Im really not into preformance stuff, but im guessing i can trust you guys?????

I want an exhaust......... I have an automatic ( ) ya, but i have a nice cavalier, but its silent, i could drive past you and never even see my car, cause you cant hear it, i just want something to make it noticable, but i dont wanna be the kid with the automatic "racecar" with the loud ass mufler. What do you sugguest?

explain Catback exhaust as upposed to just a muffler?????????? what are some descent brands?

a catback exhaust replaces the piping from the catalytic converter back to the muffler, usually opening up the pipe diameter to 2.25", and of course a high flow muffler. the best way to get a good gain is to replace the entire exhaust, because an exhaust can truly only flow as well as its smallest opening. so if you want a good performing exhaust setup, you need to purchase a header (search around for best prices, places to buy, brands, designs, etc). The header package will include the header and b pipe, which bolts up to your stock catalytic converter. The cheapest way to go is pick up a cheap muffler on ebay, take the car to a good exhaust shop, and have them bend you a custom 2.25" catback. I paid $100 for mine, which is cheaper than the HORRIBLE Pacesetter catbacks (that rust and fall apart) and mine is pretty premium quality. It may not be chrome or shiny, but it performs. If you want it moderately quiet and most of the buzzing reduced, purchase a resonator (basically a glasspack) from say Magnaflow. A 20" resonator will make your car very quiet (but noticeable) and deep pitched. Hope this helps you out man.




I was a retard, and now I'm permanently banned.

A Cat-back exhaust system is referring to your piping from your catalytic converter and back to your mufflers and also includes your mufflers. When you upgrade it, it's talking about getting a bigger size. Stock your about 2", so a good upgrade would be to 2 1/4". By upgrading it, your allowing more exhaust flow to go through which will result in making your car louder.

For a muffler, I would suggest Magnaflow or Borla's oval style mufflers. I personally have a muffler and I've heard Borlas in person also and both sound great and flow good as well.

The reason most cars you hear with cat-backs that sound loud is because people don't add resonators. A resonator quiet down the tone of your exhaust and also make it deeper sounding. By doing this it will give you a great tone, a bit better performance (even though that's not necessarily what your looking for) and you'll get noticed more.

You have different options of getting an cat-back...either buy it or get it custom made.
If you get it custom made, following the above of what I said. If you buy a complete set, check out Magnaflow, Borla or Thermal's cat-back setups...they sound pretty decent.

If you need anymore help or have anymore questions, just ask.

Good luck.



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thanks alot, real good info, ill read up more tomorrow, bed time

Your welcome



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i'd recommend borla. they sound amazing. i've yet to hear borla sound bad on a car.

jwagg wrote:Im really not into preformance stuff, but im guessing i can trust you guys?????

I want an exhaust......... I have an automatic ( ) ya, but i have a nice cavalier, but its silent, i could drive past you and never even see my car, cause you cant hear it, i just want something to make it noticable, but i dont wanna be the kid with the automatic "racecar" with the loud ass mufler. What do you sugguest?

explain Catback exhaust as upposed to just a muffler?????????? what are some descent brands?

in all reality though, you dont wanna be "the kid......."

but you simply want noise, but no performance.... you want attention, but when it comes to you, and you cant back it up with performance, you become that kid.


horsepower makes noise, noised doesnt make horsepower.

start adding some actual performance parts to your car if you dont wanna become that kid.

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wow your loud what do you do now ?? dude all after market sound good the was must cheaper after market muffler do (all the do) but like they said spend a bit of money and let your car breath heaer high flow cat and the cat back kit if you dont want that much get a good cat back system so in the future if you want to go headers you are ready to go just make sure you dont sound like a honda !!! (lol)

thermal also sound good. thats what i have



Im a Xbox 360 fanboy...and damn proud of it!!

hey theres nothing wrong with an "automatic racecar" as long as you dont throw some rediculous crap on it and make it sound like an angry can of bees.
just save up some money and get a nice exhaust that actually gives you some performance. i have an automatic ecotec and realized its not all that slow compared to honda manuals ... i want to do something with my exhaust eventually..

PAKIPOWER wrote:just make sure you dont sound like a honda !!! (lol)

that was both the most retarded remedial and pointless statement to date.....


sound like a honda?

all 4 cylinders have roughly the same sound range...

its not brand specific.

