i just got my borla catback installed. good fit, just the hanger was the wrong type, so i had to get a new bracket for that. Other than that, it sounds great and looks great.

so anyways, i can feel a slight gain, but i was wondering what more would be worth it to do. right now i have an exhaust that i felt a small gain from, and i have no codes and no other issues.

so my question is, would it be worth it to get a header and a cat, to open up the exhaust a little more? i figure that will be somewhere around 300-330 in parts plus some for installation.

i know it will be difficult to get the rest of the exhaust done without getting codes and having no other issues. so is this work really worth it? if anyone has any experience, your advice will be greatly appreciated. thank you very much to anyone who can provide some imput.

Ecotec 4-1 Pacesetter the way to go.

For a little more midrange torque, Wepon R 4-2-1.
RK has the same design but for bout $100 more.

HAve fun

-M


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Oh yes! the header and cat are now a huge bottle neck and need to be replaced.




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Yes, you will not get the full power from just a catback. To me, on our cars a catback just makes sound. I would also suggest the pacesetter 4-1 armor coated header with a high flow cat. I would also throw a resonator on it or its going to be very loud and raspy. Unless you plan for a turbo I would do it for sure. If you stay N/A it will help and more so if you build the motor more with a p&p head, cams and so on. It will help even more with a S/C or N2O. I personaly like the 4-1 style better because I think our cars need more help on the topend plus its the cheapest header than any 4-2-1.


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Dan wrote:i just got my borla catback installed. good fit, just the hanger was the wrong type, so i had to get a new bracket for that. Other than that, it sounds great and looks great.

so anyways, i can feel a slight gain, but i was wondering what more would be worth it to do. right now i have an exhaust that i felt a small gain from, and i have no codes and no other issues.

so my question is, would it be worth it to get a header and a cat, to open up the exhaust a little more? i figure that will be somewhere around 300-330 in parts plus some for installation.

i know it will be difficult to get the rest of the exhaust done without getting codes and having no other issues. so is this work really worth it? if anyone has any experience, your advice will be greatly appreciated. thank you very much to anyone who can provide some imput.

Checkout the group purchase forum we have a great price on pacesetter headers.


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Dan, heed the good advice and buy one. I ordered mine through Aaron awhile back. Fitment was great and the price was right. Fast shipping too. And definitely pick up a high flow cat too.

So Dan, I take it you were able to get the Borla system installed and fitting properly? Thats good to hear. I would highly suggest getting the Pacesetter header. Get the Armor-Coated piece if you do, since its actually coated by Jet-Hot.. I've had my Pacesetter Armor-Coated header on my Cav for over 2 years and it still looks as good as it did when I installed it. And get a magnaflow cat to finish it off. The part number you will want to look for is 43035. Its the only one that won't throw a code on our cars.

yes do it, get a basic intake as well


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the header is a great buy, i got mine for x-mas and its beautiful. and for the cat a suggest magnaflow part humber 94035, that one is proven to work without throwing codes.


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you guys seem pretty enthusiastic about this, which is most definately encouraging.

baby gorilla, yeah, i actually got it to fit, but thanks for the heads up anyways, i appreciate it.

on the ecotec, if i get the pacesetter, there is a hole for the o2 sensor, so i wil not throw any codes. also with the magnaflow hi-flow cat, 94035, i will not get any codes, with both? thanks to everyone if you can help me at all, i really do appreciate it very much.

No, you shouldn't get any codes with that setup as long as they are properly installed.

I don't have any codes!

NOW ORDER THAT STUFF!!!

Me either and I also use the 94035 cat.


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Dan wrote:you guys seem pretty enthusiastic about this, which is most definately encouraging.

baby gorilla, yeah, i actually got it to fit, but thanks for the heads up anyways, i appreciate it.

on the ecotec, if i get the pacesetter, there is a hole for the o2 sensor, so i wil not throw any codes. also with the magnaflow hi-flow cat, 94035, i will not get any codes, with both? thanks to everyone if you can help me at all, i really do appreciate it very much.

