Can i put an intercooler on my 03 ecotec cavalier wothout putting on a turbo or supercharger yet? will it increase anything any performance with an intercooler with stock engine?
nope, if anything it will just decrease the flow of air into the motor, and possibly make it worse. just get an CAI
that would be dumb, and youd gain nothing
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the reason an intocooler is effective is because when you compress air you made it very very hot...... the point of the intercooler is to make those extreme temps alot lower... it still wont go as low as ambient temps though but it will drop alot. The way the intorcooler works is it spreads the compresseda ir very thing and outside air passing over the fins of the intercooler takes the heat out... thisout bossting the engine with an intercooler on there you will a TON of airflow... when the air is not compressed and forced through the intercooler it won't have much flow making it through on engine vacum alone and on top of that it will have absolutely no positive effect because the air temp on the sinde and outside will be the same..... so basically it would be like taking a 3 inch intake and making it into a 1/2 inch intake... not good
If I can remember correctly, the guys on Horse Power TV did a budget Civic build up some time back. They put a inter-cooled CAI on it. Don't remember the details but I did see it. But without a turbo it might get some bad feedback if you know what I mean.
it was not in cooled intake... its what people call an "interfooler" basically its a K&N filter mounted flat int he front bumber... thats the actuall intake meant to look like an intecooler, not an actaull intercooler
^^ are you drunk or something??? lol
but yes the filter is just designed to look like an intercooler, for those cool people with the fake BOV and turbo sounds from ebay
I found a civic rolling around my town with one of those. he tried to race me so I did. he pulled a gun on me and then chased me.
bad night.
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TORONTO CAVALIER wrote:is this a serious question.
Is this a serious response? Stop being a tool.
Basically what Darkstars said is all that needs to be said. He hit the nail on the head.
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Volumeking333(Ryan) wrote:^^ are you drunk or something??? lol
but yes the filter is just designed to look like an intercooler, for those cool people with the fake BOV and turbo sounds from ebay
I was a little bit hahahaha thats is hard to read this mourning....
I'll retype cause I couldn't even understand my own @!#$
The reason an intercooler is effective is because when you compress air you made it very very hot. The point of the intercooler is to make those extreme temps allot lower, it still wont go as low as ambient temps though but it will drop allot. The way the intercooler works is it spreads the compressed air very thin through the core and outside air passing over the fins of the intercooler takes the heat out. The fins work as a big heat sink and in the end drops the air temp of the air inside. Now on a NA engine with an intercooler you run into flow problems. When the air is not compressed and forced through the intercooler it won't have much flow on its own, it will rely on engine vacuum alone which more or less makes the intercooler a HUGE restriction when the air isn't compressed and forced in. And on top of that it will have absolutely no positive effect because the air temp on the inside and outside will be the same..... so basically it would be like taking 3 inch intake tubing adding a lot of bends for no reason, making it into 1/2 inch piping at one point and doing it all to keep the intake temperatures the same as normal.
That civic on TV... it was not an intercooled intake... its what people call an "interfooler", basically its a flat K&N filter (the direct drop in replacement filters) mounted flat in the front bumper... thats the actual intake meant to look like an intercooler, not an actual intercooler
Darkstars wrote:Volumeking333(Ryan) wrote:^^ are you drunk or something??? lol
but yes the filter is just designed to look like an intercooler, for those cool people with the fake BOV and turbo sounds from ebay
I was a little bit hahahaha thats is hard to read this mourning....
I'll retype cause I couldn't even understand my own @!#$
The reason an intercooler is effective is because when you compress air you made it very very hot. The point of the intercooler is to make those extreme temps allot lower, it still wont go as low as ambient temps though but it will drop allot. The way the intercooler works is it spreads the compressed air very thin through the core and outside air passing over the fins of the intercooler takes the heat out. The fins work as a big heat sink and in the end drops the air temp of the air inside. Now on a NA engine with an intercooler you run into flow problems. When the air is not compressed and forced through the intercooler it won't have much flow on its own, it will rely on engine vacuum alone which more or less makes the intercooler a HUGE restriction when the air isn't compressed and forced in. And on top of that it will have absolutely no positive effect because the air temp on the inside and outside will be the same..... so basically it would be like taking 3 inch intake tubing adding a lot of bends for no reason, making it into 1/2 inch piping at one point and doing it all to keep the intake temperatures the same as normal.