Dam-it Muffins (Event) wrote:

PAKIPOWER wrote:just make sure you dont sound like a honda !!! (lol)

that was both the most retarded remedial and pointless statement to date.....


sound like a honda?

all 4 cylinders have roughly the same sound range...

its not brand specific.

I think he meant: make sure you don't sound like the typical honda.


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Dam-it Muffins (Event) wrote:

PAKIPOWER wrote:just make sure you dont sound like a honda !!! (lol)

that was both the most retarded remedial and pointless statement to date.....


sound like a honda?

all 4 cylinders have roughly the same sound range...

its not brand specific.

I think he meant: make sure you don't sound like the typical honda.

typical honda? so what exactly does that sound like?

reality is, the typical honda will sound like the typical cavalier, the typical neon, the typical focus and any other 4 or 3 cylinder car you can add in there...

if you half arse your exhaust system.

no one can deny that.


just sayin, but last i checked hondas werent magically the only 4 cylinder.

high pitched noise from an exhaust isnt honda specific nor a honda thing.

^^^He's speaking of fartcans...I believe


It's a four banger, you gotta bang it four times to get it goin'....

Dam-it Muffins (Event) wrote:

jwagg wrote:Im really not into preformance stuff, but im guessing i can trust you guys?????

I want an exhaust......... I have an automatic ( ) ya, but i have a nice cavalier, but its silent, i could drive past you and never even see my car, cause you cant hear it, i just want something to make it noticable, but i dont wanna be the kid with the automatic "racecar" with the loud ass mufler. What do you sugguest?

explain Catback exhaust as upposed to just a muffler?????????? what are some descent brands?

in all reality though, you dont wanna be "the kid......."

but you simply want noise, but no performance.... you want attention, but when it comes to you, and you cant back it up with performance, you become that kid.


horsepower makes noise, noised doesnt make horsepower.

start adding some actual performance parts to your car if you dont wanna become that kid.

.

ya, horsepower makes noise, but you know what makes horsepower??? MONEY and im not concerned about performance, the farthest ill go is intake and exhaust, but before i do that, im making sure my car looks good, i dont care if it goes 20mph floored, as long as it looks good, kids dont rly know what fast is.....i can punch it and i look fast, but in reality my 2.2 isnt, but joe shmoe doesnt know that.........so i can "sound fast" and thats just enough for me, but im not gonna go get some crappy exhaust from ebay, thats 30 bucks, im gonna get a good one, and if i can get a hp or two out of it, great......but i dont care, the more horsepower i have, the more likely i am i kill myself

horsepower doesnt always cost money (or more so lots of it).....use your brain before spouting out BS.

for starters, basic boltons are what you are adding, and you can add a whole bunch, but its highly doubtful you are gonna add basic boltons and have so much power you CANT control it....

BE REALISTIC.


basically you plan to buy an intake and exhaust, and thats a decent start. so you are gonna spend money. unless you planned to drill holes in your stock setup.


if you plan to get a good exhaust, then obviously you are gonna gain power. intake as well. but guess what... to get something decent....YOU ARE GONNA SPEND MONEY.....





EVERYONE will know how fast your car is.... you;ll be the idiot making alot of noise, but when someone challenges you to race, you will either admit you are slow, or always back out....

this is what most people call posers...

EVERYONE knows your type. you make alot of noise to gain attention and make everyone THINK you are fast, but when you get attention you act like a puss and back out..


theres no such thing as "SOUNDING FAST" you're either FAST, or NOT. simple as that.


above you said

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but i dont wanna be the kid with the automatic "racecar" with the loud ass mufler

and then later said....

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i can punch it and i look fast, but in reality my 2.2 isnt, but joe shmoe doesnt know that.........so i can "sound fast" and thats just enough for me,

so basically you contradict yourself...

you dont wanna be the kid with the loud arse muffler, but you wanna try and fool people into thinking you are fast by revving your engine and praying some idiots on the street think you "sound fast"

its 2005 and 2 fast and furious movies have been out... if you think no one is gonna figure out you're making alot of noise and going no where, think again.