There is a pre welded in boss for the stock O2 sensor to screw into. I dont know anyone who installed those items correctly that has ever recieved a code.



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oh, ok, i see, sounds pretty good. i've heard that you have to have the o2 sensor within 1/4 inch of the stock location to avoid codes and other problems.

you guys almost have me convinced. how difficult is the installation on the pacesetter header? i was just wondering, because i would have to have my buddy, who is a mechanic, do the install on the header before i got it welded up. midas does not really want to do a header for me.

thanks again to everyone with any advice or ideas. they are as always very appreciated.

Dan wrote:oh, ok, i see, sounds pretty good. i've heard that you have to have the o2 sensor within 1/4 inch of the stock location to avoid codes and other problems.

you guys almost have me convinced. how difficult is the installation on the pacesetter header? i was just wondering, because i would have to have my buddy, who is a mechanic, do the install on the header before i got it welded up. midas does not really want to do a header for me.

thanks again to everyone with any advice or ideas. they are as always very appreciated.

Install requires cutting of stock exhaust (directions from pacesetter states where)

Take off the nuts on the stock manifold

Pull out stock manifold

Put in place the new header

Install the Nuts to secure the header

Put the header down pipe over the stock exhaust just before the cat

Weld or clamp the header at the joint

Install complete

For a basic home mechanic i would rate it at a 2.5, 1 being easy 5 being difficult.




-Aaron
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Mine install was 3 hours for the header, cat and resonator. Not bad, go ahead and order then d@mn thing already.


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thanks again everyone, did you feel any gains from the header and cat? as i will probably be doing both at once.

also, do i need to do engine mounts at the same time as the header, or can i get away without doing the mounts?

thanks again everyone, as always your replies are greatly appreciated.

engine mounts are smart cause you'll probably have a solid pipe and not that flex pipe inyour exhaust anymore. some people buy a flexpipe(i forget where to get one) but if you have motor mounts you wont have any problem breaking welds in your exhaust.

I dont have pacesetter, but they may even come with the flexpipe. but what do i know. moral is. get some engine mounts as soon as possible, they help

The pacesetter has a ball and socket flex joint but I would still get MM's.


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They didn't install the ball and socket joint on my Pacesetter header. I guess it didn't fit correctly up to my exhaust. I have yet to order MM, but I will once I'm home from school. So far no problems and I've ben 1,000's of miles on since I had it installed.

Dan, you'll definitely feel gains, especially if you have a full exhaust. You then now have all the basic bolt on's that many people do. The fun has just begun, trust us. You will get addicted.

In all honesty, if you want big horsepower, just get a turbo kit. You'll be spending more and more money on all the bolton's yet you won't gain huge amounts of power. Save up for a turbo, slap on a 2.5'' or 3'' exhaust and you'll be set.

It all depends on what you want. I learned the hard way.

i dont have an eco but I would say yes to the header


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if you have the rest of the exhaust the header will be noticable. Of all my boltons, intake, exhaust, header, the header has made the most gains.

How I did it
1.) Exhaust
2.) Header
3.) Intake

so basically from back to front, I love it, and as soon as I'm ready to autocross in DSP I'll be replacing the cat as well.


-Chris

I have a '03 Echo. Installed intake first, then header and then cat/exhaust.
Did the header in my garage including the welding, about 3 hours.
Pretty easy i thought, intake was 2 hours and exhaust/cat was about 2.
I got the armor coated version of the pacesetter from Turbo Tech.
Only difference is that i re-used the original metal gasget, and it
worked great. I've had problems with the paper ones, just don't last
very long before leaking and the metal ones last forever. I didn't install
a flex, but the pace setter has the ball joint and it seems to handle it just
fine. I have about 2000 miles thus far, no leaks or broken welds. (even my
less than perfect welding).. lol
D.

SO you have a little toyota with a full exhaust or did you just spell Eco or ecotec wrong?


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