Ok i have an 02 cavy 5 speed with a 2200. So far i have a cold air intake and a catback exhaust, performance wise. I havent heard the best things about 2200s so im wondering what mods are good to do to it to get the best performance out of it. I want a lil more power to back it up. I dont know thaaat much about engines yet, im still learning. Im planning on getting headers and a high flow cat to complete the exhaust system. But any ieas? Any good way to get power besides nos and turbo? id like to turbo it eventually but i hear the 2200s dont handle it well so id have to reinforce ALOT. Well hope u guys have some good ideas for me! I wish i got the 2.4 or eco but i didnt think of it much at the time so im stuck with this one and when get everything out of it.
Jazer wrote:Ok i have an 02 cavy 5 speed with a 2200. So far i have a cold air intake and a catback exhaust, performance wise. I havent heard the best things about 2200s so im wondering what mods are good to do to it to get the best performance out of it. I want a lil more power to back it up. I dont know thaaat much about engines yet, im still learning. Im planning on getting headers and a high flow cat to complete the exhaust system. But any ieas? Any good way to get power besides nos and turbo? id like to turbo it eventually but i hear the 2200s dont handle it well so id have to reinforce ALOT. Well hope u guys have some good ideas for me! I wish i got the 2.4 or eco but i didnt think of it much at the time so im stuck with this one and when get everything out of it.
alot of the stuff you are hearing, is crap, incorrect info...
i know someone is gonna bust your balls as in joking around sooner or later, but you only have ONE header. but its good to reference "header" cause some people have been charged for two when they order.
to start... read
http://www.j-body.org/forums/read.php?f=2&i=215434&t=215434
those are the basics on these cars in a nut shell. theres info in that post all the way up to page 5 that involves the 2200.
also take you time and use the search button. theres a whole bunch of us including myself doing rebuilds on em and plenty of posts for you to learn from.
main reason why so much crap is said about all three engines is mainly because no one takes the time to read and learn, but then go tell everything they know which is usually incorrect and hearsay from someone with a bad experience.
a main lesson i;ve learned is KISS... Keep It Simple Stupid. its not calling YOU stupid, but thats just the term for it and what the letters mean.
it basically means if you dont need it. dont add it. dual exhaust, neons, etc. all the things that are for show are merely extra weight and no performance.
you dont need a 2.4 or eco as there have already been 13 second N/A 2.2ohv's
as it stands there arent that many of either engine doing that, so if a 2.2 can do it, any of em can do it.
you get what you put in to the engine.
lol i know its a header, just habit... thanks for the info i will look into that
dont belive the bad crap you hear about ohvs
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id like to turbo it eventually but i hear the 2200s dont handle it well so id have to reinforce ALOT. Well hope u guys have some good ideas for me! I wish i got the 2.4 or eco but i didnt think of it much at the time so im stuck with this one and when get everything out of it.
like event said you heard wrong...
the 2200 is a capable platform just like anything else
finish your exhaust, then maybe check out undredrive pullies, throttle body, ignition, crane roller rockers....
and if you want a real gain in power, have the head ported and polished
that'll be a nice power increase
Oyyci wrote:look at the HC pistons post, lol it somehow hot turned into a 2200 build post, i got a whole list of things put together and prices, check that out, NJHK is helping out alot! 
hope this helps ya
Thanks
Platcav wrote:dont belive the bad crap you hear about ohvs
Yeah, I hate how people down play the OHV because it comes with less HP and it's not DOHC. I personally have an ECOTEC and I can't stand the beef between motor owners. If you don't know by now that ANY motor has potential to be a beast (especially under boost), your a fool.
www.kronosperformance.com / 732-742-8837
I'll agree with what most people say in that the 2200 is not very powerful, and it's really the only thing I don't like about my car. BUT, this is the way I bought my car, and I enjoy being teh underdog.
Look around for pacesetter's 4-1 ceramic coated header. youll lose a tiny bit on the bottom end, but more than make up for it up top. also, what route do you want your car to go? performance? handling? looks? a little of each?
art- what would you recommend? an underdrive crank pulley or the reg sized lightweight?
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me... i am biased towards the reg size, light weight.
i know the 2200 is a decent engine, just heard it was harder to boost and has to have alot more reinforced in the engine in order to do so. And to answer land pirates cavalier, i have a few more things to do to the exterior, a lip kit and rims, for the most part then maybe small things hear and there, i have most of what i want accomplished. but other then that i wanna go all performance. i am planning on gettin ceramic coated headers and a highflow cat after winter hopefully (depending on how much skool is taking out of my pocket, just starting college..) i have alot of plans for this spring. after that i wanna go to the engine and start there. not sure whether to go all engine down the line or boost it. i wanna get as much out of this lil 2.2 i can over the next couple years!
not to mention i wanna beat ma mans v-tec civic!