PAKIPOWER wrote:wow your loud what do you do now ?? dude all after market sound good the was must cheaper after market muffler do (all the do) but like they said spend a bit of money and let your car breath heaer high flow cat and the cat back kit if you dont want that much get a good cat back system so in the future if you want to go headers you are ready to go just make sure you dont sound like a honda !!! (lol)

Either your typing to fast or your just tired but damn! Proof read or preview before you hit the "Post" button. LoL....just busting on ya!

Dam-it Muffins (Event) wrote:horsepower doesnt always cost money (or more so lots of it).....use your brain before spouting out BS.

for starters, basic boltons are what you are adding, and you can add a whole bunch, but its highly doubtful you are gonna add basic boltons and have so much power you CANT control it....

BE REALISTIC.


basically you plan to buy an intake and exhaust, and thats a decent start. so you are gonna spend money. unless you planned to drill holes in your stock setup.


if you plan to get a good exhaust, then obviously you are gonna gain power. intake as well. but guess what... to get something decent....YOU ARE GONNA SPEND MONEY.....





EVERYONE will know how fast your car is.... you;ll be the idiot making alot of noise, but when someone challenges you to race, you will either admit you are slow, or always back out....

this is what most people call posers...

EVERYONE knows your type. you make alot of noise to gain attention and make everyone THINK you are fast, but when you get attention you act like a puss and back out..


theres no such thing as "SOUNDING FAST" you're either FAST, or NOT. simple as that.


above you said

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but i dont wanna be the kid with the automatic "racecar" with the loud ass mufler

and then later said....

Quote:

i can punch it and i look fast, but in reality my 2.2 isnt, but joe shmoe doesnt know that.........so i can "sound fast" and thats just enough for me,

so basically you contradict yourself...

you dont wanna be the kid with the loud arse muffler, but you wanna try and fool people into thinking you are fast by revving your engine and praying some idiots on the street think you "sound fast"

its 2005 and 2 fast and furious movies have been out... if you think no one is gonna figure out you're making alot of noise and going no where, think again.

ya, im gonna backdown from a race, i dont know where you live, but it sounds like your living in fast and furious world, ppl dont come up to you and wanna race.........ive never seen an actual street race, even if my car was fast, im not gonna street race, cause i dont wanna loose my liscence, i dont wanna wreck, and i dont really wanna put myself or neone in danger. quit your @!#$in crying, just cause i wanna @!#$in make some noise doesnt mean anything, ya, i dont wanna make too much noise, cause my car is not fast, i dont have @!#$ to showoff, except some LOOKS, i want a muffler to get looks, calm your ass down, cause you know that you can sound fast..........you just too @!#$in stuborn cause you have the best coilover, you have the best rims, you have the best this and that and you know everything, cause just about every post i make your after me bashing my ideas, so @!#$ off.

jwagg wrote:ya, im gonna backdown from a race, i dont know where you live, but it sounds like your living in fast and furious world, ppl dont come up to you and wanna race.........ive never seen an actual street race, even if my car was fast, im not gonna street race, cause i dont wanna loose my liscence, i dont wanna wreck, and i dont really wanna put myself or neone in danger.

and yes here in the balitmore and DC area, street racing is pretty big. people race anywhere around any major city, especially baltimore with all the industrial areas. street racing is everywhere, you;ve prob just been to naive to notice, among other things.....

not everyone who challenges you will ask you to street race, quit eating the paint chips........ some will ask you to show up at a track, others will mess with you until you do street race em.... there are places that are legal to race all over the US.

your though process is as half arsed as your "i dont wanna spend money, but i want a good exhaust system." and yes you said those two things above. anything good, you are gonna spend money on.

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quit your @!#$in crying, just cause i wanna @!#$in make some noise doesnt mean anything, ya, i dont wanna make too much noise, cause my car is not fast, i dont have @!#$ to showoff, except some LOOKS, i want a muffler to get looks, calm your ass down, cause you know that you can sound fast..........you just too @!#$in stuborn cause you have the best coilover, you have the best rims, you have the best this and that and you know everything,

its not really about noise, its the fact that you ask for good brands, and then state crap like

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but you know what makes horsepower??? MONEY

newsflash... good brands, like magnaflow, borla... arent really cheap. especially in comparison to ebay crap. like said, you are gonna pay money. especially if you dont want it to sound like crap.


