Hey everyone.
I own a 2002 Cavalier LS with the 2.2l i-4 and I am looking to upgrade in a year or less. I plan on putting a turbo on, and so far I believe this
http://www.jtuners.com/product_info.php?pName=22l-2200-turbo-kit&osCsid=4df5b202676f5d4bac19ac283cda7359 to be the one I should get. Now when I open my hood, on the top of my engine I see the numbers "2200" in large font. And I went online to do some research for this. Someplaces claim the 2.2l and the 2200 "SFI" to be 2 different things, and some to be one. My first question is: will the turbo I mentioned above work with my engine? And my second question is: what else can be done to it to increase hp to above and beyond 200? (but not by too much, I am kinda poor at the moment XD)
Also, my car is stock right now and has 115hp, if that helps any. Thanks!
well it says for both the 2.2 and 2200. so id say yes.
you can increase the size of your exhaust. 3 inch diameter. maybe add a shot of nitrous. build up the engine, new pistons, rods, P&P, new cam, etc etc
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After looking at that kit, I would say that it looks a tad bit lame. First of all, they are giving you 2" charge pipes and a 2" downpipe...a freakin 2" downpipe. Atleast they could supply you a 2 1/2" if anything, 2" is incredibley small and restrictive for a turbo setup.
Also, another lame thing is that it doesn't come with an intercooler. I mean, I don't care if you're running 3 psi, you're pushing hot exhaust air back into your motor, you need to cool it down. What's also a rip off is that they charge you $995 for an intercooler upgrade (or a stage 3 upgrade BS). I mean come on...you can find an intercooler for $160-200 and get someone to make charge pipes for you for cheap or buy the bends yourself.
Another thing I picked up is that there is NO type of fuel adjustment. There is no type of FMU, computer tuning program or anything. This is just setting up for you to blow up your motor. Even if there wasn't a tuning device, the least they could do is supply an FMU like most kits do. Newbie like youself don't know the importance yet of tuning.
Overall, the $2,495.00 you're spending on the initial kit is a waste. You could build a PROPER turbo setup for that amount. I'm building my own kit myself with everything proper, no cutting corners and my system will come to about $2,000-2300 spent.
I believe if you purchase this kit, you will waste your money and with the lack of knowledge, you will hurt your motor from lack of fuel tuning and lack of intercooling.
My suggestion to you is either find another kit out there that is more suitable or buy the parts yourself and have it put together (a custom setup). Also, ask LOTS of questions before buying anything, the last thing you want to do is buy parts that you aren't going to use or buy a kit that will not help you and will only hurt you in the future.
Before now, I never looked at the Jtuners kit for the 2200/2.2 OHV but now that I did, I highly suggest you DON'T BUY IT!
If you need any further help, you can contact me and I will help you as much as I can about how a turbo system works and what parts do what etc etc...basically help you go from being a Turbo Newbie to a Turbo Beginner. I'm still learning because there is alot to pick up about how boost works and how to maintain it but give me a couple months myself and I should be fully caught up.
Hope you take my advice. If you need help, contact me. Peace.
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Okay, thanks for the quick responses. If you dont recommend that specific turbo, than I wont buy it. Its a bit depressing
but what can I say, I know nothing compared to you folks. Actually, I have pretty much all but decided to
not go with any performace upgrades. I have realized that my pathetic 2002 2.2l i-4 115hp Cavalier has absolutely NO potential. Right now, upgrading such a worthless vehicle would be a waste of money for the parts and labor, not even mentioning the insurance crank ups. And for what? A juiced up Cav pumpin out maybe 200hp? I think not.... Oh well, I will have to wait a couple of years for insurance to go down, then trade 'er in. Any recommendations for cars between $8-1500 that wont cost me bookoo dollars? Thanks again
adding performance parts to a car wont drive up insurance. doing stupid crap like street racing or speeding will
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DaRkL3AD3R wrote:Okay, thanks for the quick responses. If you dont recommend that specific turbo, than I wont buy it. Its a bit depressing but what can I say, I know nothing compared to you folks. Actually, I have pretty much all but decided to not go with any performace upgrades. I have realized that my pathetic 2002 2.2l i-4 115hp Cavalier has absolutely NO potential. Right now, upgrading such a worthless vehicle would be a waste of money for the parts and labor, not even mentioning the insurance crank ups. And for what? A juiced up Cav pumpin out maybe 200hp? I think not.... Oh well, I will have to wait a couple of years for insurance to go down, then trade 'er in. Any recommendations for cars between $8-1500 that wont cost me bookoo dollars? Thanks again
Actually, contrary from popular belieft, the 2200 has just as much potential as most motors. Yes, stock it's a puney 115 HP but you have to realize why and fix those problems. There are people on this site with 2200s turbocharged running over 200 whp...yes, it's true. All you need is a proper turbo setup and hitting close to that mark is achievable. I say don't give up.
I didn't have a problem with the turbo itself, just the turbo kit. It's a lame kit for people who are new to boost like yourself and I'd hate for someone to spend that much money on crap and get ripped off.
