1.8T) wrote:every time... you people know jack about the OHV and what its true potential is, so just stop posting in OHV threads... you don't know anything about it, have nothing constructive to add, and just make fools of yourselves. For the amount it costs to swap an eco or LD9 and get a 30 hp gain over a stock ohv you could custom build a turbo kit and make 80 hp over stock. And guess what, blow up an OHV, and you can buy a 20K mile replacement for $200... i don't see that happening too often with eco's and LD9's.
To answer the original question, the most you can safely bore an OHV is probably about a millimeter, roughly equivalent to .040. Which only bumps displacement up about 50 cc's, and in the end isn't going to amount to much. More power is to be gained through cams, portwork, and compression than displacement, unless you do find someone to build a custom crank and rods for you to do a stroker kit. The 2.4 is a completely different engine and the crank will not interchange.
Jay, I agree with you. I know there is alot of potential in any motor if you build it correclty. Swapping a motor is a cop out in my opinion and it's a waste of money. Swapping a 2.2 OHV to an ECO is kind of dumb for 20 HP, unless you plan on building it but you can do the same to the OHV motor.
Like I said before...keep the motor and build it up.
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well damn, jay beat me to it...