Best rims, dude my rims were bought second hand for 400$, and to top it off, i smacked one with a hammer, and also had to get a lug torched off. the finish has been gone, and i dont clean em but once or twice a year. ask anyone. i dont really care for looks if you knew what the F you were talkin about.

i dont have the best coilovers, nor the rims, i've just learned the hard way to buy quality things. and if i dont have the money i save up. i dont give exscuses like most on why i cant do this or that.... i just f-ing do it...... i used to half arse things like you do, but i learned along time ago. and sooner or later you will as well, especially when you start making posts about your suspension making noises... if it doesnt already, give it time. you already made a post about how crappy it was.... been there done that.

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cause just about every post i make your after me bashing my ideas, so @!#$ off.

dont flatter yourself, no one is after you.... contrary to your belief, you arent the center of my attention of even in the radius or diameter of it...if you post stupid crap, expect someone to say something. use your brain for once,
the crap you posted about "automatic racecars", "and i wanna sound fast"

seems you are the one in the fast and furious world.... reality is, you;re not gonna sound fast without ACTUALLY being fast. everyone knows who the posers are anywhere you go.

not to mention everything you asked is already posted http://www.j-body.org/forums/read.php?f=2&i=215434&t=215434 on exhausts.


the other post you made in suspension, http://www.j-body.org/forums/read.php?f=3&i=94032&t=94032 well if you cant deal with realistic views, like not riding on crap coilovers, with crap struts...

or the fact that you wanna try to "sound fast" but dont wanna be "the kid in the auto racecar"

right there you contradict yourself.... you want everyone to think you are fast, and make it sound like a racecar, but dont wanna be THE kid in the auto race car.

its kinda like someone saying they dont wanna be seen as a superhero, but that same person dresses up in a superman costume daily.




now theres nothing wrong with making noise, but when you add an exhaust, common sense should tell you, that you add power to the car by freeing up exhaust. if you want it to sound good, buy quality parts....quality parts will cost some money....


quit your whinin and crying...."you're after me, your bashing me, blah blah blah, whine whine.... you want a pacifier cause you got butt hurt online?...

you post something in public forums, anyone is free to give their views. deal with it. and learn to do some research. alot of the stuff you ask about, theres already posts right next to or under your own, but you just dont take the time to read it. and above all stop contradicting yourself.

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nevermind, maybe you just dont understand, i went elsewhere and found a borla catback exhaust for a lil over 200 after shipping, and a pacesetter header, hows that sound? i think this is a good choice after all the knowlage ive aquired from this post.

no i understand the difference between BS'ers and people who know what they are talking about and dont contradict themselves.


borla catbacks are around 400$ for our cars.... http://www.lmperformance.com/4399/23.html

so you might wanna check the quality, and make sure its a borla....if it isnt used already.

if its just the muffler, you def could have found it for less.




and you will def have to go "elsewhere" to find these parts, since this site, besides classifieds isnt really a purchasing site for certain parts...



now if you mean borla catback, pacesetter header, all for 200$..... then a red flag should pop up, cause the header alone new is 150, and the catback is around 400$... for a total of 550.


if its used, then check the quality and question the price.

www.sumitracing.com

is were i was looking, check it out for urself, my prices might be a lil off

jwagg wrote:www.sumitracing.com

is were i was looking, check it out for urself, my prices might be a lil off

ok above you said.....

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i went elsewhere and found a borla catback exhaust for a lil over 200 after shipping

a little over 200?!


<img src="http://www.angelfire.com/md/TOWSONFTBLPLYR/cat.JPG">

http://store.summitracing.com/default.asp?Ntt=borla+cavalier+exhaust&Ntk=KeywordSearch&DDS=1&searchinresults=false&N=0&target=egnsearch.asp


the price says 574.99$ thats not a little over 200....


the headers start at 157$

http://store.summitracing.com/egnsearch.asp?Ntt=pacesetter+cavalier&Ntk=KeywordSearch&DDS=1&searchinresults=false&N=0



like said, i dont post after you to "bash" you as you put it, but alot of the info you post is just wrong and not researched. a borla catback isnt cheap, and if you find it cheap, question is it really borla....

this reverts to above.... if you want quality parts, you are gonna pay money....