Also, he's right, performance work won't raise your insurance.
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$2500 for only 5psi, your getting jipped, trust me. Find someone that can hook you up with a turbo. Fix up your engine and then get a turbo, for $2500 you can get a nice turbo that puts out at least 10, maybe 15psi.
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the kit was bult for the basic people that want more street power
the 2" charge pipes , help supply the boost to the tb quicker than a larger piping would
the kit wasnt designed to make 400 hp for a race car , it was made to make good useable power for a street car
and for that 2" pipe is plenty
[quote=97cavie24ls(JDM&00s/c sedans™)]the kit was bult for the basic people that want more street power
the 2" charge pipes , help supply the boost to the tb quicker than a larger piping would
the kit wasnt designed to make 400 hp for a race car , it was made to make good useable power for a street car
and for that 2" pipe is plenty
Ok maybe in this aspect, 2" pipe is enough...but if you're going turbo, don't half ass it. This kit will lead some people to damage their motor for not being intercooled, not knowing about fuel and it's necessity and the uneducated will be hit hard. Also, for that price he could have a much better setup that IS intercooled.
I think the only thing they got right was matching it with a T3 Super 60...
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If you have the slightest amount of knowledge you can build a JTuners Stage 2 kit (equivilant) for under $2000
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Spotabee Racing (The Fake Z24) wrote:If you have the slightest amount of knowledge you can build a JTuners Stage 2 kit (equivilant) for under $2000
Exactly my point
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or just get hahns kit, which is what i will be doing
Also I see in your reg under future mods you have "ECU mods". You do know you can't chip / socket / reprogram 3rd Gen J-car PCM's right? If you didn't... now you do.
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twiztedcav05 wrote:or just get hahns kit, which is what i will be doing
Very true...go Hahn if you don't have enough turbo knowledge.
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If you don't have turbo knowledge, you should not be turbocharging a non-factory turbo vehicle anyways. Turbo kits are not bolt on 100% factory-style reliable. Stuff goes wrong and if you have no idea how to troubleshoot, you can and very well may lose your turbo, or your motor.
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Spotabee Racing (The Fake Z24) wrote:If you don't have turbo knowledge, you should not be turbocharging a non-factory turbo vehicle anyways. Turbo kits are not bolt on 100% factory-style reliable. Stuff goes wrong and if you have no idea how to troubleshoot, you can and very well may lose your turbo, or your motor.
I agree.
The gain knowledge you need to ask as many questions as you can, do lots of research before you buy a product and bug knowledgeable people like Spotabee (Abe) as much as possible LOL I ask Abe tons of questions about turbos cause he knows more than me but I'm catching up nicely.
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NJHK (Sexual Chocolate) wrote:Spotabee Racing (The Fake Z24) wrote:If you don't have turbo knowledge, you should not be turbocharging a non-factory turbo vehicle anyways. Turbo kits are not bolt on 100% factory-style reliable. Stuff goes wrong and if you have no idea how to troubleshoot, you can and very well may lose your turbo, or your motor.
I agree.
The gain knowledge you need to ask as many questions as you can, do lots of research before you buy a product and bug knowledgeable people like Spotabee (Abe) as much as possible LOL I ask Abe tons of questions about turbos cause he knows more than me but I'm catching up nicely.
Thank god for Spotabee Racing
I was a retard, and now I'm permanently banned.
Spotabee Racing (The Fake Z24) wrote:NJHK (Sexual Chocolate) wrote:Spotabee Racing (The Fake Z24) wrote:If you don't have turbo knowledge, you should not be turbocharging a non-factory turbo vehicle anyways. Turbo kits are not bolt on 100% factory-style reliable. Stuff goes wrong and if you have no idea how to troubleshoot, you can and very well may lose your turbo, or your motor.
I agree.
The gain knowledge you need to ask as many questions as you can, do lots of research before you buy a product and bug knowledgeable people like Spotabee (Abe) as much as possible LOL I ask Abe tons of questions about turbos cause he knows more than me but I'm catching up nicely.
Thank god for Spotabee Racing
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NJHK (Sexual Chocolate) wrote:Spotabee Racing (The Fake Z24) wrote:NJHK (Sexual Chocolate) wrote:Spotabee Racing (The Fake Z24) wrote:If you don't have turbo knowledge, you should not be turbocharging a non-factory turbo vehicle anyways. Turbo kits are not bolt on 100% factory-style reliable. Stuff goes wrong and if you have no idea how to troubleshoot, you can and very well may lose your turbo, or your motor.
I agree.
The gain knowledge you need to ask as many questions as you can, do lots of research before you buy a product and bug knowledgeable people like Spotabee (Abe) as much as possible LOL I ask Abe tons of questions about turbos cause he knows more than me but I'm catching up nicely.
Thank god for Spotabee Racing
^^^ Shameless forum plug LOL
someone has to take responsibility for increasing your turbo knowledge
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