That civic on TV... it was not an intercooled intake... its what people call an "interfooler", basically its a flat K&N filter (the direct drop in replacement filters) mounted flat in the front bumper... thats the actual intake meant to look like an intercooler, not an actual intercooler
you know whats funny? Im hung over right now and when you first typed it up it made perfect sense to me. . .
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im drunk...its makes sense to mes.
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Nick Bautz wrote:Can i put an intercooler on my 03 ecotec cavalier wothout putting on a turbo or supercharger yet? will it increase anything any performance with an intercooler with stock engine?
Depending on the type of intercooler, you could gain alittle power, but more importantly... better/ more consistant runs. Ideal for bracket racing.
A air to air intercooler would slow down the incoming air too much, thus making the lower temp not worth it. You would most likely loose power by using this type of intercooler.
A air to water intercooler is less restrictive, and also creates a cooler intake temp. This would keep intake temperatures more consistant, and create better runs.
A air to ice intercooler is fairly free-flowing. It would create a cooler intake temp than the above two. This can be used with regular frozen water, or dry ice depending on cooler.
Aslongs as the ice has not melted, this setup works well imo. This has also been used for years. I know my grandfather had used a ice tub on his 66 Stang, and swears by it. He said his track times were slightly better with it. (Because the ice will melt, the intake temp may not be constant)
Nitrous is nolonger used for just spraying into a motor. It's cooling properties are being used by the turbo and supercharger fans aswell. Nitrous kits are available to cool a air to air intercooler even further.
With kits like this avail, NA guys (and gals) are using the same technology on their vehicle. By running a line similar to the intercooler kit, along a cai, the pipe and intake charge would be cooler. This has also been used on intake manifold. There is a 350 with tunnel ram in Winnipeg, that runs nitrous lines under the carb, and along the runners to cool the intake charge. In my opinion it works.
There are ways of cooling your intake charge, you just have to go about it alittle different.
Jcavi wrote:I found a civic rolling around my town with one of those. he tried to race me so I did. he pulled a gun on me and then chased me.
bad night.
I'd hate to live where you do
and intercooling an NA engine (gas engine, electric motor) is stupid and pointles, like those electric "superchargers"
Some times the best way to get that tailgater off your but is to light a fart.
Jcavi are you serious "rolling on the floor laughing my ass off" pulled a gun, why? Man I just can't stop laughing at this one, I can picture it now, he catches up then you speed off. He gives chase and you speed off again, man that's funny.
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^^^^^ yeah thats hillarious... its always funny when a random tranger pulls a gun on you. Just the though of that cracks me up
i actually did that back when my charger died and i was too lazy to change the plumbing.
the IC is a loss in terms of pressure.
X amount of boost - psi lost @ IC = psi @ TB.
So, you should never get to 0psi (atmosperic pressure)
unless you have some crazy IC that is not restrictive.
my car did not get out of vacume.. ever...
it was actually dangeroulsy bad, so i went back to the aem WAI.
been that way ever since... the IC is still in the bumper
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Extream 4door wrote:Nick Bautz wrote:Can i put an intercooler on my 03 ecotec cavalier wothout putting on a turbo or supercharger yet? will it increase anything any performance with an intercooler with stock engine?
Depending on the type of intercooler, you could gain alittle power, but more importantly... better/ more consistant runs. Ideal for bracket racing.
A air to air intercooler would slow down the incoming air too much, thus making the lower temp not worth it. You would most likely loose power by using this type of intercooler.
A air to water intercooler is less restrictive, and also creates a cooler intake temp. This would keep intake temperatures more consistant, and create better runs.
A air to ice intercooler is fairly free-flowing. It would create a cooler intake temp than the above two. This can be used with regular frozen water, or dry ice depending on cooler.
Aslongs as the ice has not melted, this setup works well imo. This has also been used for years. I know my grandfather had used a ice tub on his 66 Stang, and swears by it. He said his track times were slightly better with it. (Because the ice will melt, the intake temp may not be constant)
Nitrous is nolonger used for just spraying into a motor. It's cooling properties are being used by the turbo and supercharger fans aswell. Nitrous kits are available to cool a air to air intercooler even further.
With kits like this avail, NA guys (and gals) are using the same technology on their vehicle. By running a line similar to the intercooler kit, along a cai, the pipe and intake charge would be cooler. This has also been used on intake manifold. There is a 350 with tunnel ram in Winnipeg, that runs nitrous lines under the carb, and along the runners to cool the intake charge. In my opinion it works.
There are ways of cooling your intake charge, you just have to go about it alittle different.
That or you could use CO2. It would be a little cheaper than nitrous.
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