Dam-it Muffins (Event) wrote:Jazer wrote:not to mention i wanna beat ma mans v-tec civic!
mmmmmmmmmmmmkay....
lol well said event. vtec is a great system, a truly brilliant engineering design. however too played out by kids thinking that vtec is like... boost.
I was a retard, and now I'm permanently banned.
I would do header, pulley, and call it good. Oh yeah, the short throw made mine a lot of fun to drive!
I'll have a sig someday....................
solid mounts... definitely.
I was a retard, and now I'm permanently banned.
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Jazer
Yesterday 10:36 PM
i know the 2200 is a decent engine, just heard it was harder to boost and has to have alot more reinforced in the engine in order to do so.
nope.. more lies made up by the DOHC crowd
put simply, if you boost on a twin cam you should
upgrade fuel system (including piggy back computer like eManage, SAFC-2, etc)
upgrade exhaust
use an intercooler
put simply, if you boost on an OHV you should
upgrade fuel system (including piggy back computer like eManage, SAFC-2, etc)
upgrade exhaust
use an intercooler
there's no difference... The OHV doesn't need any more upgrading than a 2.4 or ecotec would need anyway.
the only thing that would be different is boost will go a lil bit further in a DOHC engine because it has a higher volumetric efficiency
if all other things equivelent, 10psi in an ecotec for example should be about 250whp whereas 10psi in an OHV engine would be roughly 220whp
headwork (aggressive port and polish) will help raise the volumetric efficiency of an OHV so you can utilize that boost a bit better. might want to look into P&P as well
also, in higher boost situations(15 or higher), the OHV would be a bit more prone to detonation due to the spark plug's location and the combustion chamber shape... the DOHC would be a lil more forgiving as far as that goes since the flame front would move more evenly and prevent hot spots
TheFlyingSquirrel (PJ) wrote:
also, in higher boost situations(15 or higher), the OHV would be a bit more prone to detonation due to the spark plug's location and the combustion chamber shape... the DOHC would be a lil more forgiving as far as that goes since the flame front would move more evenly and prevent hot spots
True, but if you have a good shop P&P the head, they will also clean-up and polish the combustion chaber, to prevent the hot spots. They would also clearance the valves to improve the flow around the valves.
As far as the plug location is concerned, the stockers are already a projected tip design. This design put the tip as close to the center of the chamber as possible, for the best flame front.
TheFlyingSquirrel (PJ) wrote:Quote:
Jazer
Yesterday 10:36 PM
i know the 2200 is a decent engine, just heard it was harder to boost and has to have alot more reinforced in the engine in order to do so.
nope.. more lies made up by the DOHC crowd
put simply, if you boost on a twin cam you should
upgrade fuel system (including piggy back computer like eManage, SAFC-2, etc)
upgrade exhaust
use an intercooler
put simply, if you boost on an OHV you should
upgrade fuel system (including piggy back computer like eManage, SAFC-2, etc)
upgrade exhaust
use an intercooler
there's no difference... The OHV doesn't need any more upgrading than a 2.4 or ecotec would need anyway.
the only thing that would be different is boost will go a lil bit further in a DOHC engine because it has a higher volumetric efficiency
if all other things equivelent, 10psi in an ecotec for example should be about 250whp whereas 10psi in an OHV engine would be roughly 220whp
headwork (aggressive port and polish) will help raise the volumetric efficiency of an OHV so you can utilize that boost a bit better. might want to look into P&P as well
also, in higher boost situations(15 or higher), the OHV would be a bit more prone to detonation due to the spark plug's location and the combustion chamber shape... the DOHC would be a lil more forgiving as far as that goes since the flame front would move more evenly and prevent hot spots
thats a damn good summary....
MadJack wrote: True, but if you have a good shop P&P the head, they will also clean-up and polish the combustion chaber, to prevent the hot spots. They would also clearance the valves to improve the flow around the valves.
As far as the plug location is concerned, the stockers are already a projected tip design. This design put the tip as close to the center of the chamber as possible, for the best flame front.
well I kinda said that
I said wrote:headwork (aggressive port and polish) will help raise the volumetric efficiency of an OHV so you can utilize that boost a bit better. might want to look into P&P as well
my only regret is when I got my head P&P, I didn't get the chambers polished <stupid stupid stupid> I might take a trip back to the machine shop to have them do that...
that is a good summary. thanks guys for your help. makes me feel a lil better. im still learning about this engine and i knew u guys would know about em. im not gunna be boostin it anytime soon, maybe in the next 2 years. but i was plannin on doin a p&p before i do that if i can find a place around here that knows how to do a good job at it. just outa curiousity, how much am i lookin on spendin to do a p&p?
That's okay PJ, that wasn't really directowrd you. Most people dont think of the combustion chambers when you speak of P & P work, only the intake and exhaust ports.
